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"Can we say conclusively that Mac Book Air = FAIL"


  

          

I mean, COME ON!!!! No optical drive, ONE usb port, no built in wired ethernet, one headphone jack, all for 1800+ . FAIL!
http://www.apple.com/macbookair/
http://www.apple.com/macbookair/specs.html

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Apple fanbois will take whatever Steve gives them...and like it.
Jan 16th 2008
1
steve be pimpin these cats
Jan 25th 2008
198
RE: Can we say conclusively that Mac Book Air = FAIL
Jan 16th 2008
2
If your plane ride is longer than 5 hours you're shit of luck tho
Jan 16th 2008
3
      yep
Jan 16th 2008
4
           Can't even bring a spare battery and swap it in.
Jan 16th 2008
29
spec-wise: fail.
Jan 16th 2008
5
You could be my Mac Kate Moss Tonite (c) Kanye
Jan 16th 2008
37
      saw the lane and took it
Jan 16th 2008
67
      A+.
Jan 16th 2008
80
      ^^^^^^ SMOATIDus Maximus
Jan 17th 2008
110
RE: Can we say conclusively that Mac Book Air = FAIL
Jan 16th 2008
6
I'm actually impressed by it.
Jan 16th 2008
7
Steve says...
Jan 16th 2008
59
Can we say conclusively that the Macbook Air
Jan 16th 2008
8
it should be $1,499
Jan 16th 2008
10
C'mon now. 64 GB SSD costs more than that alone.
Jan 16th 2008
20
      i was talking about the 80gig
Jan 16th 2008
44
      You're Space Bullets?
Jan 16th 2008
63
      maaannnn....what in the world does that hard drive do?
Jan 16th 2008
81
           No moving parts and faster access than regular hard drives
Jan 16th 2008
84
                less vulnerable too
Jan 18th 2008
115
pretty much. MBA = I'm Ballin' /nm/
Jan 16th 2008
40
lol at the classism in this response.
Jan 16th 2008
47
Man, I sure am mad at the pricing on Cadillacs
Jan 16th 2008
64
I'll put money
Jan 16th 2008
79
      That depends on what you're measuring as "performance" tho
Jan 16th 2008
85
hhmm... true
Feb 06th 2008
217
it's made for idiots. it has nothing to do with money
Jan 16th 2008
90
No, it does have to do with money
Jan 17th 2008
99
I can damn sure afford it, but it's stupid
Jan 17th 2008
103
      That's not even a good analogy though
Jan 17th 2008
106
If it sells then it can't be a failure
Jan 16th 2008
9
RE: Can we say conclusively that Mac Book Air = FAIL
Jan 16th 2008
11
no what that person needs is the eee
Jan 25th 2008
166
I think it's currently a pointless luxury, but you're evaluating wrongly
Jan 16th 2008
12
I'm with you...
Jan 16th 2008
14
      yall are GROSSLY overstating what your measly ipods are..smh
Jan 16th 2008
17
           The MS version of the Air would come with a knife blade, a corkscrew
Jan 16th 2008
18
                I honestly don't get that "joke"...must be some lame mac humor...
Jan 16th 2008
                     Shouldn't you be syncing your Sade from your car or something?
Jan 16th 2008
27
                          NO FROM HIS DRIVEWAY!!!!
Jan 16th 2008
30
                          right, he never said he had a car
Jan 16th 2008
33
                               Fall off my nuts son.......
Jan 16th 2008
35
                          again, you have no valid points to make, so you resort to "humor"
Jan 16th 2008
38
                               you're riding hard for an mp3 player. L
Jan 16th 2008
43
                                    You're riding my nuts for my taste in MP3 players = L
Jan 16th 2008
45
                                         lol this dude loves you.
Jan 16th 2008
49
                                         *reads post 17* ...NOPE, NO SIR.
Jan 16th 2008
70
What I don't get is why there aren't more ports...
Jan 16th 2008
13
Don't you idiots ALWAYS post this after each Macworld?
Jan 16th 2008
15
^^^fell for Steve's banana in the tailpipe...*pause*
Jan 16th 2008
16
Co'sign
Jan 16th 2008
21
Word
Jan 16th 2008
22
Yep.
Jan 16th 2008
23
RE: Don't you idiots ALWAYS post this after each Macworld?
Jan 16th 2008
24
^^^ ETHER
Jan 16th 2008
28
yup. /nm/
Jan 16th 2008
39
This is a tech discussion board. If you don't like it log off and die.
Jan 16th 2008
52
No, you DIE
Jan 16th 2008
58
People post predictions all the time champ.
Jan 16th 2008
65
      You have diarrhea of the mind CHUMP
Jan 16th 2008
75
           Can we conclude that handle = FAIL(?)
Jan 16th 2008
76
                RE: Can we conclude that handle = FAIL(?)
Jan 16th 2008
78
                     lol
Jan 16th 2008
82
                     nopayne is gonna make this cat fly off the handle
Jan 25th 2008
193
LOLZ..calm down. /nm/
Jan 16th 2008
74
well the iphone did underperform
Jan 17th 2008
93
      wat.
Jul 22nd 2008
243
Its designed with a specific demographic in mind
Jan 16th 2008
19
What about all the other options? Aren't those noteworthy??
Jan 16th 2008
25
Apple isn't the first to release SSD based laptops
Jan 16th 2008
53
I want pinch and swipe for the MBP
Jan 16th 2008
54
you not affording one = FAIL!
Jan 16th 2008
26
Sounds like a souped up IPhone lol
Jan 16th 2008
31
I made this SAME EXACT JOKE to somebody yesterday!!!!!!!!!!
Jan 16th 2008
51
instead of a small laptop it's a big ass ipod
Jan 25th 2008
195
      ......and basically two years later we get a big ass ipod
Jan 28th 2010
272
There is a market for these sub-notebooks.
Jan 16th 2008
32
This reminds me of that 20th anniversary Mac.
Jan 16th 2008
34
the cube was not a bad product
Jan 16th 2008
42
      how many windoze boxes can you sell that will b $400?
Jan 16th 2008
48
      the cube was the shit...
Jan 16th 2008
61
           ran too hot tho. /nm/
Jan 16th 2008
72
                true.. but they packed a lot of computer into that thing...
Jan 16th 2008
83
It's a future foward device and the 1st of it's kind.
Jan 16th 2008
36
The first of it's kind in what way exactly?
Jan 16th 2008
41
hmm..let's see.
Jan 16th 2008
46
      fam...on this we >< methinks these fools just want to spew hate
Jan 16th 2008
50
      let's review this point by point
Jan 16th 2008
55
      entertain yourself...
Jan 16th 2008
69
           ^ lost
Jan 16th 2008
77
                fuck you hater :) /nm/
Jan 16th 2008
87
                     lolz back at ya n/m
Jan 16th 2008
89
      So you've convinced yourself that no notebook has done this before
Jan 16th 2008
57
           i love when apples innovation makes cats like you angry...
Jan 16th 2008
60
           I don't see the innovation...can you? School me fam.
Jan 16th 2008
62
                c'mon man.. go check one out for yourself....
Jan 16th 2008
88
           it's been done before but not this well.
Jan 16th 2008
68
there is no optical drive, they need to knock a few hundred off
Jan 16th 2008
56
      price will drop by WWDC ./nm/
Jan 16th 2008
73
Pretty much. Good for business folks but that about it
Jan 16th 2008
66
true. it's not a consumer product. it's prosumer/business.
Jan 16th 2008
71
      it's not even good at being that.
Jan 16th 2008
91
      fut the shuck up. lolz /nm/
Jan 16th 2008
92
      I think of it as a compliment to a Mac desktop
Jan 17th 2008
101
RE: Can we say conclusively that Mac Book Air = FAIL
Jan 16th 2008
86
lol @ this macbook air case
Jan 17th 2008
94
teh lolz /nm/
Jan 17th 2008
95
LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Jan 17th 2008
96
For once I'm gonna have to agree with a Linux fanboi
Jan 17th 2008
97
      thanks. but let the record show that i'm not a linux fanboy
Jan 17th 2008
105
why do you care so much?
Jan 17th 2008
98
Another $100, I have a MacBook Pro that hauls balls
Jan 17th 2008
100
its wack.
Jan 17th 2008
102
It's not meant to replace them though. They didn't discontinue them.
Jan 17th 2008
107
RE: It's not meant to replace them though. They didn't discontinue them.
Jan 18th 2008
114
      Some people *gasp* take their laptops with them places
Jan 18th 2008
117
dog you work for fuckin geek squad, ya broke bastard...
Jan 23rd 2008
130
      lol @ you counting my money.
Jan 26th 2008
206
      ^^^ btw this is the reason why i've stopped arguing w/ apple fans.
Jan 26th 2008
207
           alot of them do that
Jan 26th 2008
210
                son.
Jan 26th 2008
213
                     lol exactly. Damn that whole logic thing for getting in the way
Jan 26th 2008
214
as usual, 2nd gen will be a lot better.
Jan 17th 2008
104
Is it possible to get sick of a macbook pro?
Jan 17th 2008
109
      very true. not so far.
Jan 18th 2008
113
How many headphone jacks do you really need?
Jan 17th 2008
108
it would be nice to have a line in, i'm not trippin of the audio too muc...
Jan 17th 2008
111
in addition, no user replaceable battery....
Jan 17th 2008
112
i'm a fanboy and a stock holder
Jan 18th 2008
116
If you don't get the ssd option you're going to have serious swamp butt
Jan 18th 2008
118
lol.
Jan 21st 2008
119
bwahahaha
Jan 21st 2008
120
o shit
Jan 21st 2008
121
lol
Jan 21st 2008
122
LMFAO..that's cold /nm/
Jan 21st 2008
124
SPINNING PINWHEEL OF DEATH!
Jan 21st 2008
125
Ah fuck lol
Jan 21st 2008
126
the commodore?
Jan 24th 2008
143
      lol.
Jan 25th 2008
147
that's hilarious
Jan 25th 2008
148
oh shyt! lol
Mar 30th 2008
241
brilliant
Jul 23rd 2008
244
GAMESHOWGAMESHOWGAMESHOW!(c)Kelis
Jan 21st 2008
123
i see people here hate change...
Jan 22nd 2008
127
so the future is inflated prices for computer hardware with less feature...
Jan 23rd 2008
128
any new innovation is going to be expensive first....
Jan 24th 2008
132
      what innovation?
Jan 24th 2008
136
           the motherboard and processor size factor for one
Jan 24th 2008
137
                Whats wireless migration? What does that mean?
Jan 24th 2008
138
                     you cannot fit a mac book pro into a mac book air...
Jan 24th 2008
140
                          Wtf? fitting a smaller processor into a notebook is not innovation
Jan 24th 2008
142
source?
Jan 23rd 2008
129
backed-up in full .... now what ?
Jan 24th 2008
133
      now nothing, MS fanatics will rationalize that as wrong like O'Reily
Jan 24th 2008
134
      lol did you even read the entire article?
Jan 24th 2008
135
           step you reading game up and read the whole article...
Jan 24th 2008
139
                You forgot to quote this part:
Jan 24th 2008
141
                     reading is FUNdamental
Jan 25th 2008
162
                     hahaha
Jan 26th 2008
211
preachin to the choir. some folks will never 'get it' /nm/
Jan 23rd 2008
131
Engadget rundown on the optical drive (Swipe)
Jan 24th 2008
144
*dumps this link in this post and speeds off*
Jan 24th 2008
145
since when has anyone ever given a shit about thinness?
Jan 25th 2008
146
but they don't hear u
Jan 25th 2008
203
however much hate, people will buy and this will sell...
Jan 25th 2008
149
Word. Apple's stock over the past few weeks is totally backing you up
Jan 25th 2008
150
      Apple's Stock has nothing to do with it...
Jan 25th 2008
151
           huh? 20% profit margin that bullshit
Jan 25th 2008
154
you hardcore mac heads are too much
Jan 25th 2008
152
if the MBA was $500...
Jan 25th 2008
153
then it would be attractively priced with its current specs
Jan 25th 2008
155
u underestimate MAc fanbois
Jan 25th 2008
156
      well we already know what the fanboys think
Jan 25th 2008
157
      thats what i am saying.. people are no this like it wont sell...
Jan 25th 2008
158
           No, more like people are like this is stupid and a waste of money
Jan 25th 2008
159
LOL wow you're quite the economist there n/m
Jan 25th 2008
160
no like jet said, people dont have the money to buy, so they hate
Jan 25th 2008
163
      well u and jet are wrong. i assure u nopayne will hate regardless
Jan 25th 2008
165
      LMFAO! ^that's my dog! /nm/
Jan 25th 2008
168
           u gone leak pics of next weaks beauty?
Jan 25th 2008
170
                patience, young padwan. lolz /nm/
Jan 25th 2008
174
      nonsense
Jan 25th 2008
171
      delete
Jan 25th 2008
173
      um the majority of ppl in high tech can more then afford a MBA
Jan 25th 2008
175
      spending money on consoles dont mean shit to this convo..
Jan 25th 2008
184
           the point is we all have large amounts of expendable income on here
Jan 25th 2008
189
      Why are so many people using this argument?
Jan 25th 2008
185
           because they don't have a decent retort, otherwise.
Jan 26th 2008
208
You mean if it was cheaper than an iPhone??? muha, MUHA, MUHAHAHAHA!!!
Jan 25th 2008
181
ppl who don't frequent GD won't get the full hilarity of this:
Jan 26th 2008
212
lol...y'all still talking about this???!?!?!?!?
Jan 25th 2008
161
fam i kindly ask u to FOH and KIM
Jan 25th 2008
164
it's a cavity fighter.
Jan 25th 2008
167
      macbrush?
Jan 25th 2008
169
           MacBrush Spin. /nm/
Jan 25th 2008
172
                of course using anything other than iPaste will void your warranty
Jan 25th 2008
178
                     granted, and u gotta get Applecare.
Jan 25th 2008
183
                     word, that Applecare is where it's at
Jan 25th 2008
192
                     lord help you if you run out of iPaste. That's a $500 refill.
Jan 25th 2008
186
                          well compared to the price of the iFilling if u get an iCavity.......
Jan 25th 2008
190
                          EFFU! it's only $499.99. :) /nm/
Jan 25th 2008
194
                               *noted*
Jan 25th 2008
196
lol @ this "2nd or 3rd laptop" excuse
Jan 25th 2008
176
if i had a teenage girl i'd get her one.
Jan 25th 2008
177
word
Jan 25th 2008
179
that is the point though...
Jan 25th 2008
180
i can ask a random resident of Santa Fe, NM
Jan 25th 2008
182
Personally I'm just trying to push this to double plat.
Jan 25th 2008
187
it's great to have goals. :) /nm/
Jan 25th 2008
188
almost
Jan 25th 2008
191
second or third machine in higher tax brackets? omg this is hilarious.
Jan 26th 2008
209
iThink so
Jan 25th 2008
197
.
Jan 25th 2008
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200!
Jan 25th 2008
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      u ruin everything! *storms out of post*
Jan 25th 2008
202
double plat. now..dts :) /nm/
Jan 25th 2008
201
Maybe I was wrong guys the battery is easy to replace (SWIPE)
Jan 25th 2008
204
Engadget MacBook Air review (swipe)
Jan 26th 2008
205
Ars compares the SSD and HDD version: lols ensue
Feb 06th 2008
215
if only you could channel all of this ... n/m
Feb 06th 2008
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i say 'meh' to you. meh. /nm/
Feb 06th 2008
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Is that 1300 PLUS 1800?????????!!!!!!!!!
Feb 07th 2008
219
      No n/m
Feb 07th 2008
220
      yessir 3gs for this mofo
Feb 07th 2008
221
           the hate is strong with this one - Yoda
Feb 08th 2008
222
Questo agrees! His broke in a week. smh
Feb 21st 2008
223
FAIL
Feb 21st 2008
224
you mean a day ...
Feb 22nd 2008
225
you mean a day ...
Feb 22nd 2008
226
lol.. quest-ion ..can someone say case ?
Feb 22nd 2008
227
You remind me of this guy:
Feb 22nd 2008
229
note to self: send ?uesto a new RDF. /nm/
Feb 22nd 2008
228
sounds like his own fault though
Mar 04th 2008
232
LOL even the Woz thinks this thing is a flop (swipe!)
Mar 03rd 2008
230
it's just not practical today to not have an optical drive
Mar 04th 2008
231
his comments on Apple may get taken out of context:
Mar 04th 2008
235
agreed.....shit is purely cosmetic....n/m
Mar 04th 2008
233
MacBook Air aflutter: demand stays strong, sold out often (swipe)
Mar 04th 2008
234
That's the ticket! Spin that L into a W!
Mar 04th 2008
236
triple platinum post !!! n/m
Mar 04th 2008
237
guess the RDF is still workin'.....n/m
Mar 04th 2008
238
      allday, e'eday. /nm/
Mar 04th 2008
239
MacBook Air pwned in under two minutes!
Mar 28th 2008
240
lol.
Jul 21st 2008
242
Are we done dissing the Air? Hell no! (Swipe)
Sep 09th 2008
245
this nigga is hittin homeruns in the Hate Series
Sep 09th 2008
246
but it's so small and so cool, and it comes in a pretty box nm
Sep 10th 2008
247
I hear the new Airs are alot better.
Dec 06th 2008
248
i've never seen one outside an apple store
Dec 06th 2008
249
this one douchebag on the train has one
Dec 08th 2008
251
      http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3197/3009087034_364553608f.jpg
Dec 08th 2008
252
           That's great. Now go back and reread my post.
Dec 08th 2008
253
                ^^^FURIOUS....HAHAHAHA
Dec 08th 2008
254
                they didn't win the election on MBAs
Dec 08th 2008
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                     lol
Dec 08th 2008
259
                ?uesto paid for his (that broke in an hour) didn't he?
Dec 08th 2008
257
                     Nah he got his for free.
Dec 08th 2008
258
so how is it a flop, if they keep selling em...
Dec 08th 2008
260
saying FAIL=FAIL
Dec 07th 2008
250
Fuck That, I am buying the SSD model for Christmas
Dec 08th 2008
255
CNET drops a bomb on Air's wireless abilities (SWIPE)
Dec 14th 2008
261
so
Dec 15th 2008
262
      you're right, what am I thinking?
Dec 15th 2008
263
           he can always get a usb hub tho.
Dec 17th 2008
264
Never forget.
Jan 27th 2010
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lol
Jan 27th 2010
266
lmmfaololololol
Jan 27th 2010
268
lols.
Jan 28th 2010
269
lmao
Jan 28th 2010
271
quick, clear up some space in the archives -- we have a new entry
Jan 27th 2010
267
what archive?
Jan 28th 2010
270
      DAMN YOU BURB!!!
Jan 28th 2010
273
this thing is flopping like ipad
Feb 20th 2011
274
8mill ipads sold as of 5/8/10 expected to be 28mill by 10/2011
Feb 22nd 2011
284
      they are doing well.
Feb 22nd 2011
285
      twas casm'
Feb 23rd 2011
289
           i know but do THEY know?
Feb 23rd 2011
292
unloading my iMac soon and i wiil be getting
Feb 20th 2011
275
I SEEN IT like a 20 in Zenith....believe it.
Feb 20th 2011
276
thought i was the only 1 sellin imac for a mbp, leaning towards an ipad ...
Feb 20th 2011
277
going portable for the first time ever.
Feb 20th 2011
278
      yea..hope they cram a ssd and hdd in it
Feb 20th 2011
279
      gimmie an ssd.
Feb 20th 2011
280
      new intel chip and possibly light peak
Feb 20th 2011
282
LIGHTPEAK!
Feb 20th 2011
281
Possibly. Unloading this iMac in a minute.
Feb 21st 2011
283
      any specifics?
Feb 22nd 2011
286
           none. just speculation and rumors.
Feb 22nd 2011
287
                bwhahah my ninja
Feb 22nd 2011
288
                     THUNDERBOLT!
Feb 23rd 2011
291
Damn, I might have to sell my iMac too if the specs are right for the MB...
Feb 23rd 2011
290
      specs released so far are for the entry level piece o' crap
Feb 23rd 2011
293
           yeah, looks like i'm gonna hold out
Feb 23rd 2011
294
                new designs to drop in a year
Feb 24th 2011
295
                     Looks like 2012 will be the year.
Feb 24th 2011
296
                          Wow, was that JoshClark stuff already 4 years ago?!
Feb 25th 2011
316
Crapple store is down
Feb 24th 2011
297
Quad Core standard on 15'..bye bye iMac..its been real
Feb 24th 2011
298
mine will be connected to my 27in Samsung monitor
Feb 24th 2011
300
      RE: mine will be connected to my 27in Samsung monitor
Feb 24th 2011
302
      thanks Steel. :)
Feb 24th 2011
304
      damn bro..
Feb 24th 2011
303
      it's been over for a while.
Feb 24th 2011
305
      damn man...
Feb 24th 2011
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      Don't be.
Feb 24th 2011
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           ^^^sees it
Feb 24th 2011
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           stay up man
Feb 25th 2011
317
      damn cuz u having a wild year
Feb 24th 2011
311
I gotta move out so MBP 15in has gotta wait a month or two.
Feb 24th 2011
299
thought about the 17..
Feb 24th 2011
309
15' 2.2 Quad on the way!!
Feb 28th 2011
319
Officially its Thunderbolt!
Feb 24th 2011
301
What on earth does this have to do with shitty Macbook Airs?
Feb 24th 2011
310
      they are trying put positive shit into a fail thread, lol
Feb 24th 2011
312
           macbook air is not a fail
Feb 25th 2011
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                Not since the redesign sure
Feb 25th 2011
314
                     it was still selling before this redesign
Feb 25th 2011
315
                          Not the early generations
Feb 28th 2011
321
                          before this revision it was fucking unusable
Feb 28th 2011
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                               weird, everybody i know who has one from before the redesign
Jul 20th 2011
327
                                    Of course they're still using it
Jul 20th 2011
328
                                         i'm not talking the OG ones
Jul 20th 2011
329
Ugh so my dad bought one of the new Airs.
Feb 25th 2011
318
your dad is a smart man
Feb 28th 2011
320
I'm surprised you still talk to him and haven't burned his house
Feb 28th 2011
323
My dad has been a mac guy since forever.
Feb 28th 2011
325
      RDFn' since 1985
Feb 28th 2011
326
      ah.. it's a childhood thing now your nonsense makes sense.
May 10th 2012
333
LMFAO
Feb 28th 2011
324
MacBook Air = WIn.
Jul 20th 2011
330
They're saying MBA 2011 > MBPro 2010
Jul 20th 2011
331
Yeah, probably Apple's only great laptop
May 09th 2012
332
$700 Macair is supposed to be coming out soon to compete wit netbooks
May 10th 2012
334
      Good idea. I ended up grabbing a 13" MBP instead of MBA though
May 11th 2012
335
Damn, I think I might pick one of these up
May 13th 2012
336
Still...MBA = Win.
May 14th 2012
337
confession: I'm an ultrabook owner
May 24th 2012
342
c'mon man, it took 'em four freakin years. Any other company
Jun 02nd 2012
343
      You basically just gave Apple a huge compliment.
Jun 02nd 2012
344
           ehhhhh
Jun 02nd 2012
345
           Nah, but they did get the Macbook Air right eventually
Jun 02nd 2012
346
           Apple was "persistant" about the eMac line too. No one misses those.
Jun 04th 2012
347
                I'm not an Apple fanboy. I hear you.
Jun 04th 2012
348
Ended up grabbing an air(terrible self control)
May 15th 2012
338
New ones in June (allegedly)
May 16th 2012
339
      Ive heard new MBP's but not the Air's.
May 16th 2012
340
           This is what would worry me:
May 17th 2012
341
.
Oct 27th 2016
349
Heh, such timing making that point
Oct 30th 2016
350

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1. "Apple fanbois will take whatever Steve gives them...and like it."
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198. "steve be pimpin these cats"
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2. "RE: Can we say conclusively that Mac Book Air = FAIL"
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>I mean, COME ON!!!! No optical drive, ONE usb port, no built
>in wired ethernet, one headphone jack, all for 1800+ . FAIL!

i agree and im a mac guy. but really this line of computer isnt made for me. its for busy people on the go for planes and conference rooms. its not meant to be your main computer. for the people that have that need can afford paying more for what it does. the one usb port seems wack but i think its pushing you to use bluetooth stuff. also lol about complaining about one headphone jack. does any computer have more then one? but to add on i think the battery life is pretty shitty and you cant swap out the batteries easily as far as i understand.

  

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3. "If your plane ride is longer than 5 hours you're shit of luck tho"
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4. "yep"
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and from what i saw somewhere thats 5 hours of idle time. so if you're working its bound to be even less

  

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29. "Can't even bring a spare battery and swap it in."
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Edit: Oops, you already said that. Anyway, I was just looking for an excuse to use this line:

Maybe they'll install Apple stores on airplanes.

  

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5. "spec-wise: fail."
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regardless, the kate moss of laptops is gonna sell.

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37. "You could be my Mac Kate Moss Tonite (c) Kanye"
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67. "saw the lane and took it"
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WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US?!?! NOOOOBODDDDYY!!!!

  

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80. "A+."
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110. "^^^^^^ SMOATIDus Maximus"
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LOL

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6. "RE: Can we say conclusively that Mac Book Air = FAIL"
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i agree with you. I think that this will not sell as much as they thought. But dumb people will eat it up. All those kids who buy Macbooks because they want a mac will be fine with the air. Although it is more expensive but rich people got dough.

RECOGNIZE he Macbook TOUCH...wat ya'll know about that? Im down for that when it comes out.

  

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7. "I'm actually impressed by it."
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Might even pre-order it Friday.
I can't remember the last time I used a CD in my laptop.
What do you really need more than one USB port for?
With a 13.3" screen, I doubt anyone would rely on this as their main computer, and if they did, they'd likely have a docking station which would provide more USB ports....it is dockable isn't it?

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59. "Steve says..."
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http://www.lenflack.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/steve_koolaid2.jpg

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8. "Can we say conclusively that the Macbook Air"
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is for people with big bank and stop whining that it doesnít have this or that?

Like I said in GD, the Air isnít bad because you canít afford 3k for an extra computer.

If you canít, donít feel bad. They still make the Macbook and Macbook Pro for people like you.

  

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10. "it should be $1,499"
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20. "C'mon now. 64 GB SSD costs more than that alone."
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http://www.allstarshop.com/shop/product.asp?ad=fg&pid=19381

  

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44. "i was talking about the 80gig"
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63. "You're Space Bullets?"
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Why the name change?

Anyway, I don't see the point in getting an 80GB hard drive at 4200rpm when you could just go for a 60GB SSD.

  

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81. "maaannnn....what in the world does that hard drive do?"
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lol

that shit cost more than most computers.

64GB for 17-hundo?!

Seriously tho...

Does it save data differently?

I don't get it.

That's a down payment on a new whip.

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84. "No moving parts and faster access than regular hard drives"
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Hard drive speed tends to be a bottle neck in computers.

  

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115. "less vulnerable too"
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less likely to crash if I'm not mistaken.

It's the future of storage, but still very expensive compared to traditional hard drives.


I'm #ffffff

  

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40. "pretty much. MBA = I'm Ballin' /nm/"
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47. "lol at the classism in this response."
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whether we can afford it or not isn't the point. the price and the specs do not make it a good value period.


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64. "Man, I sure am mad at the pricing on Cadillacs"
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They donít even get the fuel economy my Cobalt gets. What a ripoff!

  

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79. "I'll put money"
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>They donít even get the fuel economy my Cobalt gets. What a
>ripoff!

on the fact that your Cobalt doesn't have half the performance of a Caddy.... That's the beef. It's not that great of a computer, spec-wise.

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85. "That depends on what you're measuring as &quot;performance&quot; tho"
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Are you measuring speed? A stock 350z can outrun most caddies at $26k.

Are you measuring gas millage? My Cobalt has most Caddies beat there.

Are we talking about sound systems? I have XM in my whip.

Interior size? There are less expensive and roomer vehicles.


The Air underperforms in certain aspects compared to other laptops, but if your primary concern is device thickness and aesthetics, it has everything beat.

It's a luxury item for people who can afford it and aren't worrying about comparing price and specs to other things. If you can't afford it, or don't think it's worth the money, that's cool...but when a company makes the "est" anything (fastest, smallest, biggest, thinnest, etc.) you can't call it a FAIL.

Like I said, if it's not for you, get a Macbook. Mine was $1.3k and has an 80GB hard drive, faster processor, replaceable battery, multiple usb ports and a cd/dvd burner. I could see the bitching if Apple stopped selling their other laptops, but they basically just introduced a luxury model and people are mad it costs too much. C'mon.

  

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217. "hhmm... true"
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90. "it's made for idiots. it has nothing to do with money"
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i spent 1800 on a laptop two years ago. but i wouldn't buy this air shit.

  

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99. "No, it does have to do with money"
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You got your laptop as a primary computer. Somebody buying the air would ideally be a person getting a second or even third computer (and theyíd be getting the 3K version).

You donít need your third computer to do fifty-leven things, especially when it comes in that small of a package.

  

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103. "I can damn sure afford it, but it's stupid"
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It doesn't do what it's supposed to. Like if I was a billionaire and didn't want the new lambo cuz it couldn't reverse I'd be an idiot?

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106. "That's not even a good analogy though"
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It implies the thing is similar to every other computer except it doesn't do a few things, when the reality is that it's made to do something something else.

It would be more akin to being mad at a hover-lambo for not being able to reverse but ignoring the fact that the motherfucker can hover.

Seriously, what doesn't it do that it's "supposed to do" tho?

It's supposed to be a super portable laptop and that's exactly what it is.

What do you want from the thing? An optical drive? Where the fuck are you gonna put the shit? It's not like they said "ok, we're only selling these now, y'all s.o.l. if you use cds or dvds" They have a $100 superdrive option (that is powered form the usb port with no need for additional power cords) AND the shit can remotely use another computer's cd/dvd drive.


Also, being able to purchase something and being able to afford something are two different things. I can go out and buy a Macbook Air right now if I wanted, but I couldn't afford to waste that much money on a computer without certain features. This thing is for people that have tricked out, do everything Macs and want (and can afford) an extra machine for when they don't need all the trickedoutness.

  

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9. "If it sells then it can't be a failure"
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But I'm not buying into the hype and think its outrageously overpriced.

  

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11. "RE: Can we say conclusively that Mac Book Air = FAIL"
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No. It isn't for powerusers. Its for people who want a nice word processor. It's for people like my mom. Something light that she can carry around. Look cute. And, type up whatever she needs to type up.


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166. "no what that person needs is the eee"
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12. "I think it's currently a pointless luxury, but you're evaluating wrongly"
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you're comparing your current, HD dvd burning, 4 slot, 2 port, 2 USB cable 17" widescreen portable desktop to what the air is: an overblown (and priced, in my opinion) iPod that can run an OS. This shit isn't for folks with one computer, it's for folks that have a home desktop setup that want something hyper-mobile and still capable of base functions. It's not like the iPod replaced your entire CD library and home stereo, did it? Same idea. When you're at the coffee shop working on a paper or surfing the net, how badly do you need an optical drive or more than one corded (keyword) peripheral?
But for the current price point, no, it's a bit silly and yes, people will still buy them.

  

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14. "I'm with you..."
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But in my case my IPOD (80GB) did replace my cd collection--LOL. But you're right, this is essentially a big IPOD...I'm surprised they went with a 13.3" screen instead of the 12".

  

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17. "yall are GROSSLY overstating what your measly ipods are..smh"
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sig below:
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18. "The MS version of the Air would come with a knife blade, a corkscrew"
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and a toothpick

  

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"I honestly don't get that "joke"...must be some lame mac humor..."


  

          

But to say that a laptop is basically your ipod with a big screen pretty much nullifies any pull that that gravity has upon you..

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27. "Shouldn't you be syncing your Sade from your car or something?"
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all up in a mac post...

  

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30. "NO FROM HIS DRIVEWAY!!!!"
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33. "right, he never said he had a car"
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but if you have a zune, fuck having a car.

  

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35. "Fall off my nuts son......."
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You should be pleased that i'm even gracing you with my e-presence...


sig below:
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-A monkey is chased by a hyena and you cannot tell the laughter from the screams.

-Is there gas in the car?
Yes, there's gas in the

  

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38. "again, you have no valid points to make, so you resort to "humor""
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sig below:
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-Is there gas in the car?
Yes, there's gas in the

  

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43. "you're riding hard for an mp3 player. L"
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45. "You're riding my nuts for my taste in MP3 players = L"
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sig below:
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-Is there gas in the car?
Yes, there's gas in the

  

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49. "lol this dude loves you."
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70. "*reads post 17* ...NOPE, NO SIR."
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13. "What I don't get is why there aren't more ports..."
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you could have 2 usb ports and an ethernet port built in, and I'm *fairly* certain it won't add real estate. Taking out the cd-rom, vga port, enclosing the HD...all moves I understand to make it 1/8 of a mm...or whatever. But with the USB/ethernet, I don't get it. I suppose I'd have to crack one open and look at the MB to figure it out. My $0.02. Like others, I like mac...but I don't understand this product (minus the coolness factor).

  

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15. "Don't you idiots ALWAYS post this after each Macworld?"
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EVERY Macworld gets one of these posts:

There's no FLOPPY drive??
G3 computer got rid of ADB and SCSI? Who'd buy that?
iPod is only 5GB, doesn't have wireless and cost how much??
Apple moving to Intel, why not just buy a PC?
I can't replace the battery in my iPod?? No one will ever buy it.
How much more for BLACK??
iPhone is overpriced and no one will buy it!

Time will tell if it's a hit or not. And YOU don't get to define a hit.

It's like every Apple product has to be 100000% revolutionary for folks to even begin to admit that it might sell. And then y'all complain about the price.

Well go back to your AMD computer and listen to your iRiver MP3 player and STFU.

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16. "^^^fell for Steve's banana in the tailpipe...*pause*"
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21. "Co'sign"
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all of what was just said...

  

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22. "Word"
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Tech people seem to be very narrow-minded and short sighted.

They were saying the Wii would get blown out the water, too.



I learned my lesson to stop thinking the conventional shit will always win after the DS kicked the PSPís ass.

  

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23. "Yep."
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24. "RE: Don't you idiots ALWAYS post this after each Macworld?"
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28. "^^^ ETHER"
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39. "yup. /nm/"
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52. "This is a tech discussion board. If you don't like it log off and die."
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58. "No, you DIE"
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This thread was not set-up for a discussion , it was set up as a pronouncement.

The same pronouncement idiots on message boards post immediately after each and every Apple announcement.

I've listed quite a few of those (wrong) pronouncements and you've told me to die. I now pronounce you an idiot. Of of discussion.

  

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65. "People post predictions all the time champ."
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We predicted AppleTV was trash. A year later Jobs admitted it was doo doo.

We said the iPhone cost too damn much, a few months later they lowered the price.

You win some, you lose some.

It goes on and on. Same shit happens in the Wii/360/PS3/HD-DVD/Bluray/Vista/Linux posts.

I repeat: if you can't deal with it go ahead and body yourself.


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75. "You have diarrhea of the mind CHUMP"
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This was not started as a predictions thread (those threads are historically 90% wrong in here) it was started as a CONCLUSION thread.

Read the title. "Can we say conclusively that Mac Book Air = FAIL" Notice it was not posted as an interrogative sentence either.

And it didn't define what FAIL might mean either.

There's a difference between prediction shit (y'all ain't Carnac (not Carmack)) and just being a dick.

But you'll never understand the difference. EOF.

  

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76. "Can we conclude that handle = FAIL(?)"
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You really are mad over this shit. I need to give props to the original poster for being able to get you worked up so easily.


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78. "RE: Can we conclude that handle = FAIL(?)"
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I'm going to have to gangbang your mother now, you realize that, don't you?

Sign-ups for the gangbang will be sent as eVites to all users tomorrow.

  

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82. "lol"
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193. "nopayne is gonna make this cat fly off the handle"
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74. "LOLZ..calm down. /nm/"
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93. "well the iphone did underperform"
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243. "wat."
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19. "Its designed with a specific demographic in mind"
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and intended to be almost entirely wireless

as stated before, not for power users...but it is a great new toy for someone not depended upon it

I think of it as laptop variation, much like the ipod has its variations all intended for different people for different reasons

take it for what it is and don't try to stretch its intended domain

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25. "What about all the other options? Aren't those noteworthy??"
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I was just looking at one and, while even though, I don't see myself spending the money, I see that they are introducing some things that they are definitely trying to make mainstream like the 802.11n and the Solid-State harddrives.

I'm mostly excited to see how all the other companies, in usual mimicking moves, try to incorporate solid-state into their notebooks.

I mean, it would be great if 2008 was the year we finally got rid of the computing bottle-neck that is disk based drives. I'd even settle for a 20GB solid-state drive to run software from and a 100GB drive to store data by the time Christmas rolls around

  

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53. "Apple isn't the first to release SSD based laptops"
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The industry has been moving in that direction for a while now.

Also, 802.11n isn't the new hotness anymore so it isn't groundbreaking in that regard either.


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54. "I want pinch and swipe for the MBP"
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26. "you not affording one = FAIL!"
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31. "Sounds like a souped up IPhone lol"
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<-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><->
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51. "I made this SAME EXACT JOKE to somebody yesterday!!!!!!!!!!"
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195. "instead of a small laptop it's a big ass ipod"
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272. "......and basically two years later we get a big ass ipod"
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And even the hipsterest of the hipster don't have a Macbook Air.

You know, we could all be reading a book right now.

  

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32. "There is a market for these sub-notebooks."
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It's not intended for users like myself, and presumably like you. I'm fine using my iMac and my regular-ass macbook.
But there are people who, for whatever reasons, need sub-notebooks. Macbook Jordan is not for us.

But it is not a failure.

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34. "This reminds me of that 20th anniversary Mac."
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Or that gold-plated mac.

Or the Cube.

There are limits to people's fanboyism.

  

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42. "the cube was not a bad product"
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a lot of new tech in the cube and it sold pretty well. the cube was really an exercise in design to show folks that they were still in the game as far as making stylish computers. I mean, after the bright "flavors" of the ugly iMac, they needed to remind people that they weren't just building computers for children's playrooms.

  

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48. "how many windoze boxes can you sell that will b $400?"
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used.

not many.

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61. "the cube was the shit..."
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72. "ran too hot tho. /nm/"
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83. "true.. but they packed a lot of computer into that thing..."
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36. "It's a future foward device and the 1st of it's kind."
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the hate is not justified and is rather myopic, imho.

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41. "The first of it's kind in what way exactly?"
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I'm dying to hear what is innovative about this machine.

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46. "hmm..let's see."
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1.a new smaller cpu.... C2D 45nm batch!
2.wireless migration (this is a bigger deal than u realize)
3.no optical drive (optical drives are gonna go the way of floppies, floop,floop...)
4.small powerful logic board (big deal also..this can be used for a real ultraprotable)
5.a badass backlit keyboard
6.environmentally friendly
7.It looks great.

Positive Externalities

1.It's going to push all the other manufacturers = better products overall, consumers win.
2.the wares companies/content providers on optical (DVD/BD)will have to be feature packed since optical is going to die eventually.
3.The bar has been set pretty high design and function wise = consumers win again.

I could go on and on and on...

bottom line we all win.

the myopia in here is tragic.

oh well.


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50. "fam...on this we >< methinks these fools just want to spew hate"
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for hates sake.
Maybe they salty bout their light wallets...i cant call it.

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55. "let's review this point by point"
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>
>
> 1.a new smaller cpu.... C2D 45nm batch!

That's an Intel innovation. Everyone's gonna get those.

> 2.wireless migration (this is a bigger deal than u realize)

You're using a buzzword you didn't really say anything here.

> 3.no optical drive (optical drives are gonna go the way of
>floppies, floop,floop...)

Other laptop makers beat them to the punch here. Sorry, Apple.

> 4.small powerful logic board (big deal also..this can be used
>for a real ultraprotable)

Apple hasn't created the first subnotebook, in fact I don't even think it's the smallest. No innovation here.


> 5.a badass backlit keyboard

meh

> 6.environmentally friendly

marketing

> 7.It looks great.

possibly

>
>Positive Externalities
>
>1.It's going to push all the other manufacturers = better
>products overall, consumers win.

That could be said about any product. If they do sell, it'll help push down the SSD prices but that's going to happen regardless.

> 2.the wares companies/content providers on optical
>(DVD/BD)will have to be feature packed since optical is going
>to die eventually.

They realize this already. If anything, MS and Apple are pushing this more through Xbox Live/ITMS than this laptop.


> 3.The bar has been set pretty high design and function wise =
>consumers win again.

nah

>
>I could go on and on and on...

please do!


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69. "entertain yourself..."
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we could argue till the gateway one's come home, duke.
i know i'm right.

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77. "^ lost"
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87. "fuck you hater :) /nm/"
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89. "lolz back at ya n/m"
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57. "So you've convinced yourself that no notebook has done this before"
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1. The specs I read were that it's using the old 65 Nm mobile processor. Don't know where you got 45Nm.

2. Wireless migration...yeah umm, what does that even mean. My 3 year old Dell has wireless...what makes that special on the MacBook Air?

3. No optical drive is somehow a bonus? WTF? lol.

4. Sony Vaio and Dell XPS say hello from last year...i thought you said this shit was the first of it's kind

5. Enviromentally friendly...lol

6. It looks great...yeah, that it does...how innovative!

Come on fam, try harder. What's innovative about the MacBook Air. So far you got nothin.

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60. "i love when apples innovation makes cats like you angry..."
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...you are so pissed, lol ...Apple wins again!

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62. "I don't see the innovation...can you? School me fam."
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88. "c'mon man.. go check one out for yourself...."
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68. "it's been done before but not this well."
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what can i say i have apple stock and enjoy their products.
i'm a fanboy in every sense of the word.

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56. "there is no optical drive, they need to knock a few hundred off"
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the list price

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73. "price will drop by WWDC ./nm/"
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66. "Pretty much. Good for business folks but that about it"
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Some of the technology is dope tho, the touchpad, remote disk.

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71. "true. it's not a consumer product. it's prosumer/business."
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/nm/

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91. "it's not even good at being that."
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92. "fut the shuck up. lolz /nm/"
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101. "I think of it as a compliment to a Mac desktop"
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Wether it's a iMac or a MacPro... but by no means should anyone by this as their stand alone computer.

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86. "RE: Can we say conclusively that Mac Book Air = FAIL"
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When I was in class this morning they had kids who got there parents to pre order it already. That's crazy. It's like an expensive fashion item.

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94. "lol @ this macbook air case"
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http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/airmail-the-manila-folder-macbook-air-sleeve-gets-real/

  

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95. "teh lolz /nm/"
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96. "LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL"
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LLL
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97. "For once I'm gonna have to agree with a Linux fanboi"
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105. "thanks. but let the record show that i'm not a linux fanboy"
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i just prefer to use a system that is open and affords me the opportunity to choose how i want to use my computer rather than being forced into a way of doing things.

don't u need to update your antivirus or something?

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98. "why do you care so much?"
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i think it looks cool but because it's not truly between a MB and MBP and has the no dedicated graphics card it's not for me BUT i can see why people would want it.

mofos are sounding like they're talking about their ex or something on here.

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100. "Another $100, I have a MacBook Pro that hauls balls"
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I like the innovations on the Air. The bad news is they're only on the Air. The good news is they should trickle their way into the other models eventually.

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102. "its wack."
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and it doesn't help the argument when the only ones that know what they're talking about in here is jetblack. i see SP is back to his old tricks. not knowing shit about computers.

but whatever.

the air is gonna only do one thing: drive down the costs of flash memory.

it's a waste of money. get a macbook if you wanna spend 1800 dollars on a laptop. fuck that. get a macbook pro if you wanna spend 3k.

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107. "It's not meant to replace them though. They didn't discontinue them."
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Y'all are really looking to deeply at this shit.

If you value the size of the device over the performance, then get the Macbook Air. If not, get a Macbook or a MBP.

  

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114. "RE: It's not meant to replace them though. They didn't discontinue them."
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>Y'all are really looking to deeply at this shit.
>
>If you value the size of the device over the performance, then
>get the Macbook Air. If not, get a Macbook or a MBP.
>

learn to read. i said nothing about replacing them. that'd be stupid as hell. if you value the size of a device, you need to have more space if you can't save yourself a few inches.

iont see people rushing out banging down doors for it. *shrugs*

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117. "Some people *gasp* take their laptops with them places"
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If you're going somewhere and need to do something on a laptop that doesn't involve a CD, the Air will work just fine and you'll have a lighter laptop case.

It's a convenience, not a necessity, for sure, but you saying "get a Macbook Pro" to somebody that wants an ultra-portable is kinda dumb.

> if you value the size of a device, you need to
>have more space if you can't save yourself a few inches.

  

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130. "dog you work for fuckin geek squad, ya broke bastard..."
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...most u cats complaining about products that you could NEVER afford ...plus u know NOTHING about what people with $$$ would buy in the real world

..the way u guys flock to these apple posts to complain is hilarious ..jealous bastards, lol

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206. "lol @ you counting my money."
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and i can afford it. but why overspend?

  

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207. "^^^ btw this is the reason why i've stopped arguing w/ apple fans."
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they resort to the *you can't afford it* tactic because they don't know shit about computers to give a decent retort.

but that's his MO. so i won't paint yall with the same wide brush.

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210. "alot of them do that"
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see Deluge, Uchiwa_Sasuke, and company

On one hand I want to explain just how much cash I've dropped on hardware this year, on another it's none of their fucking business and it's irrelevant to the argument.

Very annoying.

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213. "son."
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i've spent the amount of a macbook pro worth of HD and video cards and memory and processors.

but nevermind that.

i mean. i was a split second from getting a quad extreme joint the other day the same amount as they whole computer but i make SOUND DECISIONS WITH MY PURCHASES.

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214. "lol exactly. Damn that whole logic thing for getting in the way"
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104. "as usual, 2nd gen will be a lot better."
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by the time that drops, maybe i'll be sick of my pro and ready for an air...

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109. "Is it possible to get sick of a macbook pro?"
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Unless I'm badly missing the touch of sarcasm (what can I say, I'm posting from my blackberry pearl! )

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113. "very true. not so far."
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"sick of" was not a good choice of words. perhaps i should have said maybe i'll be "ready for an even greater mac experience".

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108. "How many headphone jacks do you really need?"
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One is fine for me, and the other 98.73% of the population I think.

  

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the lack of ports and optical drives is what's kill me.

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112. "in addition, no user replaceable battery...."
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= $CAM

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116. "i'm a fanboy and a stock holder"
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cake up apple.

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118. "If you don't get the ssd option you're going to have serious swamp butt"
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using this thing...it's going to run hot!!

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119. "lol."
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120. "bwahahaha"
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121. "o shit"
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122. "lol"
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124. "LMFAO..that's cold /nm/"
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125. "SPINNING PINWHEEL OF DEATH!"
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126. "Ah fuck lol"
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I still want one tho.

  

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143. "the commodore?"
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147. "lol."
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148. "that's hilarious"
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241. "oh shyt! lol"
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244. "brilliant"
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123. "GAMESHOWGAMESHOWGAMESHOW!(c)Kelis"
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127. "i see people here hate change..."
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PC fanboy myself, but Apple have produced something for the future that people will follow. Can't see how this got so many replies, some of the people arguing for the PC are ignorant as f*ck and know nothing about what they are talking about, hate to be in the same crowd as them, especially the ones that think Wireless Migration is just a buzzword and environmentally friendly is marketing. Also Intel was request by Apple to make that processor, therefore it shown how much weight Apple pulls.

At the end of the day, the machine is there to compliment your high powered machine. This is ultra-portability for those who travel a lot and are constantly on the move from location to location. This is not for the fam who are going to be sitting at home, reading emails and surfing the web. This machine has a market and it will cater for those in that niche market however much you hate you have. How many people actually use the missing features on a regular basis? This is especially if you have a base system(s) that cater for this. I run PCís and Macs at home, desktopís and laptops (1 of each) and still I can see how this can fit in my set-up. I want one, but not in a rush to get it yet till the SSD drives drop in price.

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128. "so the future is inflated prices for computer hardware with less feature..."
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132. "any new innovation is going to be expensive first...."
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.. and ultra-portability will always come at a cost !!! If you could shrink a mac book pro into a mac book air, then do you not think it would have been done?

Same with a Super Car vrs Saloon car, either way you go you lose something and gain another.

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136. "what innovation?"
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137. "the motherboard and processor size factor for one"
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wireless migration another...

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138. "Whats wireless migration? What does that mean?"
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And the thing isn't even using Intels newest processor so again...what innovation?

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140. "you cannot fit a mac book pro into a mac book air..."
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therefore the fastest processor out there will not fit into the air. The fastest processor of a size that can fit into a mac book air, is what is in the mac book air! Do you know of a processor of that size that is equal or faster ?

Innovation is the introduction of something new or something different. Is the mac book air not an innovation ?

When the Ipod was released, were there not other MP3 players on the market ?

When the Iphone was released were there not other smart phones?

Why then were the Ipod and Iphone called innovations ?

Son, you can google wireless migration and see hows it's application has been harnessed by Apple to provide in true essence what people have hoped to see as wireless migration

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142. "Wtf? fitting a smaller processor into a notebook is not innovation"
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It's called "the nature of technology". By your logic, every new processor that goes into any new laptop first is "innovation". Here's a clue, the processor in the Air is a 60Nm processor. Guess what...thats not the smallest processor Intel makes. I guess when that goes into the next model Toshibas, the Toshiba notebook will be the worlds most innovative notebook. Umm, yeah.

Please.

Secondly, if wireless migration means wirelessly moving your documents and apps from one machine to another, all I can do is laugh at your naivete if you think this hasn't ever been possible on Linux or Windows.

You drank the kool-aid fam.

  

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129. "source?"
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>Also Intel was request
>by Apple to make that processor, therefore it shown how much
>weight Apple pulls.
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I would like you to back that up before I address the rest of this post.


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133. "backed-up in full .... now what ?"
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http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=3203

Plus Jobs mentioned this in the keynote speech so if you have not watched it, maybe you should to get key'ed up on what the Mac Book Air is before arguing against it.

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134. "now nothing, MS fanatics will rationalize that as wrong like O'Reily"
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135. "lol did you even read the entire article?"
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That was some shit that was already in the Intel pipeline.

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139. "step you reading game up and read the whole article..."
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The reviewer (Anand) suspected the processor was already in the pipeline, but goes on to note that this was not the case because the footprint of the Mac Book Air processor together with the packaging and voltage disagree with his suspected view, thus confirming apple did specifically create this for the Mac Book Air and contradicting his earlier published article on the mystry of the processor in the mac book air.

http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/17/intels-custom-processor-for-macbook-air/


It came out of Job's own mouth FFS !!! DO a google search if you have to !!!

The CPU and chipset are both reduced in footprint, we assumed that this might be the case but lacked the visual evidence from Apple to back it up (at least until we can get a MacBook Air in house and take it apart). If you look back at our Montevina SFF diagram from IDF you'll see that the overall platform footprint reduction of 58% comes through reducing both CPU and chipset size, so it makes sense that Intel applied the same technology to the 965 and Merom chips in this case.

The line about lower voltages threw us, we originally assumed that the Core 2 Duos used in the MacBook Air were the L7700 and L7500, both Low Voltage 65nm Meroms running at somewhere between 0.9V and 1.2000V. A little more digging revealed that the chips used in the MacBook Air weren't LV parts after all, but they were lower voltage than the standard mobile Core 2 processors.

The 1.6GHz chip in the MacBook Air runs at 1.0V - 1.25V, while the 1.8GHz part runs at 1.1125V - 1.25V. Note that this is less voltage than a standard mobile Core 2 Duo, but more voltage than the Low Voltage chips. The TDP of these not-quite-low-voltage Core 2s reflects the increased voltage; while the L7700 and L7500 have a 17W TDP, the chips used in the MacBook Air are rated at 20W (standard mobile Core 2 Duo chips are 35W parts).

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141. "You forgot to quote this part:"
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"The packaging technology used for this CPU is what makes it unique; the CPU comes in a package that was originally reserved for mobile Penryn due out in the second half of 2008 with the Montevina SFF Centrino platform. Intel accelerated the introduction of the packaging technology specifically for Apple it seems."

Even MacRumors has that tidbit in their conclusion. Apple used some shit that Intel already had in the works, they didn't commission new tech at all. Go ahead and pat Intel on the back for this, not Apple.


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>Even MacRumors has that tidbit in their conclusion. Apple
>used some shit that Intel already had in the works, they
>didn't commission new tech at all. Go ahead and pat Intel on
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131. "preachin to the choir. some folks will never 'get it' /nm/"
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144. "Engadget rundown on the optical drive (Swipe)"
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I'll reserve judgement or else I'll be dubbed le hateur once again.


Remote Disc: no movie playback, no HD support, and everything else you need to know

One of the more more interesting, albeit minor, announcements at Macworld was Remote Disc, Apple's method to undermine the need to bundle an optical drive with the Air. To our chagrin, Apple also undermined the ability to do much fun or useful with the disc sharing system. Here's what you need to know about Remote Disc, top to bottom:

* The Remote Disc installer is 42.3MB for Mac, and claims to take almost 86MB of space. (Apple let us know it shouldn't take anywhere near that, and the installer app overestimated the space required.) Also, expect a restart of the host Mac. (Windows, ironically, does not require a restart to begin sharing media.)
* Although you can disable the "ask before allowing others to use my drive" sharing option, if you have not done so users will be prompted to ask permission to use the drive at each connection. (Also, there's no client whitelist or anything like that, it's all ask permission, or none.) If you've already asked permission on that drive and disc, if you stop using it and come back to it, you have to ask permission again.
* Every time you ask permission as a Remote Disc client, the host gets a popup asking if it's cool to share your drive. You can, of course, accept or decline (but the only way to stop getting prompts is to turn off disc sharing).
* Ejecting the disc on the client side does not eject it on the host side.
* Ejecting it on the host side, however, gives a host-side prompt about the disc being in use. You can override and eject, however.
* To reinstall or boot from CD using Remote Disc, the host must use the installed Remote Install Mac OS X application. It's a fairly simple process, but sharing an install CD over a wireless network is asking for trouble. It took an absurd amount of time (nearly 10 minutes) to boot over 802.11g. You need bandwidth, so be sure to get on 802.11n or, preferably, wired (with the dongle).
* To remote boot from a shared CD, hold the option key while starting up. You'll be presented with a BIOS-level WiFi / network selection that looks surprisingly unpolished for Apple (but works with WPA and advanced WiFi crypto all the same)

Bummer for media:

* You can browse the file contents of DVD discs, but you cannot actually play that media back over the network. Apple let us know that this only applies to commercial DVD media, and you should be able to play back home-burned iDVD movies via Remote Disc.
* You can't rip DVDs over the network using a tool like Handbrake.
* You can't browse a music CD or listen to tracks. Don't even think about burning a disc remotely.
* Remote Disc appears only to be able to share CD / DVD drives and CD / DVD discs, not high capacity / HD optical drives.
* We tested sharing a regular DVD over an HD DVD drive, no luck. Data CDs on DVD drives worked fine though.

We've heard of some client firewalls harshing on Remote Disc, but we didn't see any issues when testing. Despite its shortcomings, it did work exactly as advertised, and with zero fuss. We miss anything?
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http://blogs.computerworld.com/macbook_air_reccomendation_wait

MacBook Air recommendation: 10 reasons to wait
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As the Macintosh guru in my group of friends and colleagues, the question on everyone's mind over the past week (other than what happened to Apple's stock price!?) is "what do I think of the MacBook Air? - and should I buy one?" Rather than answer everyone separately, let me share my pre-1st hand knowledge/thoughts. Keep in mind, I've been called an Apple Fanboy enough times for me to think it might be true....

The MacBook Air is an amazing piece of machinery. It is ahead of its time on a lot of fronts. However, some details certainly are cause for concern.

1. The processor. Intel is late on their delivery of their ultra-low power 45nm laptop chips. Clearly, the MacBook Air is the exact computer that these types of chips belong in. So Apple and Intel spun it as going out of their way to do something special. That something special was jimmy-ing a 65nm chip onto a board that was made for a 45nm one. The 45 nm chips will be arriving by mid-year and will likely be put in rev 2 of the MacBook Air. They will use less power per CPU cycle and that five hour battery life could easily turn into six - and with the reduced power consumption, they might be able to crank the processor speed up to and beyond 2 Ghz or maybe even fit in some more wireless options..
2. Wireless. I am not talking about Wifi which the Air has the best money can buy, I am talking about 3G/WiMAX here. It isn't built in. For the road warriors that this device is made for, having 3G Internet access is almost a prerequisite. Of course you can get a decidedly unsexy USB 3G "dongle", but Apple is going to eventually have to cave to pressure and start including these things in its products. Dell, HP and others have included this functionality for years! Apple could even partner with their iPhone buddies, AT&T on this and offer a seamless package. Or how about WiMAX with Intel? Intel is building WiMAX into its next round of CPUs. Again. Rev 2
3. As much as I hate to say it about Apple - or any company - Rev 1 parts are glitchy - especially the first ones off of the assembly line. I pre-ordered/picked up one of the first MacBook Pros out of the factory a few years ago. Over the course of that first year, nearly every part on it had to be replaced (Motherboard, HD, battery, etc). It is almost a whole new machine after all of the part swaps. That doesn't mean Apple wasn't quick and happy to replace everything - and it is still a solid machine: I am typing on it now as a matter of fact. However, it was a pain to lose it for a few days at a time and my early impressions of it shot my confidence in its quality. These MacBook Airs are going to be going to the people who don't really have that much patience and desire to send it back to Apple for a few days while they swap defective parts - especially at the price premiums.
4. Option 1: 80Gb Hard Drive. I've booted my MacBook Pro from an iPod before. It isn't fast - I wouldn't want to have to do this on a regular basis - especially on a brand new, expensive machine. Apple may have added a few tricks, but the bottom line is that the 80Gb hard drive is still a 1.8 inch 4200 rpm iPod hard drive - which is not only significantly slower than 2.5 inch drives at 7200RPM but also more prone to damage from shock. Apparently there is not enough room in there for the 160Gb iPod hard drive either - it isn't an option. That is tight! The next round of 1.8 inch drives will be faster, smaller and store more information. Me? I don't want to be using an iPod drive on my laptop - which leads to...
5. Option 2: That $1000 64Gb SSD drive. It is the top of the line, fastest 1.8 inch form factor solid state drive out there. But this is an area that is growing by leaps and bounds. Soon there will be 128Gb (or 96GB - there is a 48Gb SSD drive afterall) sized drives available for this thing. By midyear or earlier they should be hitting the same price points at the current 64Gb SSDs. Meanwhile the 64Gb drives will cost about half of what they do now. Those price points seem a lot more digestable to me.
6. Docks. Right now there isn't much in the way of docking stations for this thing. With the exception of Kensington's USB dock not much comes close. This is definitely a problem in need of a solution. I'd like to see something that plugs into the MicroDVI port as well - and include a superdrive in a sexy package - these laptops aren't going to the aesthetically challenged.
7. Overall speed. The specs of the MacBook Air pretty much line up with a last generation (Rev B) Mac Mini or 1st generation Rev A MacBooks. Some specs are lower, some are higher. So you'd expect a similar experience from this machine. For the high-end target market to which this is obviously aimed, that speed may not sit well.
8. Expandability. Everyone has been talking about the lack of expandability of the MacBook Air - which overall I think is unfair, concessions had to be made. However, some things do stick out. RAM. It doesn't take up much space and I want as much as possible. Apple, make a 4 GB option! Street prices say this should be $300 more (Rev 2?) but Apple charges 2-5 times more than street costs. Realistically, pricing details this small won't matter to high end users. Battery. There have to be more options. I am sure someone will make a MagSafe adaptable external battery/crank/solar charger - but until then, once you use your 4-5 hours, you are SOL until an AC/DC outlet avails itself. Think ten hour overseas flights without power - believe me, they exist.
9. Size. "Thin! thin! thin!" If Apple had its way, that is all you'd hear about. Well that isn't the only dimension that matters. The truth is that this is hardly an utraportable. It has roughly the same footprint as a MacBook - with the same wasted space around the edges of the screen and keyboard. As such, it won't fit in a standard purse like a Sony TZ and won't open as comfortably on a tight airplane ride as a true ultra-portable. Think about it as a MacBook sliced in half. Perhaps Apple will offer a 14 inch screen in Rev 2 that actually goes to the edges of the device or shrink the footprint to the edges of the screen/keyboard. Here is the MacBook Air compared to a full sized MacBook Pro.MacBook Air Compared to aFull sized MacBook Pro
10. Price drops. As this is an Apple/early adopter device, the price will drop significantly for the next round. We saw this in the iPhone and we see it every time Apple astounds us with new products. It isn't just component costs - which will be significant - it's also the ramp up of production numbers which will bring prices way down. This could easily be late 2008 or 2009's MacBook.

But for a lot of people, these things - or anything else - don't matter..You know who I am talking about. The person who:

* saw the machine and said "I have to have it" without needing to hear any of the details
* has virtually unlimited discretionary spending money
* cares much less about the specs and more about aesthetics
* is spending most of his/her time on the web and email - who needs more of something to show off than a real workhorse.

Not to mention that these people will probably be the first ones to get the Rev 2's anyway.

Truthfully, there are a lot of legitimate reasons to snap up one of these beauties - and as they said in the earnings call last week, Apple is getting lots of orders for these things. But they obviously are only for the select few who can justify its unique characteristics.

For the rest of us, it might take some consideration, even if we lust for it like crazy at first glance.


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146. "since when has anyone ever given a shit about thinness?"
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13.3 inches is big. it's not a subcompact. i don't care how thin it is. my vaio is 10 inches, the size of a notebook and just as light as the "air". that's a subcompact. the air is as big as a regular laptop, but has the power of a subcompact. the worst of both worlds.

  

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149. "however much hate, people will buy and this will sell..."
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if ti si not for you , it's not for you, everyone else will make their own justifications why they need ti or not.

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150. "Word. Apple's stock over the past few weeks is totally backing you up"
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151. "Apple's Stock has nothing to do with it..."
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Stocks went down when the Iphone was launched because analyst believed it was two pricey and the single carrier would not work, no email push and the fact IT administrators would not incorprate them ito their networks because of fears such as security etc... fast forward 4 million sold.

Ipod - No wi-fi capability, linked to single software etc etc ... 10 million sold.

Who would have thought apple would boast 1 billon plus profit out of 5 billion revenue ? None of the stock analysts !!!

Generally most people do not look at stock predictions before they go out and buy stuff.

Sig ?
"No matter how good she looks right now, some bloke somewhere is tired of putting up with her sh*t."

Iím going to kill myself tomorrow (The Baumer)

  

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154. "huh? 20% profit margin that bullshit"
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>Who would have thought apple would boast 1 billon plus profit
>out of 5 billion revenue ? None of the stock analysts !!!

too bad thats not true
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3AAAPL

more in the range of 14-16%

  

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152. "you hardcore mac heads are too much"
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this is coming form a guy who is considering buying a iphone, 160 gb ipod, and macbook (regular) within the next couple of months. maybe their stock too, since it has been taken a beating, and go long.

jetblack and co is ready to suck Job's dick from the back so they can sniff the wonderfulness of ass and balls at the same time for another overpriced and underspec'd product that looks cool.

  

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153. "if the MBA was $500..."
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everyone and his uncle would be out getting one, regardless of the lack of features.

Sig ?
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Iím going to kill myself tomorrow (The Baumer)

  

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155. "then it would be attractively priced with its current specs"
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still lack of dvd-drive, slow ipod hard-drive, and no ethernet port makes me think that its not going to be well-recieved

  

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156. "u underestimate MAc fanbois"
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157. "well we already know what the fanboys think"
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but im talking about general public

its simply not an attractive (value-wise) product and people already think that they are going to lower the price within 2 months to begin with.

  

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158. "thats what i am saying.. people are no this like it wont sell..."
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It's going to be recieved and sell like all mac products, loads and then the future revisions will be attractive for all of us to take the dip as well. Half these MBA haters will probably have one in 1 - 2 years when Apple brush it up. I remember when there were only a few mac fans in these threads, now every single day we get the "Brought a new mac, what can i do" threads... late converters

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Iím going to kill myself tomorrow (The Baumer)

  

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159. "No, more like people are like this is stupid and a waste of money"
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We all know the fanboys are foaming at the mouth to cop ASAP. As for the general public? Time will tell.


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160. "LOL wow you're quite the economist there n/m"
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163. "no like jet said, people dont have the money to buy, so they hate"
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it is not for the home user, it is for the business user with much to spare on gadgets, who has the imac, the iphone, the cinema display etc. Not for the student looking to get his first mac

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165. "well u and jet are wrong. i assure u nopayne will hate regardless"
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hasn't that magazine jet puts out been enough to demonstrate that u shouldn't listen to him?


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168. "LMFAO! ^that's my dog! /nm/"
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170. "u gone leak pics of next weaks beauty?"
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174. "patience, young padwan. lolz /nm/"
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171. "nonsense"
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173. "delete"
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nm

  

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175. "um the majority of ppl in high tech can more then afford a MBA"
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these are the same dudes with like $1500 worth of game consoles in their bedrooms
i don't think being able to "afford" something has anything to do with it
i can technically afford to buy a $50 bag of doritos
don't mean it makes sense to if i don't VALUE it to be worth that much
thats what it comes down to
and u keep talking about "business users" will be the main buyer of this
FOH
most business users don't even buy their laptops and most times have no input on which laptop they will be using for business
i'm typing on a wireless thinkpad T61 right now
and thinkpads are the wireless laptop MOST corporations supply their workers with (for whatever reason)
the average buyer of a MBA will be somebody between 18-30 who only cares about style and having the "new shit" and prolly will be using it for recreational type stuff
which makes the MBA a fucking ripoff (like most mac products)

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184. "spending money on consoles dont mean shit to this convo.."
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... someone who spends $3000 on an audio set-up for his house has that as a proirity so will spend that cash in that area, the fact he has $3000 does not mean he will easily spend the same amount on a game console if he has no particular interest in gaming. The people that will but the MBA are people who did not even look at the price to justify thier purchase, these are th guys that spend on gadgets all the time hence have throw away money. Alot of people dont have money to spend on the MBA and then forget about it next month and not even touch it again.

If money was no object i would but the MBA just to play around, it people in that bracket i am talking about.

I know of a well established design agency in the UK that are kitting out thier out-field designers with MBA's. More for the image, but once the designs have been created, you dont need much to show the finished product and what will be the perception of the client when you whip out a MBA ?

Sig ?
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Iím going to kill myself tomorrow (The Baumer)

  

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189. "the point is we all have large amounts of expendable income on here"
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and we all are interested in computers (or else we wouldn't be in this thread)
the MBA does not cost THAT much dude
it's not like we're talking about a bentley or something ONLY a rich person could buy
like someone said earlier, the majority of us if not all could go buy a MBA RIGHT NOW. i think u are overvaluing the effect a $3000 purchase has on the avg. person life
many of the ppl in high tech already have multiple computers to, so it's not a case of we can't afford to add another ...just because. because we can
shit i have 4 laptop alone (3 personal 1 work)
and 2 of my personal laptops i NEVER use, just because i don't give a fuck
i'd buy a MBA if it was actually a good product that did more then look nice
but it's not. that's the point
at least when a rich person buys a $400K ferrari , they are getting something that looks nice AND easily outperforms what the broke ass ppl own
i can go get a toshiba satellite that weighs maybe 2-3 pounds more then the MBA and has similiar specs for like $800
most of the MBA mark up is brand awareness and design marketing
not really innovation or superior technology

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185. "Why are so many people using this argument?"
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As I told Deluge way up above somewhere it's inaccurate and insulting. Someone needs to be in the upper tax bracket to evaluate whether a product is worth buying? What kinda logic is that.

Don't worry about my finances, dude. I'm not worried about yours.


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208. "because they don't have a decent retort, otherwise."
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181. "You mean if it was cheaper than an iPhone??? muha, MUHA, MUHAHAHAHA!!!"
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212. "ppl who don't frequent GD won't get the full hilarity of this:"
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>...ready to suck Job's dick from the back so
>they can sniff the wonderfulness of ass and balls at the same
>time for another overpriced and underspec'd product that looks
>cool.

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jetblack
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161. "lol...y'all still talking about this???!?!?!?!?"
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it's a 'floss' machine.

a second or third machine for people in high tax brackets.

please dead this madness. PDTM!

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164. "fam i kindly ask u to FOH and KIM"
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i have read the specs and nowhere does it say that shit dispenses floss. that would make it almost useful.


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167. "it's a cavity fighter."
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*insert joke..over THERE*

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169. "macbrush?"
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172. "MacBrush Spin. /nm/"
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178. "of course using anything other than iPaste will void your warranty"
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183. "granted, and u gotta get Applecare."
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the RDF demands it.

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192. "word, that Applecare is where it's at"
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186. "lord help you if you run out of iPaste. That's a $500 refill."
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190. "well compared to the price of the iFilling if u get an iCavity......."
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194. "EFFU! it's only $499.99. :) /nm/"
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196. "*noted*"
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176. "lol @ this "2nd or 3rd laptop" excuse"
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i wish there was a way to find out how many laptops ppl in a "higher bracket" own

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177. "if i had a teenage girl i'd get her one."
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for like a bday present. but an actually computer user.... no.

http://youtu.be/5o37GORoKUQ

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179. "word"
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180. "that is the point though..."
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no one sees this as a stand-alone machine, it a compliment to another system which is usually fixed as a desktop or portable but a bit weighty to carry around.

For me personally, it makes sense because when i travel i have to take both laptops with me (1 Pc + 1 mac) and since airport regulations are a bastard i have to carry both in one bag. A MBA with a SSD would save alot of pain to me as i already have a frozzen shoulder from laptop bag strains.

Checking emails on the plan / in the terminal etc, do some light work etc is something that will nake the mba appeal to me because i never have the need in those situations to use a optical drive or ethernet port. The ultra-portability in this sense, makes sense.

Also when i am on vendor sites, no need to lug my bigger laptops as it probably a presentation here and there, a excel spreadsheet etc. No major processor hungry / graphic card hungry apps, so to me and people in my situation, MBA is a compliment and is appealing.

Would i get one or have i already ordered one? No, but not for the reasons all you haters are calling out

Sig ?
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182. "i can ask a random resident of Santa Fe, NM"
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they b rish up thurr.

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187. "Personally I'm just trying to push this to double plat."
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188. "it's great to have goals. :) /nm/"
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191. "almost"
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209. "second or third machine in higher tax brackets? omg this is hilarious."
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wtf is a ngga first machine?

http://most-expensive.net/laptop-world

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197. "iThink so"
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hater.

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204. "Maybe I was wrong guys the battery is easy to replace (SWIPE)"
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You're just a mere 19 screws away from doing it yourself! Just buy an extra battery and swap that puppy out on the plane. If a screw ends up rolling off your lap into the oblivion who cares? You have 18 left anway!


http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2008/01/25/macbook-air-battery-fairly-simple-for-mortals-to-replace

MacBook Air battery fairly simple for mortals to replace

By David Chartier | Published: January 25, 2008 - 11:58AM CT

As it turns out, the official word from Apple on the MacBook Air's battery replacement program may be even more dismal than some feared. While the $129 cost of getting a battery replaced is more or less the cost of the battery itself, owners will reportedly need to send their MacBook Air off to Apple for about a week to actually get the job done. Or will they?

Gizmodo opened up a MacBook Air review unit from Apple (tsk tsk!) and learned that it's pretty sexy on the inside. It also shot a video (which Apple has requested be taken down, for now) of going through the actual process of replacing the battery, and it is apparently pretty simple. AppleInsider recounts that the process involves removing 10 screws underneath the machine to get the bottom plating off, then another nine screws to unleash the battery. Assuming that a third-party offers a battery replacement eventually (or Apple relents and provides the kit for home users to do this themselves), the MacBook Air's battery situation could soon look a little brighter for those planning to keep one for the long haul.


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http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/25/macbook-air-review/

MacBook Air review

Posted Jan 25th 2008 4:44PM by Ryan Block
Filed under: Features, Laptops

It fits in a manila folder, you can slide it under a door, and if you threw it hard enough you could probably chop someone in half with the thing. It's the thinnest, and if we may say so, sexiest laptop around today: the MacBook Air. But looks aren't everything to everyone, and despite all the rhetoric about being a no-compromises ultraportable, Apple did leave plenty on the cutting-room floor in its quest to make an absurdly thin ultraportable that doesn't skimp on a full size keyboard or roomier 13-inch display. But, as many potential buyers have been asking themselves since last week, is the Air right to be your next machine? Read on, we'll tell you what we think.

Hardware
It's hard to take lightly (har) the purposeful design that went into the Air, it's simply and without a doubt the most beautiful laptop we've seen in a while. Sure, there have been thinner, lighter laptops that take up fewer cubic centimeters -- but that's not really on trial. The goal of the Air was clear: create a Mac that frequent fliers wouldn't be ashamed of, or in physical pain to lug around. But therein lies the rub. The Air simply doesn't have the power to be many users' primary machine, while also lacking many of the features considered necessity by business travelers. More on that in a minute, though.

Gallery: The MacBook Air has landed


There are a lot of things that the Air gets right, and a decent amount of horsepower is one of 'em. Apple didn't take the easy route and go with an etiolated Ultra Low Voltage (read: ultra low performance) chip, they actually pushed Intel to repackage a slower version of its full-on Core 2 Duo processor. We were a little disappointed when Steve announced this wasn't the new power-efficient, lower-heat 45nm Penryn chip design, but in the time we've played with the Air, it's still rarely managed to output enough heat to raise an eyebrow. This is actually a laptop that belongs on your lap -- without any fear of sterility. Of course, as our Mac-on-Mac benchmarks showed, the 1.6GHz chip is still a little on the slow side, but the Air is by no means unusable. It's not really one of Steve's "screamers" -- but ultraportables aren't really intended to be.


The 13-inch LED backlit screen not only sips power where larger CCFL backlit displays guzzle, it also looks amazing: crisp, bright, and vibrant. Where other small laptops use 8-11-inch screens that are nigh-unreadable by many a squinty Engadget editor, for a laptop of this size the Air gives plenty of screen real estate to get things done. Unfortunately, Apple only offers this display with a glossy finish, so if you're fond of the matte or work outside or near a window, be forewarned. The bezel around the display is a little thick for our tastes, and the lid might not tilt back as far as we'd like due to the physical constraints of the joint design, but these are relatively minor complaints.


Also rare for an ultraportable is the Air's full-size keyboard, which adds some (worthy) width to the body. Those fond of the ridgeless, separated key design as found in MacBook and iMac / Mac pro keyboards will feel right at home. We're not too into this design, but unlike almost every ultraportable we've owned, the Air's keyboard feels thoroughly solid and sturdy. The keys are tactile, not at all mushy, and backlit to boot. Typing on the Air is a pleasure, not a chore. The keyboard also happens to be where the MacBook Air emits audio -- beneath right home row keys (k, l, ;, ') is the Air's tinny mono speaker, which seems and sounds more like an afterthought.


The Air's integrated 802.11n worked well with our stock D-Link 802.11n router, and transferred data at about 3-4MBps -- we were certainly satisfied with its wireless performance. The Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR as a standard option is also nice, but it's immediately clear the Air needed some integrated 3G, especially considering its lack of an ExpressCard slot.

Where a lot of other machines might have ports and protrusions along their edges, the Air has none -- it swoops inward from the edge to the base with only two spots for plugs, a new, 90-degree angled MagSafe power connector on the left underside, and a clicky, extremely sturdy-feeling foldable door that is impossible to open while resting on the table, and basically requires picking the entire machine up. This exposes the Air's only three ports: one USB 2.0, one micro-DVI, and one headphone. But here we begin with the design sacrifices, and at the top of the list is the lack of a user replaceable battery.

Gallery: Apple MacBook Air first hands-on


For some this might be an issue, but for others -- especially those on the road for long periods of time without access to a power outlet -- a deal-breaker. The Air uses a 37 Watt/hour lithium polymer (compared to the MacBook Pro's 60WH lithium-ion), and using our normal tests -- full screen brightness, WiFi and Bluetooth on, no attached peripherals -- under medium usage (light browsing and watching a 1:20 h.264 movie) we got a mere 2 hours and 25 minutes. Under lighter usage (browsing, some audio playback, no movies) we got closer to 3 hours and 35 minutes. Not bad, but still nowhere near the 5 hours Apple promises (under ideal conditions, surely).







Thankfully, the Air's power adapter is as impressively proportioned as the laptop, so taking it with you won't be much of an issue. But users of current generation adapters be warned: the Air's MagSafe implementation won't always work with your current MagSafe adapters simply because the angle and location make it physically impossible to accommodate when used on a table. Hardly a huge issue, we know. But things get worse on the connectivity side. The USB port is recessed enough that, while we're sure it meets USB Implementers Forum's design spec, it realistically won't accommodate most 3G modems without a USB extension cable, and some flash drives, as we learned yesterday. Even the headphone port had a difficult time accommodating our Shure E4C phones. We got stereo audio, but a high pitched hissing from not being fully plugged in and grounded. (This went away when we used a better-fitting audio extension cable.)

Gallery: MacBook Air review (misc)


The micro-DVI port is also not physically compatible with the mini-DVI port on your MacBook and previous Apple laptops, so it requires some new connection accessories for VGA and DVI out, which are thankfully included in the box. Since the Air doesn't have a powerful (but space and power-consuming) discrete graphics adapter, you'll only be able to drive a 24-inch display, although for many that should probably be sufficient. (Games and movie watching also suffer because of the integrated graphics, since some of that visual load is taken on by the CPU.) Also integrated is the Air's 2GB of RAM, built directly into its insanely small motherboard; processors rarely need to be swapped in laptops, but are you willing to bank on a couple of years' use without having to upgrade your RAM? Perhaps a lot of people are, but we're not.

The Air also uses a slower 80GB 1.8-inch drive, the same kind that powers many portable media players. While probably sturdy enough to withstand normal use, it's nowhere near as fast as your average 2.5-inch laptop drive, and will always be behind in storage should you chose to upgrade later. If you can afford to spring for the 64GB SSD option, we highly suggest it -- your machine's reliability, performance, and battery life will all get a boost (at the expense of 16GB of space and a ton of cash, naturally). Oddly overlooked for inclusion is the Apple Remote; the Air certainly has the necessary sliver of an IR sensor for making use of one, but the remote isn't included, despite being found in the box of just about every other Apple machine. Oh, and for those wondering, the Air's built-in iSight is the VGA variety.

Despite its shortcomings on the hardware and specs side, though, it's hard to say enough about how well made the Air feels -- a particularly important point when you're taking your machine everywhere. Whereas most smaller laptops try to cut weight with inner metal frames and flimsy plastic bodies, the Air bulks up a bit with an all-metal enclosure that looks and feels like it was carved out of a single piece of aluminum. Only time will tell if metal in the Air's wrist rest area will pit out and blacken like MacBook Pros and PowerBooks of years past, but the machine definitely gets extremely high marks for its the physical engineering. And no, we're not at liberty to drop test Apple's review unit, sorry!

Software



Just like every other Apple machine, the Air runs Leopard -- albeit a slightly different build (9B2324). The only changes made have to do with taking advantage of the machine's oversized touchpad, which now supports multi-finger gestures in system prefs. Apple thoughtfully actually includes in-line instructional videos for learning how the gestures work (and how to make them), like the three-finger sweep for backward and forward in Safari, or using two fingers to rotate an image in iPhoto. This is just the beginning of touchpad-based multi-touch, and while it's not always the most practical way to do things (cmd+R or L seems to us an easier way to rotate a photo), it's intuitive and well-integrated.

Apple also hasn't released any information for third party developers on how to integrated touch gestures into their apps, so until they do, only Apple apps will be able to take advantage of the new input methods. It's obvious that, with time, Apple will be rolling out multi-touch on their other machines, but for now they claim that current hardware cannot support this input, so don't expect to see any (official) software updates to enable multi-touch.

Another feature rolled out is Remote Disc, Apple's new system for sharing the optical drives of networked Macs and PCs with the drive-less Air. As we quickly learned, you should be prepared to have as much bandwidth as possible between the Air and your host machine, -- and don't be disappointed when you can't do everything with Remote Disc that you can do with a regular drive. There's no commercial media playback, no HD support, no ripping, no burning -- it's really only meant for installing apps, downloading data, or reinstalling the OS (more on that in a second). On the upshot, it did work seamlessly when we tried it.


Still, we think the Air's external USB SuperDrive (which only works with the Air, mind you) is a necessity. There simply isn't any way to transparently replace all the functionality of an optical drive yet, so we're kind of bummed Apple didn't just include the thing in box. There's no question that a laptop really doesn't need an optical drive at all times, and we've always been happy to omit them. But having to shell out $99 to buy the drive separately just doesn't sit well with us.

Wrap-up
The Air is a tough call. On the one hand it proposes to be a no-compromises ultraportable, but on the other hand it compromises many (but not all) the things road warriors want. We're all about removing unnecessary frills and drives (we rejoiced the day the original iMac bucked the floppy), but laptops are increasingly becoming many users' primary -- often only -- machines, which is why the Air's price doesn't do it any favors, either. It's hard to justify almost two grand for a second laptop (or a third machine) just for travel needs -- and even then, that's only easily done if all your data lives in the cloud. Given those sacrifices and that higher-end sticker, it's more than likely not going to replace most peoples' current workhorse laptop.

This all might look a bit different if the Air was a little closer to MacBook price range, though. We're thinking $1500 could be a sweet spot, especially if bundled with the wired Ethernet dongle and SuperDrive. But we're not going to kid ourselves, either; the Air isn't supposed to be everything for everyone. For those in need of a machine that masters basics in a super thin, light form-factor, and who have the coin to pay for that ultraportability, the Air absolutely nails it like few others.

Given its stripped down, one-piece design, some are calling the Air the iPod of laptops. The point is debatable as to whether this machine could have the same appeal to computer users, but if there is one clear upshot to the Air, it's that Apple's learned to take the next step in miniaturizing their portable computers. While not all Mac users are going to stand in line to get this latest machine, Apple is doubtless welcomed back into the ultraportable laptop market by the technology world. Perhaps the largest side-effect of the Air won't be ditching optical drives, though; for the rest of Apple's consumer base it's now just a matter of time before other Mac laptop lines benefit from the technical and engineering advances that made this thing so thin and light. Give us the lovechild of the MacBook Air and the MacBook Pro, and it's all over.
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215. "Ars compares the SSD and HDD version: lols ensue"
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I swear I'm wearing out the 'L' button on my keyboard at this point. Apparently there are few advantages to shelling out the dough for the SSD version. Most of the benefits come from a faster CPU.

smh. People will still buy it though.

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/macbook-air-ssd-review.ars

No spin: Ars reviews the MacBook Air with solid state drive

By Jacqui Cheng | Published: February 05, 2008 - 11:56PM CT
What does $1,300 extra really get you?

The MacBook Air is nice, but as we discovered in our in-depth review, not everything is sunshine and rosesóat least with the hard drive model. But there's a higher-end Air as welló1.8GHz with a 64GB solid-state flash drive instead of your traditional ATA hard drive. We picked up an SSD Air so that we could try it out, run some benchmarks, and report back to you on how much (or little) of a difference that extra $1,300 makes.

Tech specs
MacBook Air SSD MacBook Air hard drive
CPU 1.80GHz Core 2 Duo 1.60GHz Core 2 Duo
Memory 2GB 2GB
Video Intel GMA X3100, 144MB Intel GMA X3100, 144MB
FSB 800MHz 800MHz
Weight 3lb 3lb
Hard drive 64GB solid state 80GB 4200rpm PATA
Imaginary battery life
5 hours 5 hours
Benchmarks

No, the SSD Air is not "instant-on." Unfortunately, it took 28.5 seconds to boot. Fortunately, that's still 12 seconds faster than the HDD model and 11.5 seconds faster than the Santa Rosa MacBook. It was still 2.5 seconds slower than the Santa Rosa MacBook Pro, however.

We performed all the same benchmarks on our SSD model as we did on the HDD model, including Xbench, Cinebench, and our three application benchmarks. Take a look at the results below.


As expected, the SSD Air performed better than the HDD Air in most tests, as its clock speed is slightly higher (1.8GHz versus 1.6GHz). But what we're really interested in are the disk tests, as those tell us exactly how well the SSD performs against the 4200rpm drive in the HDD model.

The overall disk test scores aren't much differentó29.37 on the HDD and 34.30 on the Air. But the SSD performs a fair amount worse than the HDD model when it comes to sequential read and write tests. The SSD was able to write sequentially between 14.67 and 13.86MB/sec, and sequentially read between 7.29 and 49.59MB/sec (the first and second numbers are differentiated by the size of the blocks being written). Comparatively, the HDD model sequentially writes between 31.35 and 33.33MB/sec, and reads between 6.32 and 32.74MB/sec for the same-sized blocks.

But the random disk test is where the SSD model outpaces the HDD. The SSD's overall random read/write score was more than 40 percent higher than that of the HDD. While the HDD model was writing 256k blocks at 22.95MB/sec, the SSD Air was writing at 19.04MB/sec. But read speeds are significantly faster, and the HDD model read the 256k blocks at 14.37MB/sec while the SSD read at 47.61MB/sec.

For those of you who skimmed that last couple of paragraphs, the summary is: the SSD does worse in sequential disk tests and writing in general, but spanks the HDD in random disk tests and reading from the disk.

The results for Cinebench are considerably less interesting and only put the SSD Air a bit ahead of the HDD Air. Considering the minor difference in clock speed, the fact that the two are neck-and-neck isn't all that surprising.

Given what we learned from the Xbench's disk test scores, it's pretty easy to understand why the application benchmarks turned out like they did. The SSD fared poorly against the HDD model when it came to encoding a 60MB QuickTime movie to iPod formatówrite speeds aren't high on the SSD.

Unzipping the WebKit archive, on the other hand, was very quick. The WebKit build was comparatively quick as wellóit only took 31 minutes compared to the HDD's model 46 minutes, although the SSD model was still noticeably slower than the Santa Rosa MacBook and the MacBook Pro.


Like the Cinebench results, PSBench pits the two MacBook Airs against each other and shows similar results in many of the tests. When there is a difference between the two, the SSD model slightly outperforms the HDD model. Again, most of these results are expected, given the slight advantages that the SSD model has over the HDD in clock speed.

But how does it feel?

I used the SSD model in the same manner I used the HDD modelómostly for writing, surfing, chatting, the occasional photo tweak, and watching a bit of streaming video. For the most part, the SSD model felt exactly the same as the HDD modelóthe OS can only get so Snappyô before it all blends together. Going about my daily business, I couldn't tell a noticeable difference between the two machines in terms of everyday speed. Clockspeed-wise, they're only 200MHz apart, after all.

However, one major difference I saw while using the SSD model is that it didn't suffer entire machine slowdowns when there was a lot of disk activityóor at least less so than the HDD model. When reviewing the HDD model, using a high I/O browser like Firefox or transferring files over the network to my hard drive threw me more beachballs than a Girls Gone Wild party and rendered the machine relatively useless. The SSD model exhibited little of this behavioróif I were to take my totally unscientific experience and translate it into a number, I would say that such slowdowns were reduced by 90 percent.

That's not 100 percent, because when combining elements to create the perfect storm of disk activity flurryóusing a lot of tabs in Firefox, transferring something to my hard drive, and watching some streaming video on Huluóthings did still manage to get pokey. The video was jerky (but still somewhat watchable, unlike before) and switching between tabs wasn't as quick as it could have been. The level of slowdown had been significantly reduced, but it was still there. Your mileage may vary, of course, depending on your usage.

I must admitóit's nice to be able to consistently use the love/hate of my life, Firefox, once again.
Battery life

In the discussion thread for our MacBook Air review, many readers questioned whether my (average) 2.5 hour battery life was legitimate. I was constantly using the machine during that time as I described above and on lowest brightness (since that's how I actually use a notebook) and with WiFi on but Bluetooth offóhere at Ars, we believe in real-world battery tests, not just turning everything off and pretending the thing isn't on just to see how long it will last while looping a song. My times ranged from 2 hours and 19 minutes to 2 hours and 44 minutes, depending on what I was doing during that time span.

Speaking to others about the battery life of the Air, my averages turned out to be, well, pretty average. Based on actual use, users I spoke to were getting between 2:00 and 2:45 depending on screen brightness and levels of disk activity. Taking that into consideration, we are (or wereókeep reading) confident that the HDD model's battery life is indeed the real deal.

But what's the battery life on the SSD model actually like? One of the major benefits of an SSD drive, aside from speed in some areas, is its savings on battery life since there are no moving parts. No hard drive head to haul around means one less thing to power constantly, and I had high hopes for the battery life on the SSD model. Unfortunately, I was met with only moderate gains when there were any at all.

When using the SSD Air in exactly the same manner as the HDD Air and running it down twice, I got an average of 2 hours and 31 minutes of battery life. That's... pretty bad, and two minutes lower than the HDD model. But this number is low because of the two extremes I got when running these tests. My first number was 2 hours and 52 minutes, and the second was 2 hours and 10 minutes. Incidentally, I did less during the second rundown than the first, since my cable service was down and I couldn't do anything on the Internet. I wrote a few paragraphs of this review and watched some TV shows stored on my drive.

If I optimistically decide to run with the first numberó2 hours and 52 minutesóthat's a 29 minute (average) gain over the HDD's battery life. That's still not the massive gain that I had hoped for. Again, battery life turned out to be a disappointment.

It's important to note that some users don't appear to be experiencing this poor level of battery life on their SSD units. For example, David Heinemeier Hansson (creator of Ruby on Rails) told us that he can get between four and five hours on his SSD MacBook Air at half brightness and while working normally. Needless to say, that hasn't been my experience at all, so I attempted to look into the discrepancy.

Both the HDD and SSD models that I have show a full charge capacity of close to 5000mAhóthe HDD model tops out at 5046mAh and the SSD model at 5004mAh. We asked around and found out that other Air owners (of both models) were seeing numbers between 4900mAh and 5100mAh. These same people reported similar battery lifeóbetween 2 and 2.5 hours on the HDD model, and between 2:45 and 3 hours on the SSD. Hansson said that he was seeing 4934mAh, so our only explanation is that he was either doing work that wasn't as "intensive" as I was (which is odd, considering that I didn't do anything intensive) or something else is wrong with an entire batch of batteries.

We plan to continue looking into this issue in the coming days and weeks. (If you're reading this and you are experiencing something vastly different than we are, please shoot me an e-mail!)
So, is it worth it?

The $1,300 question is whether the SSD is worth the extra cash. The answer seems to be no. I experienced only moderate gains in battery life and not very noticeable speed differences. The one major benefit of the SSD model is that it doesn't cause the same types of slowdowns as the HDD model during times of high disk activity, and that's certainly a huge plus. Speedy read times are great, too, but they are balanced out by pokey write times.

Still, even if it's more usable, it's hard to justify the huge price difference for the SSD model. If you've got an extra $1,300 to blow and, for some reason, haven't just bought a second computer with it, perhaps the SSD model is for you. For anyone else looking to buy an Air, the HDD model appears to provide the most bang for the buck.
(Compared to the HDD model)
The Good:

* No more entire machine slowdowns! (well, most of the time...)
* Speedy boot, disk read, and build times

The Bad:

* The moderate gains in everyday use aren't worth $1,300

The Ugly:

* Battery life. Still.



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216. "if only you could channel all of this ... n/m"
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218. "i say 'meh' to you. meh. /nm/"
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219. "Is that 1300 PLUS 1800?????????!!!!!!!!!"
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220. "No n/m"
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221. "yessir 3gs for this mofo"
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222. "the hate is strong with this one - Yoda"
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Amazing how the post is in triple figues about how bad something is as opposed to how good something is. Love or Hate is better than indifference

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227. "lol.. quest-ion ..can someone say case ?"
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even with my pc laptop i carry around a leather padded case before i put it into a bag, then into an overhead locker. With the way people pack stuff into those compartments i am not suprised.

First L is thinking it is "as" durable as a normal latop, that was never claimed

Second L was the not having a case and putting it into a overhead baggage locker on a plane !!!

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229. "You remind me of this guy:"
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228. "note to self: send ?uesto a new RDF. /nm/"
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232. "sounds like his own fault though"
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never would I let go of my laptop; it's packed in my laptop bag which is put under the seat in front of me. and it was an Air? it's like putting a fucking saltine in the compartment.

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230. "LOL even the Woz thinks this thing is a flop (swipe!)"
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http://www.macworld.com.au/blogs/view/macbook-air-won-t...it-steve-wozniak-286/2/

MacBook Air won't be a hit: Steve Wozniak

Mar 3, 2008

If thereís one good thing Telstra has done for this country, itís paying to bring Steve Wozniak over to launch a broadband conference being held by the Australian Communication Industry Association.

Woz spoke for an hour in a keynote speech to launch the conference, as well as giving a half hour Q&A session for journalists. Warm and jovial as ever, Woz gave fascinating answers to all sorts of topics. But his most interesting commentary wasnít on Australiaís broadband situation, but his thoughts on recent Apple product releases.

For example, he is frustrated with the new Apple TV, even though he says it is a tremendous step forward in the delivery of entertainment over the internet.

ďThe Apple TV is a really good indication of the future of the world. I donít think itís taking off yet, though. I donít think the new technology is going to get recognised in the same way the Macintosh did Ö now every computer in the world is a Macintosh.

ďThe AppleTV has problems Ö once I start watching , I have to finish in 24 hours. My life is way too mobile and unpredictable for that. I donít want to have to pay again to watch the rest the next night.

"I donít like to be given control of something by remote control, then have restrictions put up against me about how I can use it. That interferes with my feeling of humanness.Ē

And while he carries an iPhone in his pocket everywhere, he was surprised when Steve Jobs announced it had 2G support only.

ďTo tell you the truth, I was really disappointed when the iPhone was introduced. I was in the audience, and half the phones that AT&T sold at that time were all 3G phones. I had 3G phones and non-3G phones and I knew the difference, so I was shocked because Apple was bringing full internet with full web pages, and I was surprised that it would not be 3G, and I knew that that would be a speed detriment.

ďI suffice with it in a lot of cases, and whenever it gets to the point where things are loading too slowly, Iíll look at it later on my laptop. So, I canít give you any clues as to when itís coming, but itís sorta been known since day one that it would be here.

ÔÄĘ"I was surprised, because Apple normally is into the future technologies Ö looking where the world is going and trying to be one jump ahead. 3G phones still work at the slower speeds, if the network isnít established enough.Ē

He says he is not so sure it was solely a battery life issue. ďI donít understand why it would be a battery issue. I get as much life on my 3G phones as I do on my non-3G phones. Maybe Iím wrong, maybe Iím not paying close enough attention. But I donít think thatís it though.Ē

Earlier in his keynote speech, he said that he often turned to his Razr as the first choice for internet searching, simply because it was faster.

ďI carry multiple phones with me, some for one purpose, some for another purpose. I have normal slower phones, and I have 3G phones. And I find that when it comes to having a question like, 'What year was Jerry-Lee Lewis born', before I hit enter on the Google search on a slower phone, I realise Iíll get the answer quicker on my 3G Razr. Speed of mobile internet is so important to me,Ē Woz said.

He is also torn over the MacBook Air. He loves the form factor, and thinks he will make do with the feature compromises for the sake of having the coolest, slimmest thing, but doesnít think it will be a big hit sales-wise.

ďOccasionally, I like products when they are smaller, nicer, good styling Ö itís sort of like a little way to show something off. Like, youíre a geek, and you can be in the first place Ö in the top category. The MacBook Air Ö actually I like it. At first, I thought, itís so feature-missing, and I use Ö I burn DVDs a lot to pass files to other people. I watch movies on airplanes. I need one that will go an entire flight and switch batteries, when thereís sometimes no power on the plane.

ďSo, a lot of its missing features bothered me, but when I got it, for some reason, the way its keyboard is, I can type faster, itís a more comfortable, positive experience.

ďSo Iím trying to figure out a way to make the Air part of my life, because Iím a one-laptop-only person. Iíve got to now change my approach and have a desktop tower computer at home, keeping all my big data, which I donít have enough disk space on the Air for, and I can finally take my Air around with me and use it.

ďBut I kind of want to. I donít think itís a benefit if you have to carry around a DVD player with you, a couple of extra dongles to connect to Ethernet and things, and maybe an extra hard disk to carry your music on Ö but still, itís the appearance.

ďI really like it. But I donít think itís going to be a hit. I know some people love it and it works great, they have a computer at work, and they use their Air to give presentations, but I donít see a mass swing over to them.Ē

And since Woz was giving a fairly robust critique of Apple's lineup, we asked him whether his old business partner Steve Jobs ever gets antsy about his comments.

"Very seldom. He calls me and he says he doesnít like something that I was reputed to have said. But he gets it out of context. A reporterís seized on a comment and strung along with that. Iím very positive on Apple, but Iíll also point out things that could be better, or arenít the way Iíd like them to be. But weíre very good friends. Weíve never argued over these things Ö but occasionally heíll ring me and say 'thanks a lot!'

"But Iíll say, 'Steve, think about it! Iím saying the same thing as you!' I got ganged up on recently at a conference Ö Apple lowered the price on the iPhone and I got asked what I thought. I said, 'well, it was kinda overpriced, and they dropped the price too much, too fast'. Well, Apple had already said that. They apologised, gave a hundred bucks back, and I was saying the same thing as Apple. I got accused of trashing Apple! All I was doing was plagiarising Apple!"
Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak

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The AppleTV has problems. Once I start watching, I have to finish in 24 hours. My life is way too mobile and unpredictable for that. Steve Wozniak




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231. "it's just not practical today to not have an optical drive"
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built-in.

I can live w/o FireWire but WTF @ 1 USB port and no Ethernet.

oh and the Woz is teh b3st!

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235. "his comments on Apple may get taken out of context:"
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http://www.macrumors.com/2008/03/03/woz-on-macbook-air-3g-iphone-reporters/

On the MacBook Air, while he likes the design, he remains uncertain if it will fit into his lifestyle:
The MacBook Air Ö actually I like it. At first, I thought, itís so feature-missing, and I use Ö I burn DVDs a lot to pass files to other people. I watch movies on airplanes. I need one that will go an entire flight and switch batteries, when thereís sometimes no power on the plane.


Ironically, Woz also relates how his comments on Apple may get taken out of context:
calls me and he says he doesnít like something that I was reputed to have said. But he gets it out of context. A reporterís seized on a comment and strung along with that. Iím very positive on Apple, but Iíll also point out things that could be better, or arenít the way Iíd like them to be.

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233. "agreed.....shit is purely cosmetic....n/m"
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234. "MacBook Air aflutter: demand stays strong, sold out often (swipe)"
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http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080302-macbook-air-aflutter-demand-stays-strong-sold-out-often.html

It might not be the iPhone, but the MacBook Air is selling much stronger than many of us would have guessed. After a full month of being on the market, the MacBook Air is still a difficult commodity to obtain in some markets (not all), and Apple is still quoting a 5-7 business day minimum shipping time even for the most standard models ordered from its web site.
Meanwhile, Amazon won't be shipping orders until March 16 now, and many customers who run to a Best Buy thinking they'll find one hiding out there will be surprised: there aren't many to go around. One Best Buy source (not a retail floor worker) told me that Apple has kept them pretty thin on stock. Now I can see why.

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In and around Boston, the motto this weekend at Apple Stores was "no Air for you." Cambridgeside, North Shore, Burlington, even Natick were out of stock. An employee at the Burlington store told me that demand has been extremely high, admitting that some customers even ponied up for the far more expensive MacBook Air SSD because they stayed in stock longer. North Shore's staff was telling people they had "no idea" when more units would come in.

We heard reports from readers this weekend that the MacBook Air was also out of stock in New York City, Chicago, San Francisco, and Los Angeles. Doing some checking of our own, we learned these stores are getting daily refreshes of stock. An employee at the Michigan Avenue Apple Store in Chicago told me when I called, "We have one, but we can't take reservations, as it's first-come, first-served." He then warned me, "Unless you can get here soon, it will probably be gone, so I'd just call back tomorrow morning. We'll definitely have more in the next few days."

The Fifth Avenue store in Manhattan had "just got a refresh" according to a "genius" there, but they didn't expect the stock to last a day. The San Francisco stores are out of non-SSD MacBook Airs, and we heard similar tales at stores in Los Angeles. Even an employee at London's Regent Street Apple Store told us that the machines are selling out the moment they get in. In some markets, however, there's plenty to go around. Calling the Indianapolis location, we were told that they had "more than enough" to meet demand.

Just as with the iPhone launch, Apple is restocking nearly every day, particularly in major markets. So, while you might not be able to get a MacBook Air today in Boston, tomorrow is a new day.

A recurring theme in our discussions with the folks at the Apple Store (who just love to gab, it must be a job requirement) is that the MacBook Air is a switcher device. The perception that this puppy is the leanest, meanest portable there is has road warriors starry-eyed. When we feigned amazement at the product being out of stock in multiple locations, we were told time and time again that demand for the Air is increasing as people see it in action, in person. Of course, these are paid Apple employees telling us this, and they have a sales job to do. At the same time, we've heard plenty of similar anecdotes in the past week.

Apple, of course, remains silent on the early successes of the MacBook Air. There's speculation out there that Apple simply didn't order near enough machines from the manufacturer, and therefore the shortages aren't truly reflective of sales. That may be the case, but according to the Apple Store sales rank widget, the MacBook Air has been the top selling Mac since before the middle of February, outselling the MacBook, the iMac, and the MacBook Proóthis, despite week-long shipping delays.

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