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theeraser
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"Sam Presti deserves to be fried."


          

The narrative now seems to be that OKC has its deepest team ever, the deepest in the league some people like Barkley even (incorrectly) say. And I've heard a lot about how they're actually excellent right now with certain 5-man combinations, and how their problems are fixable if Billy Donovan could just get them to run better plays (or any plays at all in many instances). But IMO the fatal flaw here is NOT fixable by either coach or players, it's in how the team has been put together is: the most important members of the supporting cast are ONE-WAY PLAYERS. They play 4 on 5 at one end when Roberson is playing, and at the other end Kanter and Waiters can't guard anyone at all. Why would anyone think that approach could lead to a championship?? (Btw, this is why I think OKC's best hope may be rolling with Adams and Cam Payne).

I really don't understand why drafting KD, Russ, and Serge automatically means Presti has a lifetime pass. He never was fried adequately for one of the dumbest trades in league history. He stuck with Scott Brooks for years when it was blindingly obvious Brooks was adding little tactical value, and in fact holding the team back (took him years to develop any offensive sets, made the team play with one hand tied behind its back and basically gave away the 2012 Finals by stubbornly starting Perk, etc). And now he's getting praise for having supposedly built a deep, young team around KD, Russ, and Ibaka that gives them a chance to contend for years and should get the stars to re-up in FA -- when in fact common sense says no matter how good Durant and Westbrook are you can't beat GSW or SA when your starting SG is ignored by opposing defenses and your max-money post player is one of the worst defenders in the entire league.

This is an example of one reason (beyond the latent racism of the pro-analytics dialogue) why overall I'm more sympathetic to "anti-analytics" opinionators than "pro-analytics" ones. Both sides, ingenuously or not, construct strawmen of each other. And obviously getting better data on what's happening on the floor can help coaches make better lineup decisions, GMs make better player evaluations, and players get a better understanding of their own and opponents' strengths and weaknesses. But this stuff is really on the margins. When we're talking about the things that matter most to their' ultimate success, we have a lot of evidence by this point that analytics is not helping teams make the correct decisions.

  

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Sam Presti deserves to be fried. [View all] , theeraser, Sun Mar-06-16 02:41 PM
 
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I almost rolled my eyes out of my skull the other night...
Mar 06th 2016
1
I like this. Here is how I see this problem:
Mar 06th 2016
2
I used to run analytics for Sony DVD sales. help them print Bieber dvds
May 30th 2016
15
yuuuuuup
Jun 26th 2018
65
The owners refused to pay Harden, not Sam Presti
Mar 06th 2016
3
Do you really think they split over $4M or whatever it was?
Mar 06th 2016
5
      It was both the money & his aspirations to be the man
Mar 06th 2016
6
As opposed to the two-way studs they let walk?
Mar 06th 2016
4
...
May 24th 2016
7
Does this mean the Harden trade wasn't bad? I'm confused.
May 25th 2016
10
      Yea. And I'll HAPPILY take an L if they chip. But still don't trust them...
May 25th 2016
12
Wildcard- who expected Durant to play defense
May 24th 2016
8
He looked like Marcus Camby for some stretches tonite.
May 25th 2016
9
Uh KD has been GREAT on D when he wants to be for years now.
May 25th 2016
11
      when he wants to be though, and hasn't done it in this situation
May 25th 2016
13
Dion and Roberson a combined 4-20, Kanter unplayable. I'll take the W
May 30th 2016
14
true.
May 30th 2016
16
Here it is
Jun 24th 2016
17
Here for my L. Presti killed that trade
Jun 24th 2016
18
How do people think he is average though?
Jun 24th 2016
19
Because he let James Harden go, Einstein.
Jun 24th 2016
20
Yes - AND because he put together pieces that don't fit.
Jun 24th 2016
21
Do you think he *wanted* to trade Harden, Oppenheimer?
Jul 05th 2016
27
      You win for "Oppenheimer." Good shit.
Jul 05th 2016
28
      lmao @ oppenheimer.
Jul 06th 2016
31
he gets zero credit for durant
Jun 24th 2016
22
      Someone tried to give Presit credit for Durant? Bwahahah
Jun 24th 2016
23
AND NOW IM HERE FOR A W
Jul 04th 2016
26
      LMAO!!!! good shit, shells.
Jul 06th 2016
29
      The worLLLLLd keep spinnin
Sep 23rd 2017
44
Kev with the flamethrower! LOL
Jul 04th 2016
24
lmao, no shit. rumblings all say russy gone, too.
Jul 04th 2016
25
      He may want to leave but there's no reason he should sign an extension
Jul 06th 2016
30
      well, that's not entirely true...
Jul 06th 2016
33
      That's only sorta true and it's not about willingness to extend now ....
Jul 06th 2016
34
      What's the chance's that Russ was staying long term anyway?
Jul 06th 2016
32
           yeah KD's departure bodes poorly for it in both senses
Jul 06th 2016
35
                I don't know any more than anyone else, but I never thought...
Jul 06th 2016
36
                     I don't suspect anyone was blindsided by this.
Jul 07th 2016
37
                          lulz @ "Westbrook face". my new hope...
Jul 07th 2016
38
                               Happy 4th, gang...
Jul 04th 2017
39
https://twitter.com/HowardBeck/status/911638955728211969
Sep 23rd 2017
40
https://twitter.com/DannyLeroux/status/911647707709632512
Sep 23rd 2017
42
https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-01-2016/WVkNEr.gif
Sep 23rd 2017
41
lol
Sep 23rd 2017
45
This L keep on giving
Sep 23rd 2017
43
This was a W, my G. Presti traded Harden and drove away KD
Sep 24th 2017
46
      drove away KD...the fuck are you talking about?
Sep 24th 2017
48
Respect where it's due, he made great moves for PG and Melo this summer
Sep 24th 2017
47
Not gonna lie bro, this + post 46 is confusing me
Sep 24th 2017
49
      Post 46, I was saying this agenda is a W (not that Presti got a W)
May 17th 2018
55
His legacy will be the guy that couldn't keep OKC together.
May 16th 2018
50
Harden was barely a top 150 at that time...
May 16th 2018
51
Bruh...KD is playing Harden in the WCF...OKC is fishing
May 16th 2018
52
+1, Daryl Morey disagrees with you
May 16th 2018
53
harden is the reason they beat the spurs and made it to the finals
May 17th 2018
56
      yeah, he killed the Spurs that year in the WCF
Jun 26th 2018
63
dude had 3 mvp's and kept the worst one lol.
May 16th 2018
54
      Would they have been the GSW
May 17th 2018
57
           Not with Brooks and Russ. They would've been more like the heat
May 17th 2018
58
                3 finals appearances and 2 chips...is the point.
May 17th 2018
59
                     ^
Jun 09th 2018
60
3 MVPs...squandered
Jun 25th 2018
61
I mean let's not pretend like they sucked with KD/Russ
Jun 26th 2018
62
      Cool, so neither Presti nor Scott Brooks deserves blame?
Jun 26th 2018
64
           Never been a fan of Brooks. Presti is an above average GM overall
Aug 12th 2019
74
                Based on? Letting James Harden go for.....what again?
Aug 19th 2019
84
OKC 1st Team in NBA History to Top $300M in Salary and Luxury Tax
Jul 05th 2018
66
White boyus, bro. I don't understand what's so difficult to grasp.
Jul 05th 2018
67
I am entertained
Jul 05th 2018
68
its coming.
Jul 05th 2018
69
stretching Melo and Singler was coming regardless
Jul 05th 2018
70
      which is another $20M off the tax bill if im not mistaken
Jul 05th 2018
71
      PISTONS GREAT KYLE SINGLER
Jul 05th 2018
72
the whole harden thing was so bizarre
Aug 12th 2019
76
Does he get props for making the best out of a bad situation? After...
Aug 12th 2019
73
credit? dunno. but in the end this disaster was good for his job securit...
Aug 12th 2019
75
I never said anything about "credit", the Clippers, PG and Kawhi bailed....
Aug 13th 2019
78
      props, credit, interchangeable to me.
Aug 13th 2019
82
Sets them up well for sure.
Aug 12th 2019
77
Jesus H. Christ. The copping sounds about white.
Aug 13th 2019
79
its really nothing new, look at Daryl Morey who was hailed as a genius.....
Aug 13th 2019
80
only if the same people are dumping on Paul
Aug 13th 2019
81
100. And he never put the right pieces around KD and Russ.
Aug 19th 2019
83

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