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45. "RE: Why do people keep saying this?"
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>Is it revisionism?

Yes it's revisionism

>
>Trubisky was rated higher than Mahomes and Watson, and some
>felt the Browns
>should have taken him at number 1. That was the analysis.

Now you are revising the opposite way. There was no CLEAR consensus on a #1 but Trubisky and Watson were both GENERALLY rated above Mahomes.

>
>It had nothing to with Ryan Pace being a gambler. He was
>following scouts.

He is a gambler. There was no need to trade up. If Trubisky doesn't fall to you take the one who does. This was not a situation like Trevor Lawrence this year.

>Actually Ryan Pace has made some outstanding draft picks over
>the years.

He has a couple good picks but he has wasted a ton of draft capital trading up. And his biggest picks have been a mix of spectacular busts and just bad picks for that position

1st rounders

Kevin White- 7th overall Epic bust
Trubisky- 2nd overall Bust
Leonard Floyd- 9th overall 18 sacks in 4 years, solid player but bad pick at #9
Roquan Smith- 8th overall Very good inside linebacker, not ideal position at 8th overall but good player, happy to have him compared to rest of this list

Second rounders

E. Goldman- very good nose tackle
Cody Whitehair- solid interior lineman, looked like he might be an impact player but ended up just being fairly good.
A. Shaheen- Bust
James Daniels- Okay interior lineman, inconsistent.
A. Miller- Very inconsistent wideout Pace traded up to get and now is probably getting cut because they can't find a trade partner. If he is traded it will be for a 4th or 5th at best.

That is not a good track record in the first two rounds, I don't care what spinning anyone wants to do.


>
>And when the bears went 12-4, and appeared to be super bowl
>bound, everyone
>was praising the bears and Trubisky. It wasn’t until the
>following year, when the
>chiefs won the SB that people started to slam the pick.

Trubisky was carried by the defense. Also, yeah when the QB does okay l out the gate fails to develop, people will slam the pick. What else would you expect?

>
>Darnell Mooney, Jaylon Johnson, David Montgomery, Roquin
>Smith...are just some
>Of the examples of pace’s ability to draft. Excellent
>picks.

In a vacuum?? I'm not sure there is any planet where you could look at PAce's draft results over 7 years and say this guy is doing a good job with the draft.


>
>And throw in Eddie Jackson and Tariq Cohen ....and Cole Kmet
>looks
>like he is going to be a stud TE.

You are just making shit up now. Or you don't watch the games. Eddie Jackson has been garbage for two years in a row. If they could cut him and get out from under that ridiculous contract Pace gave him, they would.

Tariq Cohen is a player I like a lot. But you are talking about a gadget running back/receiver, not Tyreek Hill. And he tore his ACL last year.

Cole Kmet looked like he could be a solid player. I hope so. But he didn't do anything to blow anyone away last year. He looked like exactly what he was advertised as; a olid chain mover with athletic limitations and good hands.


>The bears have been to the PO twice out of the past 3 years,
>with one of the
>best defenses in the league, and solid offensive weapons.
>Pace deserves some
>Credit for that.

He should have been fired and everyone knows it. The Bears are going nowhere. They only made the PO because of expanded format. He blew all their biggest picks. His free agency moves and contracts have been bad and he has muffed every shot at the most important position since the day he walked in the door and dumped Jay to give Mike Glennon a massive contract. He also selected Matt Nagy, the offensive genius who has us at the bottom of the offense in the league, year in and year out.

So yeah, he deserves credit for building a barely middling team that has no QB and is in cap hell.

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2021 NFL draft prospects... [View all] , ThaTruth, Wed Apr-07-21 08:39 AM
 
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Dan should be shot for the Bullshit he said.
Apr 07th 2021
1
RE: 2021 NFL draft prospects...
Apr 07th 2021
2
i think Mac10 goes above him
Apr 07th 2021
3
      i think Mac10 is better than Zach Wilson
Apr 07th 2021
5
      RE: i think Mac10 goes above him
Apr 07th 2021
7
typical NFL bullshit
Apr 07th 2021
4
RE: typical NFL bullshit
Apr 07th 2021
8
The talking heads like to put players into buckets without having
Apr 07th 2021
6
right. I think it's more media-related than anything
Apr 07th 2021
9
I wish Pryor had switched to WR earlier in his career.."what if"
Apr 07th 2021
10
it's dumb and among the reasons why i lose interest in the nfl
Apr 07th 2021
11
Ja'Maar Chase, Jaylen Waddle or DeVonta Smith?
Apr 07th 2021
12
RE: Ja'Maar Chase, Jaylen Waddle or DeVonta Smith?
Apr 07th 2021
16
      what are their differences to you?
Apr 07th 2021
17
           RE: what are their differences to you?
Apr 07th 2021
19
                would you rather have one of those three, or Kyle Pitts?
Apr 08th 2021
22
                     was reading this morning that Jerry Jones...
Apr 08th 2021
24
                     Cowboys ain't winning nothing with McCarthy
Apr 08th 2021
25
                     RE: would you rather have one of those three, or Kyle Pitts?
Apr 08th 2021
31
                     Pitts or Waddle. I think they will all be good
Apr 09th 2021
57
these agent videos of 40 times are hilarious
Apr 07th 2021
13
what does Mac Jones do that makes him special in the NFL
Apr 07th 2021
14
RE: what does Mac Jones do that makes him special in the NFL
Apr 07th 2021
15
I *really* don’t get this either.
Apr 07th 2021
18
Wasn’t high on Tua last draft and even less impressed with Jones
Apr 08th 2021
20
Get sunburned
Apr 08th 2021
21
ill bite on this but just a nibble
Apr 08th 2021
27
we know college stats don't translate
Apr 08th 2021
30
i saw ~95% of his snaps the last 2 years. absolutely nothing.
Apr 09th 2021
36
good year to get an offensive lineman
Apr 08th 2021
23
Chargers will probably take Pitts if he falls to them at 13
Apr 08th 2021
26
Far fetched. If Falcons don’t trade 4, they should take Pitts
Apr 09th 2021
33
I was reminded that Mitch Tribusky went 2nd and Pat Mahomes went 10...
Apr 08th 2021
28
RE: I was reminded that Mitch Tribusky went 2nd and Pat Mahomes went 10....
Apr 08th 2021
29
The Trubisky pick made no sense at all at the time
Apr 09th 2021
32
RE: The Trubisky pick made no sense at all at the time
Apr 09th 2021
35
This is 100 percent incorrect.
Apr 09th 2021
38
      it must be real hard to be a Bears fan
Apr 09th 2021
39
           Here is the mock draft from that year.
Apr 09th 2021
41
                when Trubisky was drafted the reaction wasn’t calm and expected
Apr 09th 2021
43
                     RE: when Trubisky was drafted the reaction wasn’t calm and expected
Apr 09th 2021
46
                          lmao... ok Mitch
Apr 09th 2021
47
                               RE: lmao... ok Mitch
Apr 09th 2021
49
Why do people keep saying this?
Apr 09th 2021
40
      and that analysis was built on racism
Apr 09th 2021
42
      I don’t know what it was built off of.
Apr 09th 2021
44
           ha.. I knew you would being up Watsons legal problems
Apr 09th 2021
48
     
      You’re contradicting yourself.
Apr 09th 2021
50
           RE: You’re contradicting yourself.
Apr 09th 2021
53
                we agree to disagree
Apr 09th 2021
55
                     lmao
Apr 09th 2021
56
                     RE: we agree to disagree
Apr 12th 2021
68
      it was a poor rating to have Trubisky above Watson to begin w/
Apr 09th 2021
51
and I left off Deshaun was 12th
Apr 09th 2021
54
I'm guessing Slovis will be next years overly hyped white qb
Apr 09th 2021
34
Sam Howell
Apr 09th 2021
37
      You think so? He benefited from those 2 RBs about to be drafted
Apr 09th 2021
52
           absolutely. im excited for him to show it too
Apr 10th 2021
63
anybody actually watch Trey Lance play?
Apr 09th 2021
58
No, what do you think of him?
Apr 10th 2021
61
      I hadn't watched him either
Apr 10th 2021
62
           how they have these guys over Fields is baffling to me
Apr 13th 2021
69
bad year to draft a defensive lineman
Apr 09th 2021
59
specifically DT
Apr 09th 2021
60
      RE: specifically DT
Apr 10th 2021
64
           I don't like either
Apr 10th 2021
65
                RE: I don't like either
Apr 12th 2021
66
                     nobody enough to feel strongly about
Apr 12th 2021
67
anyone else think the Detroit/Carolina part of the draft is the bullseye...
Apr 13th 2021
70
has there ever been a black Mac Jones? an unathletic black dude that...
Apr 14th 2021
71
I thought EJ Manuel would be that
Apr 14th 2021
72
I don't think Rex Ryan ever gave him a chance
Apr 14th 2021
78
RE: I thought EJ Manuel would be that
Apr 15th 2021
101
Teddy?
Apr 14th 2021
73
Teddy was and is light years better than Mac Jones and was drafted 32nd
Apr 14th 2021
76
RE: Teddy?
Apr 14th 2021
87
      dude almost lost his leg, he doesn't get the hype of Alex Smith but its....
Apr 15th 2021
88
Leftwich? He did have a better arm than Jones
Apr 14th 2021
74
Leftwich was the first guy I thought of too
Apr 14th 2021
75
RE: Leftwich? He did have a better arm than Jones
Apr 14th 2021
77
JaMarcus Russell?
Apr 14th 2021
79
JaMarcus had everything BUT "intangibles" his arm was a cannon
Apr 14th 2021
80
      No doubt he had a cannon of an arm
Apr 14th 2021
85
           Mac's arm is below average, it showed at his pro day
Apr 15th 2021
89
Jacoby Brissett
Apr 14th 2021
83
David Garrard
Apr 14th 2021
84
      This is the right answer
Apr 14th 2021
86
      he was a 4th rounder after a Pro Bowl yr lost his job to Blaine Gabbert....
Apr 15th 2021
90
man who did Fields piss of at ESPN
Apr 14th 2021
81
Mort needs to retire NOW
Apr 14th 2021
82
That Mort clip is BEYOND bullshit, but the TOSU offense causes concern
Apr 15th 2021
91
that sounds like...most college offenses
Apr 15th 2021
95
      I’m just relaying what I’ve heard. I’d draft Fields in a heartbeat
Apr 15th 2021
96
           word up
Apr 15th 2021
103
I feel embarrassed for Mort..
Apr 15th 2021
92
Justin Fields did what Russy and Mahomes did - cause for concern
Apr 15th 2021
93
right...shit, Kyler Murray was out here playing the spring before the dr...
Apr 15th 2021
94
      arguably baseball actually contributes to their ability to make throws
Apr 15th 2021
97
They didn't do this to Aaron Rodgers. But he slid. And he should have.
Apr 15th 2021
98
NFL.com just mocked Fields to Pittsburgh at #24
Apr 15th 2021
99
      I'm astonished by this...
Apr 15th 2021
100
      RE: NFL.com just mocked Fields to Pittsburgh at #24
Apr 15th 2021
102
      I’m pretty sure agents are paying these dudes to shit on these QB’s
Apr 15th 2021
104
           i think its accepted as an unspoken reality at espn.
Apr 16th 2021
108
                RE: i think its accepted as an unspoken reality at espn.
Apr 16th 2021
109
Who is considered the best QB coach/guru among the NFL coaches?
Apr 15th 2021
105
I don’t think he slides to 32 but TB would be a great spot for him
Apr 15th 2021
106
      if he slides to 32 blow the whole nfl up lol
Apr 16th 2021
110
fields now the heavy betting favorite to land with the niners
Apr 16th 2021
107
Bucs signed AB to 1 year deal
Apr 28th 2021
111
Bridgewater traded to Denver?
Apr 28th 2021
112
Can’t believe we only won 1 championship w all these first round picks...
Apr 28th 2021
113
Seeing and reading that the Niners narrowed their choice
Apr 28th 2021
114
Fields is better than both but if those are the options, Lance
Apr 28th 2021
115
I don't understand the Mac Jones hype
Apr 29th 2021
118
can't wait
Apr 29th 2021
116
A retired NFL player, a bizarre shooting and claims of CTE
Apr 29th 2021
117

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