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"November 08 NPDs (Wii winning)"


          


Playstation 2 206k
Playstation 3 378k
PSP 421k
Xbox 360 836k
Wii 2.04M
DS 1.57M


GEARS OF WAR 2* 1.56 million
CALL OF DUTY: WORLD AT WAR* 1.41 million
WII PLAY W/ REMOTE 796K
WII FIT 697K
MARIO KART 637K
CALL OF DUTY: WORLD AT WAR 597K
GUITAR HERO WORLD TOUR* 475K
LEFT 4 DEAD 410K
RESISTANCE 2* 385K
WII MUSIC 297K



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shit damn! i had the highest Wii predicition and it was still MORE!
Dec 11th 2008
1
niggas better start hypin Killzone now
Dec 11th 2008
3
i'm THIS close to getting a 360
Dec 11th 2008
9
      jump in
Dec 12th 2008
74
if the PS3 sold 4 times as many it would still be in 3rd
Dec 11th 2008
5
      need to come w/ bout a 200 price drop
Dec 11th 2008
10
           they DEFINITELY have to drop the price now
Dec 11th 2008
11
                resistance was out the whole goddamn month and didn't sell SHIT
Dec 11th 2008
12
                     its a dope game too, oh well
Dec 11th 2008
21
RE: November 08 NPDs (Wii winning)
Dec 11th 2008
2
wow. Nintendo is killing all comp.
Dec 11th 2008
4
^cant read
Dec 11th 2008
6
fuck you too (c) Akeem.
Dec 11th 2008
15
neck and neck? 360 sold almost 3 times as many as PS3
Dec 11th 2008
7
      edited. :P
Dec 11th 2008
14
           LOL
Dec 11th 2008
20
The Wii is just rediculous, My goodness. 2 mil??????????????
Dec 11th 2008
8
thats a lot of grandparents and youngsters
Dec 11th 2008
18
i still dont have a Wii, I feel obligated to buy one now though
Dec 11th 2008
13
there are no games...
Dec 11th 2008
16
      seriously. if they had some games it'd be a wrap qualitywise
Dec 11th 2008
19
           i mean zelda alone almost made me buy it right away, its really
Dec 11th 2008
30
                Zelda and Mario alone would be worth it to me
Dec 12th 2008
34
holy crap...
Dec 11th 2008
17
Wii > every competitors system sales put together?!?
Dec 11th 2008
22
YoY november percentages were all down for Sony
Dec 11th 2008
23
At the same time, the Wii actually costs MORE than 360
Dec 11th 2008
24
I think they remain content
Dec 11th 2008
26
nice redirect
Dec 11th 2008
27
      Oh, are they actually making profits now?
Dec 12th 2008
33
           they're definitely making money on the hardware and have been for a whil...
Dec 12th 2008
35
                When did they announce that?
Dec 12th 2008
36
                     lol
Dec 12th 2008
37
                          lol, except "spreading rumors" was just repeating speculation from
Dec 12th 2008
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                               They were as of early this year
Dec 12th 2008
42
                               I'm preetty sure that greenberg dude confirmed it
Dec 12th 2008
43
no one's buying a $400 console nowadays.
Dec 11th 2008
25
RE: Wii > every competitors system sales put together?!?
Dec 12th 2008
50
lol, it sold over a quarter of a million units.
Dec 12th 2008
52
      RE: lol, it sold over a quarter of a million units.
Dec 12th 2008
55
           You do realize it's gonna be a million seller by years end, right?
Dec 12th 2008
61
                RE: You do realize it's gonna be a million seller by years end, right?
Dec 12th 2008
63
                i think that's more because of a lack of software
Dec 12th 2008
64
                If that was the case, NMH would be a million seller
Dec 15th 2008
111
                     hmn
Dec 15th 2008
129
                          Why would they do that though?
Dec 16th 2008
143
                               sounds like we're saying the same thing in different ways
Dec 16th 2008
147
                                    Nintendo's "slow burn" is legendary
Dec 16th 2008
158
                                         I think its because their previous 2 consoles had the same issue
Dec 16th 2008
159
                Wall Street Journal: Nintendo's Wii Music Waits for Fans
Dec 15th 2008
113
                     Pretty much what I said
Dec 15th 2008
118
                          I like how you ignore that the game is complete shit
Dec 15th 2008
121
                               I was arguing about sales. Not the perceived quality of the game.
Dec 15th 2008
124
                                    oddly, i'm more concerned about
Dec 15th 2008
128
                                         Me too, which is why I own every system.
Dec 15th 2008
132
                                              lol
Dec 15th 2008
133
                                                   Nah, by all means, don't buy stuff you don't want or like
Dec 15th 2008
138
                                                        I don't think you hate the 360 at all
Dec 15th 2008
139
I'm about to cop a second DS
Dec 16th 2008
142
     
Dec 16th 2008
154
nintendo is like my avy
Dec 11th 2008
28
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^True^^^^^^^^^^
Dec 11th 2008
29
this wii shit is ridiculous
Dec 11th 2008
31
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p236/fernando_rocker/YodaWii.gif?t=12...
Dec 11th 2008
32
LOL
Dec 12th 2008
48
people people people...nearly 300k people bout WiiMusic
Dec 12th 2008
39
they've put the ol mojo on people
Dec 12th 2008
40
Wii Music isn't bad at all
Dec 12th 2008
54
game industry sales reach 16 billion in US in 2008? Damn
Dec 12th 2008
41
Oddly I think Sony is happy with its sales.
Dec 12th 2008
44
the only way you can think that is if you're an idiot
Dec 12th 2008
46
lol
Dec 12th 2008
49
Dec 12th 2008
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RE: Oddly I think Sony is happy with its sales.
Dec 12th 2008
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      it ain't spin if it's true
Dec 16th 2008
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The Wii has proven you don't need actual videogames to sell, lol
Dec 12th 2008
45
no, it's proven all you really need is one game and a decent pricepoint
Dec 12th 2008
47
      True. I just hope they build from it tho
Dec 12th 2008
51
      I'm hoping Madworld next year opens some eyes
Dec 12th 2008
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      RE: I'm hoping Madworld next year opens some eyes
Dec 12th 2008
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      ubiSOFT aint push it cuz its not Petz Ponyz or Imagine Dollhouse Realtor
Dec 14th 2008
99
      Madworld Holiday Trailer
Dec 12th 2008
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      RE: True. I just hope they build from it tho
Dec 12th 2008
59
      Maybe you guys can answer me this...
Dec 12th 2008
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           i think there are a few reasons
Dec 12th 2008
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      They have a good 5-6 solid games.
Dec 12th 2008
65
           and no more heroes
Dec 12th 2008
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           ^^^ this ^^^
Dec 12th 2008
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           people aren't buying the wii for those really
Dec 12th 2008
68
                you really don't think so?
Dec 12th 2008
69
                i would say they are for
Dec 12th 2008
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                I just can't see why it can't transition into being a PS2 plus
Dec 16th 2008
145
                lol so why are Wii's selling? Marketing?
Dec 16th 2008
151
                     lol. the problem is they're not
Dec 16th 2008
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                          GD != general Wii population.
Dec 17th 2008
164
LittleBigPlanet sold 141k, didn't make the top 20 (top 20 swipe)
Dec 12th 2008
71
wtf
Dec 12th 2008
72
That's why I was tryin to tell dude Wii Music was gonna sell 5 mili
Dec 12th 2008
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      it'll still be a shit game, just like wii play
Dec 12th 2008
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Remember when you said Rock Band for Wii was a bad idea?
Dec 12th 2008
75
you're lying
Dec 12th 2008
78
      You're like this dog here:
Dec 12th 2008
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           you lied just now, the evidence is right there
Dec 12th 2008
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                Foh. Almost exactly one year ago:
Dec 12th 2008
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                     that's the post i linked to you lying motherfucker
Dec 12th 2008
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                          Edit: nvm, see post 90 and 91
Dec 12th 2008
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                          No, *I* said that. He did reply with quote.
Dec 12th 2008
90
                               Yeah you right, I missed that in the original post
Dec 12th 2008
91
                               His brain RROD'd
Dec 12th 2008
97
                                    yeah, you don't want to talk about the post you linked anymore
Dec 12th 2008
98
                               post what I actually said
Dec 12th 2008
94
                          man gtfoh! You said they probably will, not they should
Dec 12th 2008
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                               RE: man gtfoh! You said they probably will, not they should
Dec 12th 2008
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                               lol
Dec 12th 2008
92
                                    yeah you're right
Dec 12th 2008
93
                               and......so yes, you fucking lied about what I said
Dec 12th 2008
95
I gotta tell you, RB2 not charting is perplexing.
Dec 14th 2008
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      it aint chart cause dont nobody wanna keep buying $200 games
Dec 14th 2008
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      it's too expensive and it's not immediately clear why it's better
Dec 14th 2008
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           I'm not sure that makes sense
Dec 14th 2008
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                read what I said again.
Dec 14th 2008
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                     and people forget its only been a year since RB 1 came out
Dec 14th 2008
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                     didn't stop the Tony Hawk juggernaut until they were five games in.
Dec 15th 2008
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                          show me the tony hawk game that came in a $180 retail package
Dec 15th 2008
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                               basically
Dec 15th 2008
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                               if you had to buy a skateboard to play tony hawk that fad woulda
Dec 15th 2008
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                               maybe I'm an idiot, but didn't the game get a disc-only
Dec 16th 2008
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                                    sure it does, but that doesn't mean
Dec 16th 2008
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                                         I like the new guitar much better
Dec 16th 2008
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                                         I guess I'm just not representative of GP, then
Dec 16th 2008
150
                                              Rock Band is an addiction for me
Dec 16th 2008
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                                              so you don't drop the cash on system and game
Dec 16th 2008
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                                                   You've said a lotta dumb things to support your arguments
Dec 16th 2008
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                                                        no, it just shows how little you've thought your statements through
Dec 16th 2008
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                     I'm not talking about the month it came out
Dec 15th 2008
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                          you simply don't know what you're talking about
Dec 15th 2008
122
ps3 down 88K from last nov
Dec 12th 2008
76
One had a price drop and one is made of win
Dec 12th 2008
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      being a $500/$600 piece of shit = poor PS3 sales
Dec 12th 2008
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           ahem. $400 to $500.
Dec 12th 2008
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                you're right, I always forget that. the piece of shit part was correct ...
Dec 12th 2008
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Wow. So I really do have to buy a 360.
Dec 14th 2008
101
there's plenty of empty promises to keep waiting for
Dec 14th 2008
103
Or perhaps PS3 just needs a price cut
Dec 15th 2008
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      lol
Dec 15th 2008
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           A dud that outsold 360 consistently until the price drop
Dec 15th 2008
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                LOL
Dec 15th 2008
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                     You're full of shit
Dec 15th 2008
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                          lol. you wish
Dec 15th 2008
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                               360 had like six winning weeks in the entire year in Japan
Dec 15th 2008
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                                    did i say the 360 consistently outsold the PS3?
Dec 15th 2008
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                                         You're a fucking moron, you know that?
Dec 15th 2008
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                                              yesssss, continue with this line of argument
Dec 15th 2008
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                                                   I get sick of arguing points with your dumb ass
Dec 15th 2008
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                                                        LOL
Dec 15th 2008
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                                                        LMAO @ Y\yall two niggas
Dec 15th 2008
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                                                             He started it!
Dec 15th 2008
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                                                             he never wants to change the subject
Dec 15th 2008
137
                                                             Except that's bullshit
Dec 15th 2008
140
                                                                  blah blah blah, says the man who stopped playing JRPGs
Dec 16th 2008
156
                                                                       Wtf are you even talking about?
Dec 16th 2008
162
                                                             i love waiting for who gets the last word.
Dec 15th 2008
141
                                                                  It's Spy Vs Spy
Dec 16th 2008
146
                                                                  Rjcc is hella persistent too.
Dec 16th 2008
157
                                                                  i think rjcc is hilarious they way he baits these guys
Dec 18th 2008
165
when I say everyone on my block got a Wii for Christmas
Dec 27th 2008
166

BrooklynWHAT
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1. "shit damn! i had the highest Wii predicition and it was still MORE!"
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and that PS3 number is low as hell. lol

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3. "niggas better start hypin Killzone now"
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cuz LBP and resistance are on the fucking failboat


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9. "i'm THIS close to getting a 360"
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Sony better bring some HEAT gotdamn.

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74. "jump in"
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i ordered mine on black friday, the 360 is nice. now they added netflix streaming and the fact as a mac user i can use rivet ( http://cynicalpeak.com/rivet/ ) to stream the stuff i download (i mainly use for video files but you can mp3s and photos too) to the 360. and oh yeah it plays games.

  

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5. "if the PS3 sold 4 times as many it would still be in 3rd"
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think about that

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10. "need to come w/ bout a 200 price drop"
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11. "they DEFINITELY have to drop the price now"
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with this kind of fail around the holidays with all their big software releases, they really need to drop that price.

  

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12. "resistance was out the whole goddamn month and didn't sell SHIT"
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and LBP can't even crack the top 10???


seriously?? outsold by bitchass wii music?

L.


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21. "its a dope game too, oh well"
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2. "RE: November 08 NPDs (Wii winning)"
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::Blinks::

Wii is a MONSTAHHH.. 2 milli in a month is stupid.. Plain retarded. And LMAO at the Ps3 'bers..

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4. "wow. Nintendo is killing all comp."
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fuck you niggas i'd have my glasses on. bitches.

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6. "^cant read"
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15. "fuck you too (c) Akeem."
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7. "neck and neck? 360 sold almost 3 times as many as PS3"
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14. "edited. :P"
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20. "LOL"
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8. "The Wii is just rediculous, My goodness. 2 mil??????????????"
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18. "thats a lot of grandparents and youngsters"
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all the "gamers" seem to already have one or already know to stay farrrr away from that shit

WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US?!?! NOOOOBODDDDYY!!!!

  

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13. "i still dont have a Wii, I feel obligated to buy one now though"
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just to conform and follow along with the other sheep

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16. "there are no games..."
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there are some GREAT 1st party games but the rest are subpar shovelware.

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19. "seriously. if they had some games it'd be a wrap qualitywise"
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30. "i mean zelda alone almost made me buy it right away, its really"
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the shitty online that is making me not want it at all...
no voice chat is wack.

i played some games online at my buddy's house, and it was so boring, i might as well been playing the computer... its really worthless in that area, and not worth (for me at least) buying one yet

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34. "Zelda and Mario alone would be worth it to me"
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but I got a 360 on day one to play Perfect Dark Zero, so you should probably take my opinion with a grain of salt.

  

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17. "holy crap..."
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22. "Wii > every competitors system sales put together?!?"
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God damn.

>Wii 2.04M
>DS 1.57M

I was WAYYYYYYYY off on the DS and Wii numbers. They ran away with this gen so bad it ain't even funny.

>Playstation 2 206k
>Playstation 3 378k
>PSP 421k

44k off the PS2 sales, 22k of the PS3 sales and 209k off the PSP sales. All did less than I figured, with PSP being the furthest off. Sony needs to step their game up.

>Xbox 360 836k

236 off the 360 sales. It did a bit better than I thought, and doing damn good if you ignore Nintendo.

>GEARS OF WAR 2* 1.56 million

That's what's up. This jawn was solid.

>CALL OF DUTY: WORLD AT WAR* 1.41 million
>WII PLAY W/ REMOTE 796K

I keep meaning to get this for the extra remote. I wonder how many copies they've sold.

>WII FIT 697K

I heard this is pretty good, but I can't see paying the loot for it.

>MARIO KART 637K

I hear this one is hard to find, which seems crazy since it's hella lackluster compared to the DS game.

>CALL OF DUTY: WORLD AT WAR 597K

Guessing this is the PS3 version, which makes sense. A third of the installed base = about a third of the sales.

>GUITAR HERO WORLD TOUR* 475K

Guessing this is Wii. The right third party games work on this system and will sell millions.

>LEFT 4 DEAD 410K

Zombie killing for the win! I hope Valve actually releases patches for the 360 version this time around tho or I may have to start boycotting them on consoles.

>RESISTANCE 2* 385K

From everything I've heard, I'm surprised this did so well.

>WII MUSIC 297K

Called that shit last month when cats were saying music is fail. Wii games have slow burns like shit. This shit will pop up on charts months later.

  

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23. "YoY november percentages were all down for Sony"
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it's not good. they're the wrong price and the economy is fucked up, people aren't buying that shit, it's going to be a real tough six months

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24. "At the same time, the Wii actually costs MORE than 360"
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and is killing it by a large margin.

Does MS come out with some brand new strategy to attract the casuals or do they just remain content with another second place finish?

>it's not good. they're the wrong price and the economy is
>fucked up, people aren't buying that shit, it's going to be a
>real tough six months
>
>FREE CHAI VANG!
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>YOU'VE READ MY FILE NIGGA (c) Jack 'Mufuckin' Bauer
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>
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26. "I think they remain content"
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They're selling boatloads of software and are still selling 360s at a very good clip. The Wii is just a phenom. No shame in losing the console sales to it if the 360 can keep selling at what normally is considered a pretty good rate and making profit.

  

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27. "nice redirect"
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#1 - they already are coming out with a new strategy. the NXE just launched.

#2 - they're selling software andmaking money

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33. "Oh, are they actually making profits now?"
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Have they even had two profitable quarters in a row yet?

(no snark, I'm just not sure)

>#2 - they're selling software andmaking money

  

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35. "they're definitely making money on the hardware and have been for a whil..."
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they mentioned in the npds that third parties on 360 have sold more than on wii and ps3 combined. they don't have to attract a new audience to keep third parties putting 360 first.

I dunno how many quarters that divisions profitable off top, but it is now, and they've cut out a lot of expenses.

Avatars, the Xbox Live Primetime shit and netflix is a pretty clear strike at moving to another audience, that they're not catching the Wii bowling ball 10 days in doesn't seem like a fail to me.

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36. "When did they announce that?"
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"They're definitely making money on the hardware and have been for a while"

>I dunno how many quarters that divisions profitable off top,
>but it is now, and they've cut out a lot of expenses.

Interesting. I guess we'll see because as far as I know they've only had two since 360's launch three years ago, which haven't come close to making up for the quarters they spent taking losses.

I compared them to the Wii because it seems like they'll need to put up Wii-like numbers in order to actually make money on this whole games venture.

>Avatars, the Xbox Live Primetime shit and netflix is a pretty
>clear strike at moving to another audience, that they're not
>catching the Wii bowling ball 10 days in doesn't seem like a
>fail to me.

I just think it's interesting that people were screaming "price, price, price" originally, but now that the 360 has dropped below the Wii, the excuses have changed.

  

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37. "lol"
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if you don't want to accept that microsoft is making money on the 360 hardware now, then it's a perfect time for you to go back to spreading rumors about the neXtbox.


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38. "lol, except "spreading rumors" was just repeating speculation from"
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games journalists.

I'm just asking you to show me these things because I don't remember reading about them. If you don't happen to recall where or when you heard em, don't worry about it.

  

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42. "They were as of early this year"
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This haterade article makes mention of it in the last paragraph:

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/has-the-xbox-killed-the-desktop-gaming-pc--494381

  

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in one of his five million interviews

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25. "no one's buying a $400 console nowadays."
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there MIGHT be a spike this month. Blu-Rays are selling and I saw many a PS3 go out the door while TV shopping last Sunday but seems at this point there is not real possibility of a catch-up without a significant price drop which will not happen.

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50. "RE: Wii > every competitors system sales put together?!?"
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>>WII MUSIC 297K
>
>Called that shit last month when cats were saying music is
>fail. Wii games have slow burns like shit. This shit will pop
>up on charts months later.

wii music is fail. look at all the other wii branded games (sports, play, fit) it wont even sell half of what any of those have sold. i doubt it will be in the top 10 again.

  

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52. "lol, it sold over a quarter of a million units."
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It's already not a fail.

Wii Play and Fit did similar first month numbers, and last months "low" sales of the game were only because it came out at the very end of the month. Wii Sports is a pack in here, and I don't know what the Japanese numbers of that game look like to compare.

It's ok to admit you jumped the gun, fam. It happens

  

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55. "RE: lol, it sold over a quarter of a million units."
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>It's already not a fail.
>
>It's ok to admit you jumped the gun, fam. It happens
>
>
nah i stand by it. its not failure like ET atari game but its failure. its like nintendos big holiday release its not some minor niche title. they expected ppl to like it or they could convince people to and its not working. no one wants to pretend they are playing public domain midi songs while flapping their arms. i think wii sports resort will be nice but no doubt wiimusic is the bad apple of the bunch.

  

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61. "You do realize it's gonna be a million seller by years end, right?"
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Like I said, Nintendo games have slow burns. Mario Kart Wii and Wii Fit came out a loooonnnnnggg time ago and are still in the top ten. Sony and MS *WISH* they had games with that kind of staying power.


This shit is gonna probably do 5 to 10 million when all is said and done.

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63. "RE: You do realize it's gonna be a million seller by years end, right?"
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>This shit is gonna probably do 5 to 10 million when all is
>said and done.

i would be really surprised if it does 5. yeah i know good nintendo games have legs but i dont think (never played it mind you) wii music is a good nintendo game.

  

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64. "i think that's more because of a lack of software"
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Mario Kart is a decent game so all the new people to Wii will continue to buy it and those other games that have been out forever because there's notthing new that's great to constantly sway their attention and money as opposed to the 360 which has new dope releases every time you blink.

  

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111. "If that was the case, NMH would be a million seller"
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People are gonna buy Wii music because your grandmom likes the idea of those guitar games but lacks the coordination to actually play them.

To the casuals, there is no software draught because gaming isn’t something that needs to be done every single night to be enjoyable.

I remember seeing a study where the “average gamer” only buys about two new releases per year. The Wii has been more than enough for people like that.

  

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129. "hmn"
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you think if there were a bunch of elite games coming out for the Wii all around the same time this fall like the other systems that you'd still see the same "slow burn" with their games that came out 9 months ago? Like if they released Wii Snowboarding or Ski game with a snow board/skis, a new Luigi track game with a running pad, a new PunchOut with glove sleeves for the wiimotes, etc etc all within the 3 months around Christmas, you'd still see games that came out 9 months ago doing as well as they are right now each month? I don't.

My point isn't that the type of games that are coming out like Wii Music shouldn't be doing well. My point is how many of those games that the casual fan would run out and get ARE actually coming out in abundance so that they're not reaching for older stuff. I just think if they had tons more of those games, we wouldn't see as many of those older Wii games doing as well so far from their release date. I know none of this matters to Nintendo cuz they're gonna roll no matter what. I'm just sayin

  

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143. "Why would they do that though?"
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>Like if they released Wii
>Snowboarding or Ski game with a snow board/skis, a new Luigi
>track game with a running pad, a new PunchOut with glove
>sleeves for the wiimotes, etc etc all within the 3 months
>around Christmas, you'd still see games that came out 9 months
>ago doing as well as they are right now each month? I don't.

It makes very little sense for one developer to put out a shitload of games in a small timeframe. They could have waited until fall this year to release Wii Fit, Mario Kart and Smash Bros., but why do that when you can spread the titles out so that they don’t step on each others toes?

Dumb ass business models that leads to multimillion dollar flops like Mirror’s Edge and Far Cry 2 (actually, I don’t know exactly how FC2 is doing, but I assume it’s not doing as well as it should be considering its quality).


>My point isn't that the type of games that are coming out like
>Wii Music shouldn't be doing well. My point is how many of
>those games that the casual fan would run out and get ARE
>actually coming out in abundance so that they're not reaching
>for older stuff. I just think if they had tons more of those
>games, we wouldn't see as many of those older Wii games doing
>as well so far from their release date. I know none of this
>matters to Nintendo cuz they're gonna roll no matter what. I'm
>just sayin

I don’t think that’s true. Mario Kart DS made the top 15 despite a SHITLOAD of good games coming out between when it dropped in 2005 and now. Good games stand the test of time and will keep selling as more and more people get the system.

Edit: Also, that last point is even more pronounced when the system sells well. 2 million some odd people got Wiis last month. That’s a HUGE chunk of gamers joing the Wii fold in a short amount of time (for comparisons sake, the 360 has sold 3 million this year. The PS3 about 2.6). Now, to them, everything is new. The fact that Wii Fit came out months ago is irrelevant since they couldn’t have purchased it anyway.

I’m sure a good amount of those new 360 owners picked up Halo 3, it’s just that because their numbers are nearly as big that it doesn’t make a huge impact. Honestly, I think the only thing stopping Mario Kart and Wii Fit from having broke 1m last year was the fact that those games are very hard to find.

  

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147. "sounds like we're saying the same thing in different ways"
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There's not a lot of dope new software for the casual gamer. So they can now go back and grab dope older stuff. I'm saying I see why Nintendo isn't trying to crowd the pool. It makes sense not to for them. So what I was saying is that if there were more top casual games out there, we probably wouldn't see older ones doing as well.
I agree Nintendo wouldn't flood the scene with more of those games if they can still sell the old ones and still sell 2 mil systems. Cuz it makes more sense for them not to. But it doesn't change the idea that if they did have more great casual games out right now, we would probably see the sales of older games take a decline. You even said the casual gamer buys like 2 games a year. And I believe if there was some new revolutionary Punchout, Luigi running pad joint out, or something to that effect those casual gamers wouldn't be reaching back for both a copies of the older games and the new tight stuff just released.

  

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158. "Nintendo's "slow burn" is legendary"
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Super Smash Bros. Melee for Gamecube was top 20 for over 3 years during last gen...they know how to keep games on that list for a while...Wii Play has the controller, it is the only reason its still on the top.

  

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159. "I think its because their previous 2 consoles had the same issue"
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Games weren't constantly flowing on N64 or Gamecube. Not since Super NES has Nintendo had a steady flow of great games for their system.

  

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113. "Wall Street Journal: Nintendo's Wii Music Waits for Fans"
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122930373918205685.html
Nintendo's Wii Music Waits for Fans
New Game Lags Far Behind Guitar Hero and Rock Band, but Creator Banks on Growth via Word-of-Mouth

By YUKARI IWATANI KANE

After years of explosive growth, Nintendo Co. is under pressure to keep up its momentum. That puts the company's creative chief, Shigeru Miyamoto, in the hot seat again.
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Nintendo game designer Shigeru Miyamoto, shown demonstrating Wii Music, says he isn't expecting it to be an immediate hit.

The legendary game guru, who was the brains behind Nintendo's Wii console and the creator of Donkey Kong, Mario and Zelda, is facing a disappointment this holiday season. His new Wii Music game, in which players shake the Wii's controller the way an instrument would be played, has been greeted with skepticism, even from loyal fans.

"It could be Nintendo's first flop for Wii," said Benjamin Schachter, an analyst with UBS Investment Research.

In an interview, the famously private Mr. Miyamoto said he isn't bothered by how Wii Music is performing so far. "I don't expect Wii Music to be an immediate hit," said the boyish-looking 56-year-old, who joined Nintendo in 1977 and now runs its game development. "It will be a steady long-running seller that will spread gradually by word-of-mouth."

Unlike the blockbuster music games Guitar Hero and Rock Band, which have sold millions of copies, letting players act like rock stars, Mr. Miyamoto made Wii Music an improvisation game that doesn't keep track of scores.

Mr. Miyamoto said his goal is to make games more than just a form of entertainment. Wii Music, he said, has educational value as a tool to teach music theory. In the game, players choose from 60 instruments to improvise and record songs like "Yankee Doodle" and "La Cucaracha."

Consumers have been slow to seize on the idea, though. The Wii console, which has sold more than 36 million units world-wide since its release two years ago, continues to outsell other game machines by wide margins. But initial sales of Wii Music, which hit U.S. stores in October, have lagged rival music games as well as older Wii titles. Wii Music sold 297,000 copies in U.S. stores in November -- half as many copies as two Nintendo games, Wii Play and Wii Fit, that have long been on the market, according to research firm NPD Group Inc.

Meanwhile, Activision Blizzard Inc.'s latest music game for the Wii, Guitar Hero World Tour, which was also released in October, sold 475,000 copies in November, said NPD, which tracks U.S. retail sales.

Nintendo could use a new hit. Nintendo President Satoru Iwata said in an interview earlier this year that his company has realized all of the ideas it had when it first conceived of the Wii. Nintendo's stock, which more than doubled in 2007, has plunged about 50% so far this year.

It took Nintendo several years to develop Wii Music. Like many of Mr. Miyamoto's games, it was inspired by one of his hobbies. He is a folk music fan and amateur guitarist. He began playing the ukulele in junior high school and bought his first guitar in college.

Other ideas have sprung from Mr. Miyamoto's personal life. The Nintendogs game for the portable DS player, for example, came from his love of dogs, especially his Shetland sheepdog Pick. Wii Fit was born out of his interest in fitness.


Mr. Iwata has asked Mr. Miyamoto to not discuss his hobbies since they can reveal future games, but Mr. Miyamoto let slip in a recent interview that he likes to swim and does laps in a pool once or twice a week.

Despite his low-key demeanor, Mr. Miyamoto's work has made him a global celebrity. Fans scramble for his autograph at public appearances and have set up Web sites and Facebook pages that honor him or his games. In 2006, he was awarded a knighthood for his contribution to the arts by the French government.

"He's one of the most innovative and intelligent people involved in gaming," said David Hinkle, a 25-year-old admirer who runs NintendoWiiFanboy.com from his home in the Philadelphia suburbs. Without Mr. Miyamoto's games, "I wouldn't have been so inspired and in love with gaming."

Still, Mr. Hinkle said he has been underwhelmed by Wii Music. "I know what Miyamoto was doing with the game, the demographic that it was targeting, and that the game was designed to introduce folks to music, but as a real musician myself, I found the game to be a little too basic for me," he said.

Mr. Miyamoto lives with his wife and two children in Kyoto, the ancient capital of Japan and home to Nintendo's white headquarters. He biked to work everyday until a few years ago when Nintendo asked him to drive for security reasons.

Nintendo declined to comment on Mr. Miyamoto's compensation. As of June, his stake in Nintendo totaled 100 shares. He and 12 other senior executives shared bonuses totaling one billion yen, or nearly $11 million, for its fiscal year ended in March, according to a regulatory filing. Mr. Miyamoto said one of his biggest worries is how gaps in pay between senior and junior developers could hurt morale.

Katsumoto Tatsukawa, who has developed games for Sony Corp. and Sega Corp., considers Mr. Miyamoto a god-like figure in the industry but said he doesn't necessarily agree with his approach. "His games are very high in quality and easy to play, but they also seem relatively easy to lose interest in because they tend to be shorter," Mr. Tatsukawa said.

Though multiple players can form an ensemble to play music in the Wii Music game, Mr. Miyamoto said the more interesting aspect for him is the ability for a player to record six separate parts to a song with different instruments and combine them to form an original recording.

"Traditional music games are fun as games, but I wanted to relay the joy of music itself," said Mr. Miyamoto, adding that he hopes the game will help spawn future musicians.

Mr. Miyamoto has proven critics wrong before. More than two years ago when Nintendo unveiled the relatively low-tech Wii, the industry was dubious about the console's prospects because it flouted the conventional wisdom that consoles had to be faster and more powerful than previous machines. Many industry observers predicted the Wii would be a short-lived fad.

Mr. Miyamoto said at the time that he found it an interesting challenge to return to the basics and come up with simple, high-quality games for the Wii that don't rely on fancy graphics or licensing of well-known athletes. "It's a good test of one's abilities as a developer," he said.

  

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118. "Pretty much what I said"
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>I don't expect Wii Music to be an immediate hit," said the boyish-looking 56-year-old, who >joined Nintendo in 1977 and now runs its game development. "It will be a steady long->running seller that will spread gradually by word-of-mouth

  

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121. "I like how you ignore that the game is complete shit"
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cuz that's not important

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124. "I was arguing about sales. Not the perceived quality of the game."
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I don't think the game's quality, which is subjective anyway, impacts sales as much as you'd think.

Hell, those Fable games both did great numbers and they look like shit to me.

Shit, I'm pretty sure Wii Music has already sold more than Forza 2 sold, and you think that game is great, right?

  

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128. "oddly, i'm more concerned about"
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what games are fun to play than championing platforms. weird how that works.

also, no.

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132. "Me too, which is why I own every system."
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and you own.......one?


  

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133. "lol"
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so I should buy (or rebuy) platforms that are complete shit and have games i don't want? k

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138. "Nah, by all means, don't buy stuff you don't want or like"
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but you seem to think I'm championing platformswhen that couldn't be further from the truth.

You call me a Sony fanboy when the PS3 is the last system I got, or you call me a Wii fanboy when I own the least amount of games for it. You think I hate the 360, despite the fact that I own more games for it than the other two and waited out in the rain to get it on launch day.

  

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139. "I don't think you hate the 360 at all"
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I think you say stupid and biased shit in some silly attempt to level the playing field.

I don't think this silliness carries over to your actual play any more than anything I say about the ps3 carried over to me being curious enough to buy one when I had the chance.

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142. "I'm about to cop a second DS"
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I want that Blue one...I may give my niece the white one.
Folks are jonesing for the DS too

Hey C.C what's the haps with the Wiitalk? I don't do animal crossing but the WiiTalk might be fun.
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154. ""
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You might want to hold off considering it will probably be coming sometime in 2009 (my guess is May).


> Hey C.C what's the haps with the Wiitalk? I don't do animal
>crossing but the WiiTalk might be fun.
>What sayeth the Chief? You're my guru up in here

From what I've read, it works pretty well. There's a Wii Speak channel that lets you talk to friends outside of games, so you don't have to get Animal Crossing if you don't want to.

  

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28. "nintendo is like my avy"
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nobody is buying PS3. The PS3 is the new GameCube.

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29. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^True^^^^^^^^^^"
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31. "this wii shit is ridiculous"
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i mean 2 mil in a month? that's amazing. personally i hate the system, but if people are enjoying it then that's cool.

the 360 did about what i expected for november.

the ps3? the bottom f*cking line is that nobody is paying 4-500 dollars for a damn game system. point blank period. people don't care that it does blu-ray and people sure as shit don't care that you bundled a game with it (a year old one at that). no matter what, its still 500 dollars.

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32. "http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p236/fernando_rocker/YodaWii.gif?t=12..."
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http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p236/fernando_rocker/YodaWii.gif?t=1229044095

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48. "LOL"
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haha @ that rrod detail

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39. "people people people...nearly 300k people bout WiiMusic"
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THAT is the news here; that Nintendo convinced over a quarter of a million people to buy a "game" where you just swing your arms randomly for music from old nintendo games (no license fee to pay) to play. Can you believe this shit.

  

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40. "they've put the ol mojo on people"
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cuz even Wii fit is kinda blah. There's no new Mario or anything right now and it's selling 2mil? People are completely brainwashed.

  

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54. "Wii Music isn't bad at all"
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I actually rented it for a week and enjoyed it a lot. I took it back because I am a perfectionist, and play sessions ended up too long.

It's a good game... I would definitely buy Wii Music 2 if it's made for Motion+ and has a better editing system.

  

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41. "game industry sales reach 16 billion in US in 2008? Damn"
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44. "Oddly I think Sony is happy with its sales."
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When you got 3 systems on the market the combined sales per month cant be that disappointing.

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46. "the only way you can think that is if you're an idiot"
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there's no logical argument that says "well if we add them all together we're doing great"

why don't you just add in all the TVs they sold, and all the copies of windows microsoft sold too?

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49. "lol"
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53. ""
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But yeah, the fact that they’re STILL moving PS2s years after MS and Nintendo’s older systems have been dead and buried is impressive.

The crazy shit is, they’re still dropping great games for PS2. We got Yakuza 2 and Persona 4 this year, which are both great games and in a lot of people’s top tens.

Also, the PSP sales are also pretty impressive considering the system has practically been abandoned by Sony and everyone else.

  

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56. "RE: Oddly I think Sony is happy with its sales."
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>When you got 3 systems on the market the combined sales per
>month cant be that disappointing.

this is that spm spin

  

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163. "it ain't spin if it's true"
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45. "The Wii has proven you don't need actual videogames to sell, lol"
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Kudos to Nintendo.

Ideally im hoping they take the money and work on developing new IP's, helping third parties get up to par, and pushing innovation not only in ideas but in technology...

Who am I kidding. They are doing cocaine lines off stripper titties and throwing sake on hoes.

  

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47. "no, it's proven all you really need is one game and a decent pricepoint"
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and it goes viral from there.

wii sports is a fun, one, game.

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51. "True. I just hope they build from it tho"
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The DS is where imho Nintendo should be going. Thats where they have everyone: the casual gamers, the nintendo fanboys, the hardcore gamers.

It's kinda sad how bad the Wii is doing as far as actual content is concerned, especially since it's been whupping ass long enough for developers to catch up.

  

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57. "I'm hoping Madworld next year opens some eyes"
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and expands that demographic that No More Heroes was trying to capture

speaking of which

I also read that NMH2 is currently planned, and with a bigger budget
with Suda 51 at the helm with real production values, it's scary to think about what type of potential he can come up with

  

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58. "RE: I'm hoping Madworld next year opens some eyes"
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>and expands that demographic that No More Heroes was trying
>to capture

Madworld should be nice and i think sega will push it. ubisoft didnt push NMH at all. Also the new house of the dead game from sega looks nice as well

>speaking of which
>
>I also read that NMH2 is currently planned, and with a bigger
>budget
>with Suda 51 at the helm with real production values, it's
>scary to think about what type of potential he can come up
>with

yeah its slated for early 2010. from what i read he is writing the script and overseeing it but another guy who he works with and worked on NMH will be involved in day to day stuff because suda is so busy. but yeah i cant wait

  

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99. "ubiSOFT aint push it cuz its not Petz Ponyz or Imagine Dollhouse Realtor"
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or some lame shit like that

sheeeeit

  

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96. "Madworld Holiday Trailer"
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http://www.gametrailers.com/player/43668.html

  

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59. "RE: True. I just hope they build from it tho"
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>The DS is where imho Nintendo should be going. Thats where
>they have everyone: the casual gamers, the nintendo fanboys,
>the hardcore gamers.
>
>It's kinda sad how bad the Wii is doing as far as actual
>content is concerned, especially since it's been whupping ass
>long enough for developers to catch up.

i thought this year would be better like no more heroes and mario kart are awesome but after those im not sure what else. nintendo needs 3rd parties to put their good team on a game and really try to make something rather then throw anything out there to help fund there HD games. but now nintendo is running away with it they might not make the effort. i did read on neogaf (not much of the actual thread though) that dragon quest 10 will be for the wii so maybe that will have some impact not sure

  

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60. "Maybe you guys can answer me this..."
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Why the hell don't the 3rd parties make some games that are up to par on the Wii. I don't want to hear no crying about it's not powerful enough either. I think you could do some things with this machine...maybe not on a 360 or PS3 level but INNOVATE gosh darn it!

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62. "i think there are a few reasons"
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nintendo - nintendo is known for being kind of a bitch to deal with regarding 3rd parties. prewii they said they were trying to make an effort to work with third parties but i dont know if thats happening since they are kicking ass so much.

wiisports - wiisports was most peoples first introduction to the wii and its a glorified tech demo. its fun but its very bare bones graphically and i think some companies saw that and said we dont have to get good graphics for the wii their audience will put up with whatever. also after wii sports everyone got the same idea that hey i know our wii game can be a mini game compilation just like wii sports. so after it fails because it wasnt near as good the companies go well only nintendo games sell on the wii we shouldnt bother instead of trying to make a quality game

controller - its different although im happy playing in on its side like an old school NES controller companies feel they should shoehorn motion into there games or cant figure out how to add motion into them.

lazy companies - some (such as ubisoft) view the wii as a way to make money to fund their HD games. they know they can put some junk out and since its little development costs they make good money on a game thats not a top seller.


  

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65. "They have a good 5-6 solid games."
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Kart
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Fit
Galaxy
Zelda
Smash Bros.

Maybe not for OKP but those are all smash hits.

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66. "and no more heroes"
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not a smash hit (although its suda 51's highest selling game ever) but worth a mention as far as good games on the wii

  

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67. "^^^ this ^^^"
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I can't finish a game to save my life (still got like one level to go on RE4), but I finished NMH because that shit was so compelling.

  

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68. "people aren't buying the wii for those really"
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69. "you really don't think so?"
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legit question

not saying anyone here would, but I can see all of those games being system sellers (except sports obviously)

the nostalgia that goes back for all of those games hits hard for a lot of the older folks out there, not to mention all of them have been pretty highly rated in the industry in general

  

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70. "i would say they are for"
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wiifit, smash bros and mario kart

galaxy and zelda arent system sellers now but both were at one time

  

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145. "I just can't see why it can't transition into being a PS2 plus"
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You still have hit games like Persona 4 being released for the PS2.

There is no technological or developmental reason why it can't be on the Wii.

It's just that they found themselves in a position where if it's not a family party game, it's going to flop.

Which is a shame, because it's got a few things going for it. It might not never be a HD online powerhouse, but it's got enough juice behind it to have a much more respectable showing game wise then it is.

  

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151. "lol so why are Wii's selling? Marketing?"
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They're fun for everyone EXCEPT hardcore gamers.

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152. "lol. the problem is they're not"
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people buy wii's and don't use em.

check gd right now for the "it's gathering dust" "I don't know where my wii is" posts

yes, it's marketing.

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164. "GD != general Wii population."
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Wiis are selling AND Wii games are selling.

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71. "LittleBigPlanet sold 141k, didn't make the top 20 (top 20 swipe)"
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http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21514

also telling: Rock Band charted for the wii, but RB2 didn't chart for anything

ps3 didn't have another game in the top 20 after resistance

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72. "wtf"
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MK for DS charted 3 years after it's release!?!?!

  

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73. "That's why I was tryin to tell dude Wii Music was gonna sell 5 mili"
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Nintendo games sell forever. That shit is gonna be chartin next year just like Wii Play keeps charting every month.

  

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82. "it'll still be a shit game, just like wii play"
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even your mangod shane is pissed at the wii. he almost broke down crying on 1up yours because he remembered 10 years ago the dreamcast had better graphics

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75. "Remember when you said Rock Band for Wii was a bad idea?"
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Yeah, you're a moron. lol.

  

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78. "you're lying"
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I said they should make it

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=11&topic_id=129896&mesg_id=129896&page=7#129911

and yeah its in the top 20....now that they had hella firesales to get rid of all the expensive bundles they had laying around because it cost more than people wanted to pay for a wii game.

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80. "You're like this dog here:"
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http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ae21414a63/death-metal-puppy-from-that-happened

Acting like you're saying something, but you aren't and even if you were you wouldn't really be saying anything.

That's how it is every time you say I'm lying about something.

  

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81. "you lied just now, the evidence is right there"
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and so you'll continue telling that lie every time. i don't know why you lie, but you do.

hopefully it makes you feel better to claim I said things I didn't say, repeatedly

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83. "Foh. Almost exactly one year ago:"
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Chief: They should make Rock Band for the Wii
RJ: Rock band costs half as much as the Wii costs
Chief: But they're making it for PS2
RJ: But PS2 has a higher tie in ratio

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85. "that's the post i linked to you lying motherfucker"
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so if anyone clicks it they can see what I said, that you left out because it doesn't make you feel like a winner.

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87. "Edit: nvm, see post 90 and 91"
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...

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90. "No, *I* said that. He did reply with quote."
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I wasn't being sarcastic. There SHOULD be hip-hop in those games. I don't like rock enough to fuck with a game of nothing but rock.

There was another post about how Rock Band/Guitar Hero should have different genres of music and his ass was hatin in that post too.

  

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91. "Yeah you right, I missed that in the original post"
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I dunno what RJ is on right now
he caught amnesia

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97. "His brain RROD'd"
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98. "yeah, you don't want to talk about the post you linked anymore"
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cuz that's good and done

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94. "post what I actually said"
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yeah, you're a fucking liar.

so now you're going to say I didn't go to EA and request they make a rock band game for wii, I just assumed they would do it eventually and it wouldn't sell incredibly well because of the price and I was right?

OMG I LOST TOTAL because people bought the game enough once the price was dropped to an insane level because of overstock that it came back into the top 20 !!!!!!

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88. "man gtfoh! You said they probably will, not they should"
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and you were in there coppin pleas about how PS2 has more systems and it costs half what the Wii costs and other nonsense.

  

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89. "RE: man gtfoh! You said they probably will, not they should"
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he did say they should
he just said it while rolling his eyes and being sarcastic

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92. "lol"
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i'm slow.

i thought that shit said member since 12-08-2008. I'm all explaining dumb shit.

  

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93. "yeah you're right"
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the lack of the > sign threw me off

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95. "and......so yes, you fucking lied about what I said"
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thank you


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100. "I gotta tell you, RB2 not charting is perplexing."
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I'm kinda confused on that one. Are people getting burned out, or are there just so many good songs on RB1 that folks just don't feel pressed to get RB2?

fka nope

  

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102. "it aint chart cause dont nobody wanna keep buying $200 games"
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they need to burn on them expansion packs for like 2 or 3 years and then come out like gangbusters w/ a whole new setup. cause buying RB is like investing in a console.

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104. "it's too expensive and it's not immediately clear why it's better"
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105. "I'm not sure that makes sense"
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I mean, if you just duplicate the fanbase from the first one, that should make it chart, right?

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106. "read what I said again."
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and it did chart, in the month it actually launched, please pay attention before doing analysis.


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107. "and people forget its only been a year since RB 1 came out"
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117. "didn't stop the Tony Hawk juggernaut until they were five games in."
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fka nope

  

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123. "show me the tony hawk game that came in a $180 retail package"
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has getting married killed your last brain cell?

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125. "basically"
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130. "if you had to buy a skateboard to play tony hawk that fad woulda"
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been over by the second one, which is why their game next year might owkr once, but it won't work twice.

rock band 2 needed to price drop on the instruments.

while chief is crowing about wii sales, he's of course ignoring that was the version on sale at a bunch of black friday spots. hopefully this week's toysrus sale is just a beginning, the regular price should not be over 120

I know way too many people who love the game, then they find out how much it costs + a system and say fuckthat.

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144. "maybe I'm an idiot, but didn't the game get a disc-only"
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release, also?

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148. "sure it does, but that doesn't mean"
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people who already spent 180 want to spend 60 more when....wait for it....it's not immediately clear what the improvement is, and/or their instruments from the first one were faulty as hell.


it's not an automatic sale at all

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149. "I like the new guitar much better"
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it's still not perfect but its an improvement. I be killing some tough songs now.

  

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150. "I guess I'm just not representative of GP, then"
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Because it's obvious to me that the drums are better, and if I had my box still, I'd be on that 60 disc in a heartbeat to be able to play all my old shit AND the new shit.

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153. "Rock Band is an addiction for me"
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I was checking my dlc the other day and I realized I've downloaded 108 songs. I be looking forward to Tuesdays. As a matter of fact I gotta check to see what new stuff dropped for download today. Best party game created.

  

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155. "so you don't drop the cash on system and game"
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but you think the majority of other people will


you don't see the disconnect here?

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160. "You've said a lotta dumb things to support your arguments"
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but that one ranks pretty high.

I mean, by saying that, I should be completely floored that games are selling at all, since I own none. Instead, I'm puzzled as to why a particular game isn't selling as well as others.

Of course, the stupidity of your statement could've been prevented if you had bothered to wonder WHY I don't have a game system right now.

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116. "I'm not talking about the month it came out"
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I'm talking about the month where the Christmas shopping starts. We're talking about November, right? Yeah? Just checking.

People are buying right now. It's the sequel to a very popular game, with improved instruments and more songs. My analysis is fine, it's just contradictory to yours. I read you you wrote, you piece of shit, I simply don't grant your premise.

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122. "you simply don't know what you're talking about"
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hence your confusion

you can curse and spin up a storm, but it doesn't change those facts

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76. "ps3 down 88K from last nov"
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Playstation 3: 466K / 378K = -88K

meanwhile the other 2 are way up

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77. "One had a price drop and one is made of win"
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No price drop + layoffs + plus people shook of layoffs = poor PS3 sales.

  

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79. "being a $500/$600 piece of shit = poor PS3 sales"
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84. "ahem. $400 to $500."
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86. "you're right, I always forget that. the piece of shit part was correct ..."
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101. "Wow. So I really do have to buy a 360."
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The PS3 really is a dud.

Wow.

I thought it was just one of those "its a matter of
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103. "there's plenty of empty promises to keep waiting for"
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you can wait for home to come out of beta

killzone will come out in what, february?

there's the "secret bbc game" some journalist swore he saw that will blow everyone away that has never been shown

littlebigplanet2?

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108. "Or perhaps PS3 just needs a price cut"
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Since it was outselling the 360 pretty consistently until the 360 had a price cut.

  

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109. "lol"
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when the 360 had been a long time without a price cut, and there were $100 off coupons at the nations largest retailer, and one of the biggest exclusives came out that had been long awaited, it did outsell the 360 in some months

it is a dud.

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110. "A dud that outsold 360 consistently until the price drop"
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and continues to outsell 360 everywhere outside of the US?

Yeah, it's a dud.

  

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112. "LOL"
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except that it's not outselling the 360 in europe and it hasn't even outsold the 360 consistently in Japan this year.

but you crow over a narrow, inconsistent gap over much of the year when the above described situations were in effect. the PS3 is just playing posssum that's all.

see you again next year for the same thing alll, over, again

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114. "You're full of shit"
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> it hasn't even outsold the 360 consistently in Japan this year.

  

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115. "lol. you wish"
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119. "360 had like six winning weeks in the entire year in Japan"
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and it didn't consistently....actually, why am I even arguing with you? You're crazy.

  

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120. "did i say the 360 consistently outsold the PS3?"
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no you nonreading sonofabitch.

now go invent another lie about some shit I didn't say.

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126. "You're a fucking moron, you know that?"
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I swear you an iboycottedIMDB are the same person.

  

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127. "yesssss, continue with this line of argument"
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it makes the things you've said true. (it doesn't, but it does make you look even sillier)

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131. "I get sick of arguing points with your dumb ass"
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since you'll just go and say "I didn't say that!" when you can scroll up two inches and see that, yes, you in fact did say that.

Apparently you took this "and it didn't consistently" to mean I was talking about 360, which if you use something called context clues, you would have never done. The "it" in that sentence was the PS3, which you were implying hadn't consistently outsold the 360 in Japan (which it most certainly did). This complete and utter rejection of reality on your part rendered me speechless and befuddled, and that you would then try to twist the sentence in your head so that it appeared I was saying that you said the 360 constantly outsold the PS3 in Japan made me say "Fuck it. No more."

You're full of shit, you're reading skills are poor, and you continue to go off half cocked on topics you simply don't understand. Furthermore, your misunderstandings spur ridiculously long posts and involve me wasting time.

  

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134. "LOL"
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ok, sure, you never mention the PS3 by name, you just say the 360, and "it". go runtelldat to your local english teacher and ask them what "it" is.

we'll talk reading comprehension, and how you're a lying sack of shit trying to cover his tracks, later.

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135. "LMAO @ Y\yall two niggas"
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yall been doing this shit for years it seems.

  

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136. "He started it!"
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137. "he never wants to change the subject"
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cuz the details -- the PS3 sucks, the Wii is for grandmas who play twice a year and kids who don't know any better -- haven't changed

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140. "Except that's bullshit"
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Between Metal Gear, Little Big Planet, Burnout, HDR, Pixel Junk Monsters, GTAIV and WipEout, I played my PS3 way more than the 360.

Hell, the only reason 360 is even remotely close is because of Mass Effect's loading screens.

  

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156. "blah blah blah, says the man who stopped playing JRPGs"
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when they stopped coming out on Sony platforms

your taste is going to be "whatever I have to claim it is to make my argument sound good"

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162. "Wtf are you even talking about?"
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The RPGs I've sunk the most time into have been on Nintendo platforms (Pokémon, FFT Advance, Advance Wars, etc.).

If you're talking about me and next gen JRPGs, well, there haven't been any particularly good ones until Valkyria Chronicles. Tales of Vesperia got a metacritic of 81, but why play that when there's Valkyria Chronicles (86) and Persona 4 (93), not to mention a ton of great JRPGs I haven't played on DS?

  

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141. "i love waiting for who gets the last word."
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shit is hillarious.

WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US?!?! NOOOOBODDDDYY!!!!

  

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146. "It's Spy Vs Spy"
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>shit is hillarious.

  

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157. "Rjcc is hella persistent too."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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165. "i think rjcc is hilarious they way he baits these guys"
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and then sons them so hard. even on the occasions where he is wrong, they other people he argues with take it too seriously.

men are so simple, and so subject to present necessities, that he who seeks to deceive will always find someone who will allow himself to be deceived. (c)Niccolň Machiavelli

  

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166. "when I say everyone on my block got a Wii for Christmas"
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I mean EVERYONE got a Wii. I spent half Christmas morning it seemed over my neighbors houses setting up their Wiis for them since this was like the first video game system a lot of them had bought in years. Everyone has a damn Wii. It's like the damn plague.

  

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