So, i'm reading about it on Apple's website: http://www.apple.com/macosx/refinements/

sounds like a lot of good shit. Especially this: "Snow Leopard takes up less than half the disk space of the previous version, freeing about 7GB for you"

I think 7 GB of hard drive space is worth the $30 on its own. I dont even get how installing an update gives me that much space but whatever.
Im sure some of you all are gonna upgrade. Any good reason why I shouldnt?

You know, we could all be reading a book right now.

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I've never upgraded an OS with Mac tho. I normally just buy a new computer when a new OS comes out, but this is cheap enough where I might try it.

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So I just wait until it's time for a new comp.

how an upgrade frees that much HD space? Does it remove the old version and install a smaller version? does it compress the files?

You know, we could all be reading a book right now.

So, in theory it could be half the size because they don't have data for a PPC version of Mail and and Intel version of Mail, and a PPC version of Safari and an Intel version of Safari, etc.

That's just a guess though.

You know, we could all be reading a book right now.

i have some old adobe apps that still work fairly well under translation.

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i can see the total size of the dvd being smaller because of dropping ppc, but actually on disk?

i think a lot of it has to do with moving from carbon to cocoa for the whole os, but i'm not sure

If you open a UB program in Rosetta mode on an Intel Mac, it'll run the PowerPC version.

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that you don't need (never needed to be honest)--print drivers and such...so you CAN get 7 (or more) GB free, but you also can get less--I've been hearing from 3-10 GB depending on your install.

They already dropped support for its two best features.

Plus a service pack should be free.

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You know, we could all be reading a book right now.

Of course nobody here wants to talk about all that.

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ZFS is the deal. I went to a Sun class a month and a half ago and was
amazed at the feature set for zfs. I'll probably be taking a zfs class
before the end of the year. For snow leopard, zfs would be sweet to
have but the majority of Mac owners don't run any type of raid or
lvm software so it wouldn't be used to it's fullest capacity.

Mac Pro owners running a multi-disk setup is a different story.

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It'll probably never come to Linux unless Oracle re-licenses it. We've got btrfs coming but that's probably years away.

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you have to manually enable it every time you boot.

for other (64 bit) machines it's not available at all.

Doesn't sound very top down to me.

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You can load the 64 bit kernel by hold 6 & 4 at boot up

To realize that I know more about this shit than you:
http://www.osnews.com/story/22009/Snow_Leopard_Seeds_Use_32bit_Kernel_Drivers_by_Default

nope, 32 bit EFI == no 64 bit Snow Leopard for you.

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I read that same article you linked and on my late 2007 Imac core 2 duo process the efi is 64bit, so I'm good.

I read another article that basically said if you have a core 2 duo and above processor, you should be good to go. The efi, as you stated is the kill switch, though.

To be, hate inspector numero uno, you are paying very close attention.
What gives?


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I read almost every tech article I get my hands on. Apple related or not. My Google Reader weighs a ton.

It's not my fault that I'm better informed than 90% of the fanboys out there.

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reader. Name some of your favs.

Inquiring minds wanna know, payne.

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Slashdot
Mashable
ZDNet
Wired
TechCrunch
ReadWriteWeb

shit like that. I just add different sites as I run across them and like some of their articles.

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>To be, hate inspector numero uno, you are paying very close
>attention.
>What gives?
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"So far, it's not yet known if Apple will enable owners of machines with 32bit EFI to boot into a 64bit kernel in Snow Leopard-final; Apple might offer an EFI update, or remove the artificial limitation. The same applies to MacBooks; it might be that Apple is planning on using 64bit as a selling point to drive people to buy MacBook Pros instead of ordinary MacBooks."

one question though - I don't really get what the difference is between a 64 bit kernel and running 64 bit apps. what kind of tasks would you see a performance difference on between a 32 and 64 bit kernel?

>one question though - I don't really get what the difference
>is between a 64 bit kernel and running 64 bit apps. what kind
>of tasks would you see a performance difference on between a
>32 and 64 bit kernel?

I don't really understand how they're able to run 64 bit apps on a 32 bit system to begin with. They might have some compatibility mode that lets the application address all the memory it wants but doesn't give access to all those extra registers a 64 bit machine has. That's an extremely naive guess though.

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The language at the end of the article is confusing, but the main point is that since you can run 64 bit apps, for most people, booting into the 64-bit kernel is kind of meaningless.

http://gizmodo.com/5343443/snow-leopard-currently-restricts-64+bit-booting-to-newer-macs

In the newest leaked build of Snow Leopard, 64-bit booting isn't enabled by default on certain older (though not that old) Macs, which instead boot automatically into 32-bit. The question: Is Apple backtracking on Snow Leopard's 64-bit capabilities? Updated:

As it stands right now, with the current build (10a432, which may be the final release), the answer ranges somewhere between "sort of" and "no." Essentially, desktop and laptop Macs will by default boot into 32-bit. However, you can force 64-bit booting by holding the 6 and 4 keys while starting up, and even if you don't, those machines will still be able to run 64-bit programs without trouble. So the restriction from automatic 64-bit booting is an intentional move from Apple.

Update: We've gotten some explanation from Apple on the issue at hand. The deal is, Mac desktops and laptops will indeed boot with a 32-bit kernel, while only the Xserve will be 64-bit. But this won't matter to the consumer. Our Apple contact explained:

***The 32-bit kernel fully supports 64-bit applications, all system libraries that 64-bit applications use are fully 64-bit, and 64-bit applications have a full 64-bit virtual address space of 16 exabytes available to them on Mac OS X. The primary benefit of a 64-bit kernel is to improve the efficiency of accessing over 32GB of RAM.***

As a whole, machines with lots of RAM (over 4GB) are more efficient with a 64-bit kernel, but even though consumer Macs will have a 32-bit kernel, all Intel-based Macs will run 64-bit programs automatically, which gives you the most obvious benefits. So really the only benefit to having a 64-bit kernel is if you've got 32GB of memory, a frankly monstrous amount of RAM, and hell, the hardware won't even allow that much. All 64-bit applications will run on the Macs with either Intel Xeon or Intel Core 2 Duo processors, so this 32-bit brouhaha is pretty much a misunderstanding.

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That list is old and with every beta update it added more models

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that's what i wanted to hear

for all MacBooks, even in the Unibodies. Check Nopayne's link.

>Plus a service pack should be free.

Do you refer to Windows 7 as a paid service pack too?

Anyhoo, I refer to Vista SP1 and SP2 as service packs. I don't refer to Win 7 at all.

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90% of the OS was rewritten so you get a faster Mac that will kick ass with 3rd party multi-threaded apps when they are written. For $30 its a steal. I wonder how fast they'll make a hackintosh from SL...

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let me try again.

It's going to be the shit.
It really is. The Apps will come. All the shit I do (graphic design, dvd authoring, programming, VMs, Cisco, SAP, etc) will kick more ass now.

Getting 8GB of RAM next week to strengthen the RDF even more, might even make another Win7 VM and keep it...to lay large loggenous shits upon.

That's more like it.

*adds 'loggenous' to 'learn spelling'*

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- OpenCL
- Grand Central

Start there and color in the lines. It's gonna be a sad day for High Tech if I need to switch sides cause the Appleratti isn't providing sufficient information.

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thanks for adding that on.

OpenCL and GCD means more arse kicking.

On August 28th, arses will be kicked.

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difference between buying a new comp w/it already installed vs. upgrading on a machine w/an older version.

>I dont even get how installing an update gives me that much
>space but whatever.

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snow leopard.

rawr.

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its funny that Windows 7 (aka Vista Apology)upgrade is priced at $219!! and $319 for the full version!!! LOL thats gotta be the biggest rip off all time..

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imagine you spent 200 bucks on vista ultimate and then have to spend another 200 on windows 7

well in that case you'd be spending another $600+ on a new piece of shit Dell because the one running Vista makes a beep noise and doesn't turn on.
Fuck Microsoft. haven't used a PC in like 4 years now. fuck Apple too but at least their shit works.

you don't know this, but unlike macs, you don't have to upgrade your OS to keep doing basic, or even advanced shit.

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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

are you insinuating that no one's going to pay to upgrade from vista because they don't "need" to?

edit - "have to" in my last reply was the wrong thing to say. I meant "have to if you want to upgrade", didn't mean to imply it was necessary.

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It is very zippy

This release might convince me to start saving up if it's lightning fast. I had a go on my brother's 24 inch intel iMac the other day and I couldn't believe how responsive that was.

I can see my 20 inch becoming a TV and music centre for my bedroom (it's still pretty damn great for those purposes).

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But I'm broke at the moment. I will in the next 6-8 months I reckon though.

Oh and I'm gonna keep it anyway. Use it as a multimedia hub in my bedroom - I'll fill it up with loads of videos and music, and then share it on a network to be used anywhere in the house. Frees up space on other computers and means I have all the videos and music I want in my bedroom. I can't imagine I'll get much money for it anyway.

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Computers be expensive though, and I have some other demands on my money - mostly cooking related. Still haven't bought a new comp btw, but I'm starting to put money aside, and will wait for the next set of iMacs I reckon. The recent new set had quite a few problems I heard.

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You know, we could all be reading a book right now.

instead of torrenting it. just pre-ordered. too lazy to download that 7 gb file on my shitty tier 2 DSL at home just to save 30 bucks.

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