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31. "RE: Full Gear was too long and overstuffed"
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Sun Nov-14-21 09:34 AM by jimaveli

  

          

The show felt long. Zoomed out tho, they delivered plenty of good stuff.

Sometimes I wonder if the guys booking these shows have seen too much: attitude era, Cena era WWE, vintage nwa, best days All Japan, ROH workrate HOF stuff, recent resurgence New Japan stuff, and some anime mixed in just cuz. You can see all of in AEW..sometimes all in the same match. And, like a lot of people say as a negative, they assume the viewer knows it too. For me: I’ve seen plenty of that shit, so this approach doesn’t completely turn me off even when the kickouts and finishes get obviously a tad heavy.

The biggest crime is when they do two or more of the same type of match and/or finish on the same show. It’s bad booking straight up and down and there’s no excuse. That’s WCW, ROH and New Japan at their worst shit.

On the other hand, we’d all die if they just showed up with a non-NXTish WWE show on another channel. Yes we would! We can go back in time and look: we were mostly complaining our asses off about WWE’s main roster. I was saying NXT was better before AEW came around.

So what do they do? Do they TNA themselves by trying to be WWE lite? Ick. Don’t like that as mentioned above. We know they can’t go all ROH either where it’s ‘just wrestling’. NXT, as much as I loved it’s core run, it was kinda ROH with better cameras and occasional badass simple NWA storytelling. But they were smart enough to do shorter shows. 2.5 hours and stuff. 5 matches, video package breaks, different finishers, different match types, well booked shows. There wasn’t gonna be multiple chaotic tag matches with elaborate finishes on the same show like Full Gear had for instance.

Mix this all together and AEW kinda ends up where they are…trying to mix their favorite stuff from everything they’ve ever seen and done to make one big ass mega show every time out.

Half the roster damn near has been through WWE at some point so hey..that speaks very well of the last 20 years of WWE. Aka WWE has helped a lot of people become better wrestlers and characters than they were before. But logically, WWE couldn’t do right by all of these folks even if they wanted do. The shame on them is that they clearly don’t even kinda want to do right by everyone. They’re still on their ‘one huge star and everyone else is basically food’ shit.

So here we are. TK put the money up and we get an American alternative with a fuckton of folks who most of us claimed deserved better than being openly buried on WWE TV or being stuck in Japan getting elbowed in the face and neck a lot. This is good times and I can’t get over how cool it is even as they find their way and try to figure out everything without making all of the same mistakes as all of the shit they’re drawing their inspiration from. If you have a good roster, I’m going to try to give you a chance to work it out.

Oh, and now they have Jay Lethal in position to check off some cool matches for himself on his way to retirement. And he’s not Jericho/damn near done either. Ain’t that nice.

The super great thing from last night: they finished the fucking story with Hangman. He was their ‘gonna be the guy’ guy when they didn’t know if/when they’d ever get anyone else to join who was already a star. That’s adorable now considering they’ve gotten multiple workrate machines and stars from some of everywhere. And goddamn CM Punk! It’s insanely great! But anyway, they could’ve sold out Hangman, said ‘yeah, we have real stars now so fuck this cowboy shit’. But no. Kid got in shape (he looks GOOD), they told the story, Kenny and the Bucks went above and beyond to be assholes and bitches for a year, and then, when it was time: they didn’t bullshit. They did the finish they booked towards. Kenny tried everything but couldn’t stop the train. And the Bucks did the whole ‘it’s time for us to cut the shit and quit cheating for Kenny’ deal..I loved it. We can talk a bunch of shit about nuance but again..think of all of the damn times we got stuck with WWE (and WCW and TNA) booking towards a finish then fucking it off just to swerve everyone. Or to debut someone.

Wait, 3 great things: 2nd, Darby and MJF were excellent. They pretty much stole the show out of the gate. The rest of the night felt like almost everyone trying to outdo what they laid down. Lastly, holy moly CM Punk is a smart, dynamic, and excellent wrestling mind. I raised my eyebrows when he called EK a bum during the lead up..that’s heel shit. The match and promos had obvious callbacks to Punk/Cena. It’s gorgeously nerdy wrestling stuff. I loved it and hope they have a cool direction already laid out. We’ll see. And it’s easily worth checking into.

>To me , the stuff I enjoy and enjoyed most is the stuff with
>a More traditional pace and better established characters
>
>The best matches - by far - were Darby Allin/MJF, Miro/BD, and
>obviously Kingston/Punk.
>
>I agree that if they leverage this well enough they can get
>Eddie Kingston to another level.
>
>But then what? Then he gets to pal around with Pac and Andrade
>and other great guys who just don’t really ever do anything?
>It’s a legitimate concern and not just for EK but for anyone
>who’s on the ascent…how does AEW navigate these growing
>pains and come to terms with the fact that not every work rate
>horse can run every night? And the matches you DO put on the
>card…is there actual emotion there? Spots and spots and
>spots - cool, do we have a story here?
>
>Miro/BD finish was weird, Luchas/FTR finish was Vincetastic,
>and I felll asleep but it sounds like the Omega/Cowboy finish
>was off too?
>
>Lastly, I guess Adam Cole is having fun, but for how I feel
>about him this angle is so far beneath him. He should be where
>Omega is but maybe he doesn’t want to be.
>
>

  

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OKPW: Full Gear and End of the year [View all] , jimaveli, Sat Nov-06-21 03:37 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Eddie won me over when NWA Powerr was on YouTube
Nov 06th 2021
1
Really hyped for Full Gear. The build-up has been largely great
Nov 08th 2021
2
I gotta go down the rabbit hole on Kingston
Nov 08th 2021
3
RE: I gotta go down the rabbit hole on Kingston
Nov 10th 2021
4
Yo, this Player's Tribune article though?
Nov 10th 2021
5
      That was a great read
Nov 14th 2021
34
      RE: Yo, this Player's Tribune article though?
Nov 14th 2021
35
Apparently Xavier Woods makes $0 off of UpUpDownDown
Nov 10th 2021
6
RE: Apparently Xavier Woods makes $0 off of UpUpDownDown
Nov 10th 2021
7
Lio Rush
Nov 10th 2021
8
i swear its like 2 entirely separate companies sharing a TV show
Nov 11th 2021
11
Full Gear has one of the better cards I can recall in recent memory
Nov 11th 2021
9
Funny u say that, it’s playing about 2 miles from my house too
Nov 11th 2021
10
RE: Full Gear has one of the better cards I can recall in recent memory
Nov 11th 2021
12
      Yeah I think they need to just crown Page
Nov 11th 2021
13
           I don't even know what you'd do with Page if he didn't win it here
Nov 11th 2021
14
                RE: I don't even know what you'd do with Page if he didn't win it here
Nov 11th 2021
15
                     only way you could have Page lose is a screwjob debut
Nov 13th 2021
19
Full Gear Predictions
Nov 11th 2021
16
that Fenix/Penta Eddie tribute spot was a thing of beauty
Nov 13th 2021
17
the Lucha Bros are a band with the same playlist every concert
Nov 13th 2021
18
the pace is definitely too fast
Nov 13th 2021
20
      its the random no-sells that ruins it for me
Nov 13th 2021
22
at least that was the only team hardcore match tonight right?
Nov 13th 2021
21
ceej was right. that guitarist def goes into biz for himself.
Nov 13th 2021
23
lol
Nov 16th 2021
36
Punk getting booed by a noticeably pro-Kingston crowd
Nov 13th 2021
24
Man he played that so well
Nov 13th 2021
25
RE: Punk getting booed by a noticeably pro-Kingston crowd
Nov 14th 2021
26
RE: Punk getting booed by a noticeably pro-Kingston crowd
Nov 14th 2021
27
They got the layup right
Nov 14th 2021
28
Too many dangerous spots in that match for me
Nov 14th 2021
29
Full Gear was too long and overstuffed
Nov 14th 2021
30
Full Gear wasn't as great as All Out, but I still thought it really good
Nov 14th 2021
32
Full Gear was a great show. couldve done w/o a match or two
Nov 14th 2021
33
i cant believe they made this mfer sulk and cry for a yr and half
Nov 17th 2021
37
first ~30 minutes as good as any weekly TV ive ever seen
Nov 17th 2021
38
Dark Order are perfect foils in this feud
Nov 18th 2021
40
      RE: Dark Order are perfect foils in this feud
Nov 18th 2021
43
      then i want stretcher jobs and hospitalization angles 😂
Nov 18th 2021
44
           The night is young, sir.
Nov 18th 2021
46
                RE: The night is young, sir.
Nov 18th 2021
48
what a nice episode
Nov 17th 2021
39
I really liked it a lot as a whole
Nov 18th 2021
41
      I liked most of it too
Nov 18th 2021
42
      MJF is that dude.
Nov 18th 2021
50
      RE: I really liked it a lot as a whole
Nov 18th 2021
47
God I love heel Bryan
Nov 18th 2021
45
he said "WrestleMania" and the marks got piiiiiiiiiiiiiissed 😂
Nov 18th 2021
49
How about some more WWE cuts? This time from the main roster
Nov 19th 2021
51
I wasn’t a fan but Hit Row got done diiiiiirty.
Nov 19th 2021
52
RE: How about some more WWE cuts? This time from the main roster
Nov 19th 2021
53
Okay, which one of y'all attacked Seth Rollins?
Nov 23rd 2021
54
The story WHY he attacked him is WILD
Nov 23rd 2021
55
Daniel Garcia & 2point0 have become some of my favorite guys
Nov 24th 2021
56
yoooo....this Janie Hayter - Thunder Rosa!
Nov 24th 2021
57
i didnt realize TR was holding like that lol
Nov 25th 2021
61
      yes sir lmao
Nov 25th 2021
63
god damn. this was the best episode of Dynamite thus far.
Nov 24th 2021
58
RE: god damn. this was the best episode of Dynamite thus far.
Nov 25th 2021
59
MJF and Punk were giving it to each other
Nov 25th 2021
60
The MJF and Punk promo war was worth the price of admission
Nov 25th 2021
62
      I think fighting it IS playing into it at this point.
Nov 26th 2021
64
           you nailed it. he even called himself a "good guy" lol
Dec 09th 2021
86
I think Becky and Charlotte pulled off a great “worked shoot” angle
Nov 26th 2021
65
They did even if Ric almost ruined it by being too much
Nov 26th 2021
66
Shout out to Lee Moriarty coming out with an MF DOOM mask
Dec 02nd 2021
67
Excalibur even said "MF DOOM" on TV
Dec 02nd 2021
68
This week's Dynamite was kind of a hot mess
Dec 02nd 2021
69
I came into the show while hour 2 was in progress
Dec 02nd 2021
70
i would have agreed 6 weeks ago
Dec 02nd 2021
72
i was mostly bored
Dec 02nd 2021
71
The wrestling was good, a lot of the talking segments were weird though
Dec 02nd 2021
73
this weeks Sammy Guevara's disconnect moment:
Dec 05th 2021
74
going to Dynamite on 1/19 in DC, stoked!
Dec 06th 2021
75
RE: going to Dynamite on 1/19 in DC, stoked!
Dec 06th 2021
77
Copped ringside
Dec 06th 2021
78
      bring an OKPW sign
Dec 06th 2021
79
NXT War Games (totally not a Takeover)
Dec 06th 2021
76
So I haven't watched since 2.0 launched.
Dec 08th 2021
80
      Side note: I doubt Gargano is on his way out
Dec 08th 2021
81
           RE: Side note: I doubt Gargano is on his way out
Dec 08th 2021
82
                Gargano-Ciampa is quite possibly the best story in wrestling ever
Dec 09th 2021
83
                     RE: Gargano-Ciampa is quite possibly the best story in wrestling ever
Dec 10th 2021
94
the biggest question Tony Khan must ask himself is...
Dec 09th 2021
84
i dont think it matters tbh
Dec 09th 2021
85
      MJF is the other side of the "titles don't matter" mindset
Dec 09th 2021
88
the Acclaimed eat yet another loss
Dec 09th 2021
87
stay alert: Lucha Bros vs FTR tonight on Rampage
Dec 10th 2021
89
RE: stay alert: Lucha Bros vs FTR tonight on Rampage
Dec 10th 2021
90
seeing a pro-MJF crowd was quite fun
Dec 10th 2021
91
WCW started that
Dec 10th 2021
92
RE: seeing a pro-MJF crowd was quite fun
Dec 10th 2021
93
      Flair getting stretchered out after War Games in Charlotte is my fav
Dec 10th 2021
95
Another Tribune article
Dec 14th 2021
96
Hangman vs BD, one of the best fuckin matches I've ever seen
Dec 15th 2021
97
I loved the ending, even though I saw it coming
Dec 15th 2021
98
RE: Hangman vs BD, one of the best fuckin matches I've ever seen
Dec 15th 2021
99
When Danielson started doing jumping-jacks early....
Dec 16th 2021
100
i found the backwards psychology distracting
Dec 16th 2021
102
      it works to me because Hangman might be champ
Dec 16th 2021
104
           I think both the Danielson time-limit draws worked really well
Dec 16th 2021
105
           RE: I think both the Danielson time-limit draws worked really well
Dec 16th 2021
111
           This is exactly what I was gonna say. Danielson is the AEW M Bison
Dec 16th 2021
106
The other Dynamite matches were really good as well
Dec 16th 2021
101
Also, props to Punk for wearing the pro-choice t-shirt in Texas
Dec 16th 2021
103
i thought that was it for ol' Dante
Dec 16th 2021
107
      They want that kid to be a thing, I’m not sure I see it
Dec 16th 2021
108
           RE: They want that kid to be a thing, I’m not sure I see it
Dec 16th 2021
109
           my wife and I call it "Adam from Workaholics face"
Dec 16th 2021
110
           He’s what, 20? 21? He has time to figure out facial expressions…
Dec 16th 2021
112
maaan AEW is tight as fuck in person
Dec 23rd 2021
113
Can you tell them to come to the West Cost?
Dec 23rd 2021
114
Why dont you plan a trip for All Out?
Dec 23rd 2021
115
That ain’t the worst idea
Dec 25th 2021
117
I think the plan is for them to head to the West Coast in the summer
Dec 25th 2021
119
What a fun ass main event too, lucky you
Dec 23rd 2021
116
2 thoughts after watching the broadcast
Dec 25th 2021
118
So you're telling me that you left before bearing witness to Hook?
Dec 26th 2021
120
      big misstep
Dec 27th 2021
124
LOL. Of course Cody puts himself over as the 3-time TNT champ
Dec 26th 2021
121
RE: LOL. Of course Cody puts himself over as the 3-time TNT champ
Dec 26th 2021
122
      I legit thought he was setting up for a Pedigree
Dec 27th 2021
125
Paul Heyman
Dec 26th 2021
123
he deserves a fucking Emmy award
Dec 30th 2021
136
Undisputed Era v Best Friends main event is kind of falling apart live
Dec 29th 2021
126
at least you got to see some real stars like Jade and Rosa
Dec 29th 2021
127
and to your original point these goofs are a total turnoff
Dec 29th 2021
128
how did Brandi's "black bitch" line go over live
Dec 29th 2021
129
Yeah, that was bad.
Dec 30th 2021
131
FWIW, it looked fine on TV
Dec 30th 2021
130
Yeah, trying to set up the Bucks/ReDragon for the soul of Adam Cole suck...
Dec 30th 2021
132
I wasn’t there, sorry for confusion guys. Match was collapsing in real...
Dec 30th 2021
133
      Eh, whatever your feelings on Cassidy are, they’ve set him up as a top...
Dec 30th 2021
134
           but that parking lot brawl was ruined in the end
Dec 30th 2021
135
Welp. Back to the Brock era.
Jan 01st 2022
137
I mean… they did need to shake things up
Jan 01st 2022
138
      RE: I mean… they did need to shake things up
Jan 02nd 2022
139
and Big Es miserable reign is complete. bravo WWE
Jan 02nd 2022
140

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