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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/05/sports/basketball/lonzo-lavar-ball-shoes-zo2.html?_r=0

At $495, Lonzo Ball’s ZO2 Sneakers Have Tastemakers Saying No Thanks
By MARC TRACY
MAY 5, 2017

At the Flight Club sneaker store just south of Union Square on Thursday night, eager customers perused the gleaming shelves, hunting for classic kicks. The big names — the players whose signature shoes are most highly sought — are the ones you would expect: Kevin Durant, LeBron James and, even after all these years, Michael Jordan.

At the time, the larger world was trying to wrap its head around the ZO2, Lonzo Ball’s first signature shoe, which he had hours earlier announced in a video released to Slam magazine.

Ball, the former U.C.L.A. point guard who is expected to be a top-three pick in June’s N.B.A. draft, had declined contracts with the big sneaker companies: Nike, Under Armour and Adidas. Instead, he placed his chips on Big Baller Brand, the company founded by his father, LaVar Ball, for the frank purpose of maintaining control over the merchandise revenue generated by his three sons, Lonzo, 19; LiAngelo, 18, a U.C.L.A. commit; and LaMelo, 15, who scored 92 points in a high school game last season.

LaVar Ball’s opening bid to shoe companies some weeks ago was a marketing deal with all three sons worth $1 billion. The companies reportedly declined. Last month, a Nike executive called LaVar Ball “the worst thing to happen to basketball in the last 100 years.” Translation: Nike doesn’t like when someone rejects the business model that has enabled the company to dominate the multibillion-dollar sneaker and apparel industry.

Then, on Thursday, came Big Baller Brand’s ZO2, the least expensive version of which costs $495. Yes, four hundred ninety-five dollars. For comparison’s sake, the most recent signature shoe of James, basketball’s biggest star and best player, began retailing last year at $175; it carries the Nike swoosh.

While the shoe and the Ball family buzzed all over social media on Thursday, the sneaker intelligentsia were lined up in Flight Club’s consignment area. These are the people who camp out on street corners to get first crack at new releases and then sell them to Flight Club for a cut of the subsequent resale. The leading edge of sneaker cool, they help decide which shoes will be on the shelves of Flight Club and stores like it 10 and 25 years from now. And they had reached a verdict on the ZO2: No thanks.

“I wouldn’t buy those,” said T.Q. Jones, who wore Nike Prestos as he waited in the consignment line.

Haitham Khan — who was rocking a Comme des Garçons hoodie, a Supreme bag and blush-colored Common Projects sneakers — made a bold statement: “I can answer your question: No one’s going to buy them.”

This conclusion matched those of industry experts, who nonetheless marveled — through laughter — at what Bob Dorfman, a sports marketing expert at Baker Street Advertising, labeled “the brazenness, the audacity, the ego” of LaVar Ball, the father.

Matt Powell, a sports industry analyst at NPD Group, estimated Big Baller Brand would sell 10,000 pairs, which he described as a “rounding error” given the 400 million pairs of shoes Nike made last year.

“If you did it in snakeskin and pixie dust, it might cost $500,” Powell added.

Sneaker culture is shaped by substance as much as flash. Flight Club, for instance, prominently features sneakers linked to long-retired stars like Scottie Pippen, Patrick Ewing and Jordan not merely because those shoes are aesthetically pleasing, but because they are connected to incredible basketball talents.

As Jones said of Lonzo Ball: “I don’t know if he’s going to be a star.”

Then, too, there are utilitarian concerns. At least in theory, basketball sneakers are for playing basketball in, and Big Baller Brand was not believed to possess the same kind of technology that makes the established companies’ shoes user-friendly.

“I want to know how they perform,” said Karl Leung, who wore Adidas sneakers as he waited in the consignment line. Adidas is known for its Boost foam, he noted, while Nike has its Zoom cushioning.

“I’m wondering what’s in the shoe that makes it a basketball performance shoe,” Leung added.

Someone who pre-orders ZO2s today would be guaranteed shipping, according to Big Baller Brand, by Nov. 24 — a hint, Powell suggested, at the six-month lead time typically required to make and transport new shoes.

“It’s really hard to make a shoe,” said Powell, adding, “There’s a reason why you don’t see hundreds of new shoe companies.”

Many saw the shoe release as just the latest antic from LaVar Ball, who in the past few months has said that in his prime he could have beaten Jordan one-on-one (Ball briefly started at Washington State before transferring to a Division II team); that he married his wife, Tina, partly to have great basketball-playing sons; and that Lonzo Ball is better now than Stephen Curry is.

Encountering widespread ridicule on Thursday over the sneaker’s price tag, LaVar Ball tweeted that if “you can’t afford” them, “you’re NOT a BIG BALLER!”

In an era in which marketing is conducted over social media and the loudest voice often carries the day regardless of what is being shouted, there is a certain logic to Ball’s strategy of being consistently outrageous. (Big Baller Brand did not reply to a request to comment.)

But the reality is that in electing not to sign an endorsement deal after insisting, ESPN reported, that any of the three biggest shoe companies license Big Baller Brand, the Balls left money on the table.

“I’m sure the brands all said, ‘Yeah, we’re interested, we’d like to pay him a couple million bucks,’” said Powell, pointing to the standard going rate for high draft pick rookies.

“The revenue opportunity they’ve had is now over,” Powell added.

Stephon Marbury, the former N.B.A. star who plays in China and is believed to be one of a few basketball players to have his own sneaker brand independent of a major shoe company — Starbury — praised LaVar Ball on Wednesday, telling The Undefeated website: “He should want to own his own brand. That is the smartest way of doing it.”

In the ZO2 release video, which is set to a Drake track and features Lonzo Ball training in his shoes near his hometown, Chino, Calif., the namesake himself spoke in those terms, too, advocating “a movement allowing us to be entrepreneurs, not just endorsers.”

From Curry’s receiving Under Armour stock as part of his deal to James’s cashing in on his shares of Beats when the headphones company was acquired by Apple, it is part of the zeitgeist for the most talented and savvy basketball players to seek and acquire equity.

The analogy falls short, though, because Ball is not yet Marbury, much less Curry.

It also does not help that Starbury shoes are deliberately inexpensive — some new ones start at $14.98 — while the ZO2s are, well, not.

“This shoe,” Dorfman said, “may be bought by collectors just to say that they had it.”

Or not. The Flight Club consignors dismissed even a proposal to shell out for ZO2s now on the off chance that everyone will be wanting them in a decade or so.

“I’d rather buy lottery tickets,” Leung said.

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The Lonzo Ball Shoe is FOUR HUNDRED NINETY FIVE DOLLARS (swipe) [View all] , BrooklynWHAT, Thu May-04-17 03:09 PM
 
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No thanks, in that price range I'll just buy some SLP instead.
May 04th 2017
1
lulz...like I posted in the Ball thread...
May 04th 2017
2
This kid better be the real deal from jump
May 04th 2017
3
I have to think
May 04th 2017
4
But what if they put a Giant Enemy Crab on the bottom?
May 04th 2017
5
honestly if they were $130-$150 i'd take a flyer on them out of curiosit...
May 04th 2017
8
They're smoking rocks
May 04th 2017
6
I like Lonzo as much as I dislike his dad
May 04th 2017
7
It really doesn't look that bad
May 04th 2017
12
      it doesn't...cuz they aped the Kobe 11
May 04th 2017
14
           A knockoff Kobe with knockoff boost cushioning
May 04th 2017
27
                RE: A knockoff Kobe with knockoff boost cushioning
May 04th 2017
28
$499 shoe, improper/unprofessional/shit quality voice over recording. nm
May 04th 2017
9
The $220 flip flops are the atrocity. The shoe pricing will work I think...
May 04th 2017
10
I can see this becoming a trend somehow
May 04th 2017
11
People pay $1500+ for Yeezy's
May 04th 2017
13
one thing
May 04th 2017
15
RE: People pay $1500+ for Yeezy's
May 04th 2017
16
that is understandable to some extent BBB is lile FUBU
May 04th 2017
21
People have been paying attention to Kanye's fashion choices since '04 t...
May 04th 2017
22
Nip had a name and an established fan base and track record
May 04th 2017
23
How the hell they jack the Kobe design though
May 04th 2017
17
right...it's flagrant, even
May 04th 2017
18
      It's ridiculously blatant
May 04th 2017
20
*shrug*
May 04th 2017
19
same.
Sep 25th 2017
112
Who is the everyone that is rooting for him?
May 04th 2017
24
lol, yeah...I haven't personally seen anyone say...
May 04th 2017
25
I don't think people should root against dude.
May 04th 2017
29
      Agreed, I have no problem with the endeavor
May 04th 2017
30
           given the choice, you'd rather he smooth talked his way in?
May 04th 2017
31
                True, fair enough
May 06th 2017
82
That's smartphone money
May 04th 2017
26
I'm confused as to who is the target market right now
May 05th 2017
32
Dre tho, had a 20 year reputation
May 05th 2017
33
      and you drop 5 bills today...
May 05th 2017
34
Intriguing business model but terrible vehicle
May 05th 2017
35
pops inability to see big picture
May 05th 2017
36
and he's sold 4,000 paires of shoes in 3 hours...
May 05th 2017
37
If that's true, it's a great start for them
May 05th 2017
38
i'm saying tho. fyre fest did numbers too.
May 05th 2017
40
Michael Bennett, Ocho Cinco, Marcellus Wiley...cats with money
May 05th 2017
41
They don't ship til November
May 05th 2017
42
      lulz...the pair Zo was holding are the only pair currently in existence....
May 05th 2017
53
           Bro if you aint a baller these aint for you bro.
May 05th 2017
54
                ^Big Baller Boasting
May 05th 2017
59
numbers look crooked like king kong shook it (c)
May 05th 2017
45
      Right?
May 05th 2017
49
           it's coolidge. titanic-iceberg-sized grain of salt.
May 05th 2017
50
                Its LaVar Ball as well. titanic-iceberg-sized grain of salt.
May 05th 2017
52
                I'm just repeating the tweet that's all over the net...
May 05th 2017
57
                     i don't think you made it up.
May 05th 2017
60
                          Bro, it was typed on a picture on twitter
May 05th 2017
62
                          well, duh.
May 05th 2017
63
                          ending sentences with "maybe ?"
May 05th 2017
68
lolz! this nigga funny as shit.
May 05th 2017
39
this dude a trip.
May 05th 2017
44
This dude is crowdsourcing basketball kicks
May 05th 2017
43
Bomani: Did I somehow miss the ZO1?
May 05th 2017
46
Eh. Thats not as funny as he thought it was
May 05th 2017
47
the ZO1 was the Dad's shoe
May 05th 2017
48
them shits weren't even plaid
May 06th 2017
77
I laughed.
May 05th 2017
66
sneakerheads are asian dweebs They aint true big ballers
May 05th 2017
55
exactly. 99% of the shoe game is the name
May 05th 2017
56
this is a stupid article
May 05th 2017
58
Seeing as how LaVar Ball has been trolling folks
May 05th 2017
61
read that yesterday, doesn't seem like hard-hitting analysis
May 06th 2017
78
When they hit the discount racks, I would cop those slippers though
May 05th 2017
64
his outspoken troll routine is not my style but free market will
May 05th 2017
65
this shit is doing too much and making me wanna root for this shoe
May 05th 2017
67
I'm not a fan of Levar
May 05th 2017
69
Lebron was a superstar already
May 06th 2017
74
Is there really that strong a market for $500 sneakers???
May 06th 2017
70
There definitely is but for these? For Lonzo Ball? I doubt it
May 06th 2017
76
Just curious if anyone knew what Levar and Mrs Ball do for a living?
May 06th 2017
71
she's a PE teacher. he's a personal trainer.
May 06th 2017
72
      lots of Asians moved out there too
May 06th 2017
73
           It's the poor man's Diamond Bar
May 06th 2017
75
Going solo was dumb. The $495 price tag was not.
May 06th 2017
79
Nah... the price point is terrible.
May 06th 2017
80
Oh I mean there is no doubting the jankiness/lack of value
May 07th 2017
86
He gets major attention for everything he says right now
May 06th 2017
81
      True
May 06th 2017
83
      For a guy like him, there is NEVER ENOUGH publicity
May 07th 2017
87
IF the shoes are in fact made to order
May 07th 2017
84
More than likely he needs to order a minimum
May 07th 2017
85
Aren't elements of them supposedly hand made?
May 07th 2017
88
      certainly it's a piece of shit shoe right?
May 07th 2017
89
           Oh I am sure, just look at it
May 08th 2017
91
Report: Less than 300 Big Baller Brand shoes were sold first day
May 08th 2017
90
5K pairs wouldnt be a seven figure pay day anyway
May 08th 2017
92
      I feel like these shoes might never actually drop...
May 08th 2017
93
           Are you saying this is the Fyre Festival of shoes?
May 08th 2017
94
           in terms of hype maybe, but at least Fyre moved tickets
May 08th 2017
95
           It's quite possible, 300 is very close to zero
Jun 17th 2017
97
Happy fathers day!!!
Jun 17th 2017
96
LMAO GOAT
Jul 05th 2017
98
When taking the Business Strategy Game seriously goes wrong
Jul 05th 2017
99
The ZO2 Prime is dead, long live the ZO2 Prime Remix
Sep 21st 2017
100
I was JUST coming to post this...
Sep 21st 2017
101
lmaoooo wow
Sep 21st 2017
102
you can cancel your order
Sep 21st 2017
103
RE: The ZO2 Prime is dead, long live the ZO2 Prime Remix
Sep 21st 2017
104
I just copped the weartesters rare metal.
Sep 21st 2017
105
more information
Sep 21st 2017
106
BIG BLACK BALLER BRAND BRAND
Sep 22nd 2017
108
man, I knew there would be some fuckery
Sep 22nd 2017
107
Pretty much every Tesla has.
Sep 22nd 2017
109
      I would never pre order one of those either..lol
Sep 22nd 2017
110
           fair
Sep 22nd 2017
111
another brandblack ripoff lol
Sep 28th 2017
113
it's by far the best move to make
Sep 28th 2017
114
Lebatard unboxing his ZOs on air...
Dec 15th 2017
115
      he's right, this is (was) the worst business in america
Apr 04th 2019
118
RE: The Lonzo Ball Shoe is FOUR HUNDRED NINETY FIVE DOLLARS (swipe)
Apr 04th 2019
116
yeah i heard ramona shelbourne talking about this SMFH
Apr 04th 2019
117
      I don’t really know the details but supposedly this dude is a long...
Apr 04th 2019
119
           they met a year after he got out the joint
Apr 04th 2019
120
                Lavar is an idiot grifter that got in over his head
Apr 05th 2019
121
                     Eggzacklee (c) Magic Johnson
Apr 05th 2019
122
Zo had to change shoes every quarter.
Sep 04th 2019
123
did you even listen to the clip?
Sep 04th 2019
124
key words: during summer league
Sep 04th 2019
125
dude, they were already selling shoes then!
Sep 04th 2019
128
      *pre-order.
Sep 04th 2019
129
           I’m not missing that fact, RJ. It’s *still* dumb.
Sep 04th 2019
130
                how much they cost is whatever
Sep 04th 2019
131
                     its still funny, Zion blew out some Nikes, it can happen to anybody
Sep 05th 2019
133
                          every quarter though? lol
Sep 05th 2019
135
                          honestly that's the weird thing
Sep 05th 2019
137
LOOOOL
Sep 04th 2019
126
what is more Big Baller than blowing through 2Gs worth of kicks in
Sep 04th 2019
127
that's funny lol
Sep 05th 2019
132
Zo seems like a cool dude
Sep 05th 2019
134
      definitely I still root for the kid
Sep 05th 2019
136

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