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Garland: Easy to fall in love with him. Best handles in the class. Might be the quickest PG in the class end to end-- certainly competes with Morant in that regard (though Morant is longer and far more athletic). Potentially the best 3-point shooter in the class as well. Not a *great* athlete, not terribly strong, and not currently a tremendous creator for others with consistency. Def will have to work on that assist-to-turnover ratio... but then again, a lot of the better PGs in the league today came in with a similar sort of question. Defense, he showed good effort-- not strong enough or long enough to be a stopper, but a good motor guy on that end.

It's *really* hard to say what he'll be because our sample size was so small, but I think his upside is obvious. I think his worst case scenario is, like, Diet Coke CJ McCollum-- someone who never really becomes a PG but still finds a niche in this league as a guy who, at worst, can go off scoring any given night. Best case scenario, you've got someone like Lillard or Kyrie but a step or two down-- or perhaps more accurately a Jeff Teague with a better jumpshot-- someone who likely will have bumps in the road as he learns how to create for others but who ends up a natural guy with the ball in his hands as the game winds down.

White: Like Garland, a quick PG who'll fire from anywhere and who probably scores better than he creates. Shifty ballhandler. A genius in transition. A terrific shooter for the most part, though I'm not in love with his release point. Also not a great athlete-- Garland probably the better athlete, but White *definitely* is stronger. Like Garland, questionable decision making-- I saw way more Coby game tape, obviously, and he's a guy who can shoot you in or out of a game. Example: end of the first Duke game, White was really starting to jack questionable shots in a game where he struggled against Tre Jones. White had the ball in his hands late in a key possession, and I turned to my friends and say, "We've won." Sure enough, White took an awful shot, missed badly, Duke wins the game.

Hard to hold that against White tbh-- a freshman willing to take those shots is a commodity, honestly. Also hard to compare him to Garland since Garland has so much less game tape-- also, White wasn't the prospect Garland was and wasn't even expected to be OAD, so does that mean he played above his talent this year or was he just too slept on in HS? I'd personally peg White's ceiling as, and I'm not the first person to say this, a Diet Coke Gilbert Arenas. Never the most efficient guy, but a terror when he's hot, and if he got on the right team, he'd be outstanding. Floor is maybe... I don't know, a more aggressive Greivis Vasquez? I think he's deserving of a Top 10 pick, at worst.

Tough to say who Chicago wants. Neither is probably the ideal fit next season with LaVine, as neither is likely to be a better distributor than Dunn Day 1-- or honestly have a better A:TO than Dunn. Both guys will also likely have green lights, and since we know Zach has a green light, that could potentially backfire, especially considering how tremendously talented the frontcourt is for the Bulls next season. I think Garland has the higher upside if he can develop some of those point skills-- he's a little less reckless than White, he has the higher pedigree, and I wouldn't be too concerned about his lack of strength since the Bulls have some length and interior presence to help him defensively if bigger guards try to bully him (plus Dunn would be there for this express reason). One will likely wonder if Garland's injury/long absence would affect his play at least in the short term... but then again, I think it's likely the Bulls are tanking again next season, so the higher upside guy is probably the move.

(This, of course, introduces the question of whether they should just take Best Available over Fit at that point in the draft-- but that's a different question.)

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To Zion: 2019 NBA Lotto post [View all] , Marauder21, Tue May-14-19 09:25 AM
 
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knicks not winning it
May 14th 2019
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I'm pulling for Atlanta to get Zion
May 14th 2019
2
:(
May 14th 2019
4
Thanks Hambone.
May 14th 2019
54
if the fucking cavs or suns get another #1...
May 14th 2019
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lol.
May 14th 2019
22
Oh yeah, forgot the trades
May 14th 2019
5
hol up
May 14th 2019
8
      I believe it's from the Jayson Tatum/Markelle Fultz swap from
May 14th 2019
9
Congrats to the Lakers for leaping into the Top 4.
May 14th 2019
6
As a Knicks fan
May 14th 2019
7
Cleveland has had like 12 #1 picks in the past 20 years
May 14th 2019
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      Teams that win it in back to back years
May 14th 2019
11
      Better them than Phoenix
May 14th 2019
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           speaking of phoenix...
May 14th 2019
13
                Man, if this happens the West is going to be too damn unfair
May 14th 2019
14
                     howard beck (who is in the drawing room) pretty much shut it down in a s...
May 14th 2019
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                          Seems like
May 14th 2019
18
Lakers gonna win it. Calling it now.
May 14th 2019
15
A top 4 pick is almost for sure getting traded.
May 14th 2019
17
Okay, so here's a question:
May 14th 2019
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      The Knicks don’t want Lebron
May 14th 2019
20
           Well, it applies to any team with the #1. Picked NY because they have...
May 14th 2019
21
                Oh well, never mind.
May 14th 2019
36
LOL!..
May 14th 2019
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      I was excited for a second! lmao
May 14th 2019
35
fucking shit
May 14th 2019
24
Lol
May 14th 2019
25
Back at a TV but watching on my phone out of superstition
May 14th 2019
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IDSJSFOISDFLKSDJKLFSD KNICKS DKFJSDLJFSLDKJFSDJFSD
May 14th 2019
27
David Griffin must have some dirt on Adam Silver
May 14th 2019
28
Wow. Now what?
May 14th 2019
29
wow silver just saved basketball in NO
May 14th 2019
30
Rui Hachimura about to sell out STAPLES
May 14th 2019
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      LeBron packaging that shit
May 14th 2019
38
NOT RIGGED!
May 14th 2019
31
Hasheem Thabeet is rolling over in his grave
May 14th 2019
34
NBA nightmare. AD isn’t staying poor Zion
May 14th 2019
33
They are probably not moving him until the deadline
May 14th 2019
57
Zion better be calling AD *right now*
May 14th 2019
37
AD's still leaving, though
May 14th 2019
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Yeah that ain’t keeping him
May 14th 2019
40
      RE: Yeah that ain’t keeping him
May 14th 2019
51
           Well... there's that too. But I had an epiphany today.
May 14th 2019
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                Best landing spot for him is BK
May 14th 2019
64
AD should stay in NO....
May 14th 2019
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Ha
May 14th 2019
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lmao they turned down more than that already
May 15th 2019
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LONGO!!!!
May 14th 2019
42
everyone may be off the board
May 14th 2019
45
maybe. no real consensus after the top 3.
May 14th 2019
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Yeah, I know nothing about any of these dudes
May 14th 2019
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      a veteran backup, sure.
May 14th 2019
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           I hear ya. Especially if everyone is fairly confident White/Garland
May 14th 2019
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                I'd say Garland is the best pg. It'll take some time though.
May 14th 2019
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                been hearing good things about garland for a while now.
May 14th 2019
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                     That's exactly what he could be.
May 14th 2019
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                i actually still like dunn a lot as a bench guy.
May 14th 2019
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                     He can definitely be that. Like a Keyon Dooling type.
May 14th 2019
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                     Dunn plays his best away from LaVine anyway.
May 15th 2019
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I'd be *stunned* if Garland and White *both* went before Culver.
May 14th 2019
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      All I read in your post...
May 15th 2019
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      There are two alternatives that I think would be great for the Bulls.
May 15th 2019
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      my man!
May 16th 2019
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Tanking is pretty much dead after tonight, right?
May 14th 2019
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Nice of Kuz to go to see what pick he’ll be packaged with
May 14th 2019
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LoL
May 14th 2019
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lol
May 15th 2019
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that look on his face lolll... they killed the young core's confidence
May 15th 2019
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i'd like to proclaim this is further evidence its rigged
May 14th 2019
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You could find storylines for any scenario to say it’s “rigged”
May 15th 2019
69
Lebron and the #4 pick to NO for Zion...
May 14th 2019
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Zion to NOLA is great tho....2nd lines singing about Zion.
May 14th 2019
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Not sure why Lakers fans think they have a line on AD
May 14th 2019
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Because we *do* have a line. "A" line or "best" line is a different disc...
May 15th 2019
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I guess Griffin could have soft spot in his heart for LeBron
May 15th 2019
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That is not a better package than the Lakers have, imo.
May 15th 2019
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The Lakers Getting the 4th Pick Really Makes the Knicks Sweat
May 15th 2019
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There's also the "Lakers" stigma
May 15th 2019
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Maybe not *extensive*... but it's notable imo.
May 15th 2019
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Why do people think NBA owners like seeing the Lakers win?
May 15th 2019
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      ... but it's the Knicks tho, lol.
May 15th 2019
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           Lol...fair enough. I have a friend who's a Knicks fan
May 15th 2019
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                They need to get Kyrie and AD in the same room.
May 15th 2019
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Many ain’t nobody trying to pay them Lakers young players...
May 15th 2019
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RE: Many ain’t nobody trying to pay them Lakers young players...
May 15th 2019
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      I don’t think the teammates matter with AD. Seems like market.
May 15th 2019
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Those are all cynical fan reasons not to trade him to the Lakers
May 15th 2019
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      GM answers to the owner tho
May 15th 2019
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      "You"- i.e, the "I" here- aren't the owner or the GM.
May 15th 2019
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           I think both "not the lakers" and "good/best trade" can coexist
May 15th 2019
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      Pelicans Owner is Cynical...lol
May 17th 2019
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Perhaps you know something I don't
May 15th 2019
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      I mean... you kinda defined it right there, haha.
May 15th 2019
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Yeah that #4 ain't worth much imo.
May 15th 2019
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its ALL speculation but AD is signed to Klutch Sports and bought a house...
May 15th 2019
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      The "has a house in LA" thing is of absolutely zero consequence
May 15th 2019
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           Absolutely, zero!
May 15th 2019
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           I feel like KG and someone else (T-Mac, maybe) were always
May 15th 2019
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                Lebron bought a house in LA and guess what? KG wanted to be a Laker...
May 15th 2019
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It really sucks that Memphis didn't win. JJJ and Zion is an interesting ...
May 15th 2019
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rj barrett looked mad salty answering questions about zion lol.
May 15th 2019
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rightly so
May 15th 2019
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They should've known. That shit was silly though.
May 15th 2019
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fam the level of knobslobbery was so over the top.
May 15th 2019
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It makes complete sense
May 15th 2019
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      Zion gets them 3 national TV games at least.
May 15th 2019
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Yup, they had both of them sitting at the desk and they ignored RJ
May 15th 2019
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RE: Yup, they had both of them sitting at the desk and they ignored RJ
May 15th 2019
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The camera barely left Zion. I couldn't tell you.
May 15th 2019
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I agree, you don't need the players there
May 15th 2019
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Exactly. Zion hasn't even been picked by NOLA yet!
May 15th 2019
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They even asked Zion if you were a GM would you pick RJ or Ja.
May 15th 2019
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      Glad he balked at that question.
May 15th 2019
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i think they knew whose name was on the marquee
May 15th 2019
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have they ever had players in the draft at the lottery before?
May 16th 2019
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      I don’t recall.
May 16th 2019
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Kuzma's face: https://streamable.com/9t54d
May 15th 2019
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My predictions
May 15th 2019
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RE: My predictions
May 15th 2019
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How do the Lakers make a deal for AD as currently constructed?
May 15th 2019
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Yeah, I dunno either.
May 15th 2019
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Pelicans getting #1? cool
May 15th 2019
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BTW, the Lottery is still dumb and needs to be abolished
May 15th 2019
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Yeah, and it does nothing to dissuade tanking, either
May 15th 2019
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I'm intrigued by the idea of success-based revenue-sharing.
May 15th 2019
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I feel like if you're in the lottery more than 3 years in a row you're.....
May 15th 2019
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There's not nearly enough parity in the league to ensure
May 15th 2019
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      RE: There's not nearly enough parity in the league to ensure
May 15th 2019
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Personally I like it but this new setup doesn't diminish tanking
May 15th 2019
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Will Zion play in New Orleans?
May 15th 2019
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*clicks link* Colin Cow..... *clicks X*
May 15th 2019
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Windhorst is peddling it too. But it's all speculation
May 15th 2019
127
Windy Dogg! HAHAHAHA. An actually perfect click bait.
May 15th 2019
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Zion didn't seem exactly thrilled about NO whether AD is there or not.
May 16th 2019
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I did the same
May 16th 2019
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Zion isn't going to New York, Los Angeles, or Chicago
May 16th 2019
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Could be smoke, but Memphis is telling people it's Ja
May 16th 2019
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it's really a no-brainer
May 16th 2019
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Do they think New Orleans would prefer Morant in a trade?
May 16th 2019
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I think it's Ja as well because they want to dump Conley
May 16th 2019
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Funny now Zion's people are saying he's "excited" about going to NO, lol
May 16th 2019
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Yes, it's funny that *his* people and *not* pundits
May 16th 2019
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      seriously, this "rumor" popped up because people are bored
May 16th 2019
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      We all saw his reactions on Tuesday
May 16th 2019
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           .....and today is Thursday.
May 16th 2019
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                He also can't have a real reaction yet
May 16th 2019
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                     Agreed, but in fairness.... he knows what the rest of us knows
May 16th 2019
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                     Great point; why was he even there?
May 17th 2019
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                          Exactly...
May 19th 2019
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I'd push for a NY or LA trade, effit
May 16th 2019
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Puts a slightly larger hole in the Wizards plans for sure.
May 19th 2019
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The Wizards problem is John Wall’s contract, probably the worst...
May 19th 2019
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      That is one of the Wizards issues.
May 19th 2019
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