I'll be writing a new message board. The chances of OKP actually picking it up are slim of course, but I still want to write a next gen message board because, let's face it, all message boards suck dirty asshole. Especially in light of new web applications like Google maps/suggest, gmail, yahoo 360, etc.

So.. I'll be keeping you guys informed over the next few weeks about my progress. Suggestions will be seriously considered.

I got questions the first time I asked for suggestions about others helping, and the answer is that once I get a decent prototype running I'll probably be able to use outside help. The initial design, though, I think works better with one (obsessive) programmer.

I could REALLY use a list of stuff you guys think would make a message board better. I'll also be adding suggestions as I think of them, so expect to see this thread around for a little while. Maybe once I get a prototype up people wil be more willing to chip in...

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Sucks when you're 80% done with a two page post and you have to go all of a sudden. You can email it to yourself or whatever but that blows. The message board should handle that.

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a la gmail's reply functionality.

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Ping the server with the timestamp of the last thread you saw. If there are newer ones, load them in the background.

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so that you can have a list of ppl who cannot pm you and you cant see their posts within threads
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because i've gotten plenty of useful info from folks that i don't like. Plus, it would cause things to get REAL confusing, because people would be carrying on with the convo with that person's opinion and info, and now the convo may not make sense to you because you never saw it.

would be very effective in dealing with aliases that you fucking hate tho. not so much a problem in hugh tech, but over in GD or activist, they would love it

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Another factor to consider is how it would have an effect on the "Reply with quote" button.
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if someone quotes the person u have on igg, you can see what they said
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*still missing Luther......*sobs*
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there are some ppl on here i care never to hear from again
on another forum i am on, it has that feature, and its not disruptive at all. if you dont reply to someone , chances are they figure out they are igged.
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Be able to search for threads with multiple authors.
Keyword searching (e.g., "author:triptych title:books blink")
Search for threads with a minimum/maximum number of replies.

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DO you want a link to a board that I believe is running shit?

I guess you would technically have to join to see it all in action, but damn is it fly. So easy, quick, no new pages - EVER.

http://www.Pirate4x4.com/forum

I go by del3030k over there, if you get on, and want to work that PM feature out. The shit's insane. And free membership gives you everything but a custom avatar and the ability to host pictures on their server. You can remote link them, and see them on the page though.

Think of the new paradigms of richly interactive web applications. These guys don't fit.

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>Be able to search for threads with multiple authors.
>Keyword searching (e.g., "author:triptych title:books blink")
>Search for threads with a minimum/maximum number of replies.
>
>


Are you using Firefox? I have a little configuration that I picked up somewhere that lets me use the Google to search only a specific forum for posts. It's kinda rudimentary, but it's much faster.

And, I can use it from any website, meaning I don't have to be on Okayplayer to search the forums here. I've got one set up for all the forums I frequent.

K

So what kind of tech are you thinking about putting into this thing? I'm wondering what type of bandwidth difference AJAX would have for a board like this.
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And if the few assumptions I've made about traffic patterns are correct. For instance, consider the case of replying to a post and then refreshing the page to see if there have been any other replies. Under the current system, the entire page is reloaded each time. With a decent Ajax implementation, if you're in the same post only the incremental changes would be downloaded.

So, take this post:
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=1265084&mesg_id=1265084&page=

When I checked it, there were 93 replies and the total page size is 370K. HUGE. If I make a reply, and want to view the post again, I load ANOTHER 370K. With Ajax, not only could I reply and not have to reload the page, but I could see other people's new replies without reloading the page. The only thing I'd have to reload are the new posts (~4K/post). This bandwidth savings would translate to real money for a heavily trafficked site like OKP, as well as reduce latency and improve the overall experience for all users.

On top of all this, I'd strive to write the layout using rather minimal and well-organized XHTML & CSS, which invariably saves bandwidth over table-based layouts. Chances are I could cut down the size of the example page to 1/3 it's size.

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I hate message boards that are not threaded.

sohh, circuit board, loosie, hatermagazine, soulstrut, crowd control...

It's so hard to follow a good conversation when the message isn't threaded.

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Damn dude, we should work together on something like this.

I actually started jotting down alot of concept stuff and i even got a rough draft of how it would all work, of not just a new message board, but a whole new way of building a community online through forums.

hit me up on the PM or AIM (istrikelast) for some details if you're interested.

i've seriously stepped up my SQL and PHP and DHTML game over the last couple of months for this other project and while building that, i've inadvertantly come up with a new concept for message boards.

like i said. hit me up on AIM

What I mean is, no huge avatars, no sigs with photo attachments, no fancy emoticons, no bright colors. One thing I love about this board is I can play on here at work on the low because the gray-and-white motif probably looks like an Excel spreadsheet to anyone who might give my computer screen a quick glance while walking by. :-p

And HUGE cosign on keeping it threaded.


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they're basically working toward all the things u already outlined.

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What do you think is so different about it?

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For older browsers? Maybe just a (ahem) "Basic HTML" version for people that don't have browsers that are up to snuff for the advanced board.

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If you don't use ie6, firefox, safari, or opera 8 then you should upgrade. That's like 99.5% of the population anyway.

That said, the cell phone thing does bother me, so maybe I'm just blowing smoke.

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something where you don't have to wait for the avatars to load, you just get the vital text.

Even on broad band (I was getting more than 3 mbs through Road runner), those avatars are a pain.

in firefox, go:

tools--options--web features--load images--- for the originating web site only (and tick that).

if you're using internet explorer, go:

http://www.mozilla.org

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the message board should handle it

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I always liked the ability to hover over a thread's link and see the first line or two of the thread without having to click and load the whole thread. It's nice people with really cryptic post titles.

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So you can preview messages without having to load the page.

unless you only get one post an hour.


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That wouldn't be too bad, I think.

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wasn't clear?

on a slow day, for example, that would work in high tech.


gd, or sports, or most forums?

no.

shit goes to page 2 pretty quickly, you still have no idea whats being discussed for the most part.

theres no point to it.

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I'm actually interested in the open exchange of ideas here.

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but I think it's a waste of time and resources for 99% of boards.

if you have a really specific message board it would be great, otherwise it doesn't make sense.



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And it works fine.

You get into this RSS deal with the knowledge that it may not be the most accurate depiction of what's actually on the board. All you're asking for is a quick preview just to see what's being discussed on the first page. If you can't handle the fact that the topic may have moved off the first page, then look up the nearest suicide hotline or something...

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and in case you haven't noticed, yes, I've been on boards that have it. I don't need a description of how it works, I know.

but I can't think of a situation in which it helps.

the only people who use them ,are the guys who found out about rss yesterday and want to find some new feeds.


and yes, I cna deal with not knowing whats on the first page, but only seeing the first page, is pretty useless. that gives you nothing.

if you stil need to open up your web browser, why have the feed? with a news feed, all the news is going to come across.,

with an even decently paced message board, you'll get less than 10% of the posts.

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The BBC example is useful because the headlines move ALL THE TIME. All you're using the feed for, in the Okayplayer case, is to get a quick glance at the first page of thread titles. RSS feeds will have different levels of usefulness over different sites; you know that. If you want to spend time on the boards, go to the boards. You want to quickly see what's up on Okayplayer, a situation I myself have been in a bunch of times, you check the RSS feed of it. Since all you were doing was quickly wondering what they were talking about, why go to the site in the first place?

That's my take on it. And besides GD, I can't think of any board that moves too fast for this to be at least a little useful.

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so, the discussion we're having about the bbc has SHIT to do with using rss feeds on message boards?

k.

I'm not talking about getting breaking news headlines, I'm talking about posts lets stay on topic. no duh the bbc uses it for headlines, so do a lot of other news outlets, for you to evne mention them is wildly irrelevant.


now, when it comes to message boards, every message board I have ever posted on, with a few exceptions, turns over the first page in at most 20 minutes for much of the day

your rss feed is useless in that situation.



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you talking like you gonna do some coding, lol

I think viewing the anchored post titles vis rss would be good

and how long is it anchored.

I can't think of a situation where that would really come in handy, there may be one, I just don't know what it is.



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well okp has been know to break news faster than cnn etc.
and usually those post are anchored, like suge got shot
or rip luther, or whatever the news of the day/week is.

On the real I get my news from here and if I want to know
more about a story I go to cnn or whatever

Also, he's not re-doing the okp boards, he just making one on his
own, so if he wants to make it an option for HIS board why
would you be so against it?

it's almost always a waste.



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I agree with you completely. This comes up on this board gets shot down every month. I say screw it. If someone wants to put the effort into a most likely useless feature then go ahead.
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a la ESPN scoreboards online.... every _ min.

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i personally couldnt stand the idea of certain post being refreshed every so often
*points to d'angelo post in artist*

board lobbys so posts are refreshed.

take GD for example....

that shit moves so fast that you make a post/reply.... go take a shit, hit refresh and your already on page two.

instead of hitting refresh every couple of min, just have the boards do it automatically

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like it would get annoying for me to get used to that
as an option/preference thats cool with me

yeah it could be cool as a preference. The user could even set the refresh frequency.
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as a preference.

id like to have that option, but i can see why ppl, especially 56kers would not want to have this.

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most message boards have some half-ass way of dealing with this.

on OKP, you can search by author for your name, but the sorting is weird and it's a pain. A gmail-style starring/labelling facility would be cool. What I really want though is a single link I can click on to show me all the threads I'm involved in, sorted however I want.

BTW, I think you are completely on the right track wrt using AJAX -- it could EASILY reduce the bandwidth cost of a site like this by 20x, not to mention the user-visible speed increase.

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Marking threads as favorites would be extremely useful. It sucks digging back through pages to see if any of the topics you have been following have been updated.
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...and sorry if someone already brought this up: I would like the option of checking off a thread I'm watching and receive an email whenever someone replies to that thread.

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My favorite message board feature is the ability to label a user's
post as "noisy." If a person's post is marked as noisy by enough people
it ends up hidden or minimized from everyone's view unless they specifically request to view "noisy" posts.

>My favorite message board feature is the ability to label a
>user's
>post as "noisy." If a person's post is marked as noisy by
>enough people
>it ends up hidden or minimized from everyone's view unless
>they specifically request to view "noisy" posts.

why would someone use this?

Because some people post mostly garbage and it'd be nice to easily be able to ignore them. It takes power away from people like Whale Boy.
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>>If a person's post is marked as noisy by enough people
>>it ends up hidden or minimized from everyone's view unless
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Say I'm in High Tech and I want to jump to the Lesson to check another topic I'm interested in. This transition should be smooth.

. . .
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but that shit's stupid though.

right?


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thanks tho... I missed that the first time.

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but that shit's stupid though.

you want on the/a board


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to be sure to include in any new board...

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but that shit's stupid though.

http://www.myspace.com/adfansaredown

. . .
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but that shit's stupid though.

As someone outlined above, it's possible to search for posts, and such, but I'd love a feature that allows the user to click a profile, and see his posts listed in sequential order.

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