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debating if Parker was the best point guard at a time when the PG position has never been better nor as deep
He finished 2nd in the MVP to Bron who had a career year - so until Kawhi can finish as the 2nd vote getter or wins the award altogether then slow your role
Lets let Kawhi finish in the top 3 MVP race first before you start anointing him "the best SF/player in the league"...
>>You have a tendency to traffic through in the absurd... > >You are talking out of your ass, as always.
>Love went from a top 10 player to a spot up shooter b/c of >LeBron.
Love went from a bottom-feeder to a championship contender - of course his numbers were going to dip when he's now the 3rd option compared to being to no.1 option on a bad team where he could jack up shots at will...
You see he decided to come back to play w/Bron because he wants to play alongside the game's best player and on a team whose season doesn't end in April
Besides, Delly is much improved from last season & >they also added Mo Williams.
So what?!?!? The point is Kawhi/Love/Delly/Mo/Tristan/Mozgov is not the best team in the east - Leonard might not even lead the team in scoring if he were on that squad instead of Lebron lol
>-The Pacers big-man rotation is laughable & they were the 2nd >seed.
They're not in 2nd place
>-The Raptors have been playing without Jonas/Carroll & beating >teams w/ Scola as their #1 big.
And?
>-Celtics have a bunch of role players & Marcus Smart has been >out w/ injury.
Yawn... >-Orlando was the 2nd seed for a minute.....so
Where are they right today, idiot? That's all that matters...the fact that they were a 2nd seed in the first few weeks of the season means absolutely nothing and is another plea cop
>Love/Bron/Tristan/JR/Delly/Mo should be able to get the #1 >seed considering the Hawks were slumping to start the season You mean the same Hawks that got swept by the Cavs in the postseason minus Love/Kyrie...ok gotcha smfh
>Rose has been the worst starting point guard in the league.
So what? They are still a good team and still figuring things out under a new coach/system...and they've had success against teams in the west this season
>>You obviously don't understand how much better Lebron makes >>that team when he's on floor...and they are equally as bad >or >>mediocre when he's not on the floor (see last year stretch >>when Bron was out 2 weeks, they only won 1 gm w/o him but >they >>still had everyone else including Kyrie/Love) > >That's what happens when you refuse to feature Love build the >team around Bron. (See what Bron did to Bosh)
You make no sense...like at all...yes, building around Lebron has instantly made the Cavs a title contender, so only you would try and spin it like its a bad thing...and they've gone out of their way to feature Love this season (minus Kyrie) and his numbers are still abt the same as last season > >>People said the same thing abt the Heat the season after >>Lebron...that they will still be competitive in the East w/o >>Lebron and how that played out...same for the Cavs the first >>go around when they won 62 gms and the following season >minus >>Lebron they went straight to LAST PLACE > >Oh yeah, Bosh wasn't on his death bed & Deng (Bron's >replacement) played 82 games.
Gtfoh lolololololol- Bosh was underperforming on his new and overpriced contract before he got injured...even Pat Riley said there was no excuse for that Heat team not to make the playoffs in a weak east that featured TWO playoffs teams that revamped their entire roster (Bucks/Celtics)... >z >>And FTR, the east is more competitive than the West this >>season > >The West top 4 seed are still a powerhouse & the East isn't >seeing the West in the 2nd rd after the mediocre West teams >get weeded out. Last I checked the Cavs left their western >road trip w/ their tails b/c their legs.
I see you're another poster that likes to exaggerate to make your point - there are currently TWO maybe THREE teams in the west that are legit title contenders (GS/Spurs/maybe OKC)...everyone else including the Clips are on the outside looking in right now...Houston sucks/Dallas and Memphis are pretenders - from top to bottom the east has out performed the west > >>I say all that to say there's no way in hell Kawhi could >carry >>the Cavs if he were on this team instead of Lebron >>The disparity in their passing ability is huge...and what >>separates Bron from any other SF in today's game >>Leonard is not that type of player, period...and I seriously >>doubt if he'd have the same type of success playing >>elsewhere... > >Have you heard this thing called "defense", you might want to >look it up b/c it's pretty important & Kawhi is the best at >it. Kawhi shuts down his matchup thus his point differential >is better than LeBron's. Scoring 30 & giving up 25 isn't >better than scoring 20 & giving up 10. Not to mention Kawhi is >the much more efficient than LeBron & doesn't need to hog the >ball to be effective.
Individual defense doesn't matter nearly as much as TEAM defense and you are underestimating how good defensively the entire Spurs team is...Danny Green has made the all-defense team and Duncan is still a good rim protector
And Kawhi's efficiency can be attributed to the Spurs system because the entire team is efficient w/2 and 3 pt shots...Kawhi in another system that doesn't have the spacing and ball movement of the Spurs yields different results in regards to efficiency... > >>That's because PG is on a really bad team and has to put the >>ball up which sometimes leads to ill-advised and terrible >shot >>selections...if PG were on the Spurs I have no doubt he >would >>be more efficient and the Spurs best player > >PG was also checking Kawhi & he got destroyed on BOTH ends. >Jimmy Butler also gave it to him during their recent meeting >along w/ Klay Thompson & Kris Middleton. PG isn't seeing Kawhi
Most ppl have PG as the 3rd best SF in the league...and I'll say it again, if Kawhi was on the Pacers I doubt he could play better than PG because for one he's not as good a ball handler as PG which means he isn't as adept at creating his own shot as PG...and you don't seem to understand how difficult it becomes when the defense can focus on the main player for a team vs being on a team where its difficult to zero in on a padticular player due to the ball movement/spacing - the Spurs/Kawhi can afford not to play a lot of isolation ball because of their system but Leonard wouldn't have that luxury on another squad...also, PG is a really good defensive player, too and has made 1st team all-defense before...so there's that
>on defense. If Kawhi was gunning like PG (who is a turnover >machine) he would average close to 30.
No he wouldn't - this is Leonard's 1st season averaging 20ppg...but if PG were on the Spurs he could put Kawhi's numbers if not better on the offensive end because he's more of a natural scorer than Kawhi > >PG wouldn't be as valuable in the Spurs system he can't affect >the system as well as Kawhi without scoring (Kawhi/LMA have >had quarter where they didn't get a shot attempt thanks to >Tony Parker). Kawhi is also a better spot up shooter which is >also a requirement in the Spurs offense.
This is Leonard's breakout season and you're acting as if he's been all-nba caliber player...PG was already ahead of Leonard and had the setback w/that severe leg injury... > >>And while Kawhi did get in his jersey, PG did have abt 3 >awful >>gms in a row after that game...so while I do think some of >his >>offensive woes were due to Leonard's D, I do think he >happened >>to go through a horrible stretch...we'll see when they play >>again if it mainly because of Kawhi's D or just a 3 or 4 >game >>stretch of bad bball... > >Excuses, excuses, excuses....remember what happened to in >2013-14, I guess he had a bad half a season.
No, its called FACTS, Sherlock...all you have to do is go look at his next few gms after that game vs Spurs > > >>No, the real question is how much of a better (post) player >is >>LA than Love? I bet most GMs would rather have LA > >That's not what they said before Love signed up to play w/ >Bron. Bosh went from top 10 to not mentioned at all playing w/ >Bron.
Fool, Bosh was NEVER a top 10 player and Bosh playing alongside Lebron has now made him a HOF candidate...and just so you know, Bosh's numbers are abt the same w/o Lebron as they were w/him...except he's (and Wade,too) not as efficient now that Lebron's no longer there to facilitate for the team...
Bosh and Love were putting up numbers on BAD TEAMS....
>>Smh dude, Kawhi averaged an amazing 17.8ppg in the finals >lol > >Big Dummy, he was in early foul trouble in the first 2 games >which messed up his rhythm & Tony Parker was ball hogging.
You are lying once again smh lmao - Kawhi had ONE FOUL in gm 1 and gm 2 he fouled out because Lebron was working him so that explains his fould trouble lololol
>He >matched LeBron at better efficiency from Gm 3-5. Kawhi is a >big game player not a front-runner like Parker.
The foh - Kawhi averaged 10 less points than Lebron which means he took less shots per gm...so Lebron averaging 28ppg on 56% FG and 52% 3-pt FG is more efficient to me than Leonard who averaged abt 12 shots per gm
Leonard was playing like it was preseason...which is why the team WENT TO HIM AND SAID HE HAD TO BE MORE AGGRESSIVE...had nothing to do w/foul trouble > >>And? He was NOT better than Barkley by any stretch and Karl >>Malone moreso than Pippen was probably the reason he didn't >>make 1st team ALL-NBA since he and Malone played the same >>position > >Big Dummy, both forward position are treated the same for >All-NBA teams which is why Kemp/Barkely were 2nd team but keep >making as shyt.
No, how abt you omitting important details like Barkley dealing w/injuries the seasons Pippen made 1st team ALL-NBA - Barkley had severe back pains that caused him to miss the all-star gm...and he tore his quad the following season...that would explain why Pippen made 1st team than what you were trying to suggest lol...keey trying and lying though > >>No, it was the Spurs defense he was struggling against which >>is why Kawhi was giving him space to shoot instead of >letting >>him get in the paint. > >http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/pos... > >Now to analyze LeBron's 2014 Finals in full context. LeBron >was only productive for the first 2 games of the series. In >the final 3 games, LeBron didn't show up on offense or >defense, and was completely outplayed by 13 ppg Kawhi Leonard >across the board. The majority of LeBron's stats over the last >3 games were padded in blowout situations (being down 15+).
Fool, its not "stat padding" when you're down 15+ in the 2nd quarter...so should Lebron have stopped shooting or just come out of the game in the 2nd or 3rd quarter??? Geesh
And Kawhi got what Lebron didn't get in that series: HELP...Kawhi's stats for the series was ok because that win was more abt the Spurs TEAM BALL vs the Heat having only ONE player to show up...Kawhi was by no means dominate > >Games 3-4-5 >Lebron scored 51 of his 81 points (63%) being down 15+ >Leonard scored 27 of his 71 points (38%) being up 15+ >Leonard outscored Lebron 44-30 in non-blowout situations
Yawn.... > >Leonard 23.7 ppg on 69% >LeBron 27.0 ppg on 55% >(Leonard 14% more efficient)
Double yawn.... >>And the notion that "Ray Allen bailed him out" is absurd >even >>coming from you - you seem to conveniently forget that w/a >>little under 7 minutes to go in gm 6 the game looked all but >>over (86-68)...and it was Lebron who SINGLEHANDEDLY got them >>back in the game scoring *20 straight point* all while being >>guarded by Lebron's "defensive stopper," Kawhi Leonard LOLOL >>And he even hit a big 3-pointer to get the Heat within 3 >>(95-92) which set up Ray's shot > >Bruh, Kawhi was a 2nd year player & LeBron was having his best >season ever in 2012-13, it should have NEVER come to Ray Allen >hitting a 3 to bail out LeBron committing 2 dumb turnovers >that almost cost the Heat the championship. LeBron 4th quarter >outbrust came after a shitty 3 quarters so he simply dug >himself out of a hole.
Again, you act as if we're talking abt an individual sport - The Heat were down by 18, not just Lebron
And those turnovers were the result of him trying to do too much since he wasn't getting any help from the "big 2" or anyone else...at least he didn't cost the Heat the game/series like Leonard who completely CHOKED at the FT line... > >If Manu wasn't intent on passing the ball to the Heat >throughout the 2013 Finals,
And don't forget abt Kawhi choking at the line that allowed the Heat to get back in and win that game/series
the Spurs would have come on top >in Gm 6 b/c LeBron was throwing up bricks for a good chunk of >the series.
Lebron was finals MVP...and he DOMINATED Kawhi in a all-time great gm 7 performancei....everything else is just you talking nonsense > >>Boy, stop! (C) Big Boi - are you forgetting gm 1? Lebron was >>beasting on Leonard before he had to sit for crucial minutes >>on the bench dealing w/cramps >>And he damn near won gm 2 by himself torching Kawhi for 35 >pts >>- scoring in spurts my anus lol > >How many of those did he score on Kawhi? (b/c he was on the >bench w/ foul trouble)
There you go w/that plea coppin - but who was it that got him in foul trouble...and for the record, the link YOU posted said Lebron shot 57% against Kawhi...so he obviously scored his points against him lolololol > >>Even the blowout gm 5 Lebron had abt *31* pts AT THE HALF >and >>tried (in vain) to keep the Heat in sttiking distance but >that >>SPURS TEAM (not Leonard) proved to be too much for Lebron >who >>was the ONLY Heat player to show up for that series > >Gm 3: LeBron had a great first 8 minutes (14 pts, 0 >turnovers) but from that point on was locked down by Leonard >and the Spurs defense with 8 points and 7 turnovers in the >last 40 minutes > >Gm 4: Lebron had 9 points in first half and the Heat were >blown out by 19 at halftime. He padded his stats from there, >and did not score on Leonard in the first half. > >Gm 5: Lebron had 1 FG in 2nd quarter (2:30 mark) to bring the >Heat within 5. Then he did not score again until the Heat were >down 21 with 4:40 in the 3rd. He shot 1-6 against Leonard in >this game according to ESPN "MVP Leonard Does it All," and >according to that same article Leonard shot 65% on LeBron's >overrated defense - >http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/91529/mvp-leonard-does-it-all
That link says Lebron shot 57% against Leonard...and he averaged 28 for the series... > >>Because you don't seem to understand that it has more to do >>w/the Spurs system than anything else >Why didn't Richard Jefferson (the guy Kawhi replaced) excel if >it was the Spurs system?
Because Duncan looked done...but then he got in better shape and recommitted himself to the game and became the oldest player to make 1st team ALL-NBA...it wasn't abt Leonard...he had average numbers his first 4 seasons...this year he is playing like an all-star...not before now though > >>That system allows him to flourish - the same it did Tony >>Parker who GREW into an elite PG (remember Parker's earlier >>seasons in San Antonio?) - he was perfect for that system >>which is why most ppl didn't feel like he was better than >CP3 >>even when Parker was playing his best basketball (and wi >ning >>the head-to-head battles against CP3) and finishing 2nd in >the >>MVP voting - because many believed he wouldn't have the same >>type of success playing on another squad whereas CP3 could >do >>what he does on any team you put him on > >Tony Parker is a system player but Kawhi is like Manu/Tim, he >can ball out on any team.
You don't know what the hell you're talking abt (per usual)...go look at Leonard's numbers since he's been w/San Antonio...he's gradually gotten better playing IN THAT SYSTEM just like Parker...he didn't come there ballin...he is a system player too...
Parker in his 3rd year was getting >benched in the Finals (2003)
Parker was a 19 yr old foreigner for heaven's sake...and it wae an adjustment in a different league playing the most difficult and demanding position
meanwhile Kawhi outplayed "best >player in the world" for the last 3 games of the Finals. The >Spurs closed out 2 series (Blazers/OKC) in 2014 w/ Parker in >the lockerroom. Besides, he was scoreless in the championship >clincher until the game was out of hand in the 4th quarter.
Kawhi didn't outplay anyone - he just held his own...he only averaged 17.8ppg and his rebs/assists/ were aight...nothing to boast abt - plus he didn't have to *carry* the Spurs the way Lebron had to do everything for the Heat > >Tony had one great season (2012-13) but he was never better >than Chris Paul. It's not a coincidence that the Spurs got >swept by the Suns (2010) when it was Tony's team. He would >have been Ty Lawson status without Tim/Manu. > >>I can watch Leonard and how he plays and see that he's >>benefiting from playing in a system that gets GREAT SPACING >>on the floor AND EXCELLENT BALL MOVEMENT...which is why not >>only Leonard but the ENTIRE Spurs team is very >>efficient...because they pass up good shots for great shots >>and turn bad shots into good ones > >The Spurs got swept by the Suns & got bounced in the 1st rd by >the 8th seed Grizz when Richard Jefferson was the starting SF >& then proceeded to draft Kawhi who led them to 3 consecutive >WCF.
Kawhi didn't lead shit, idiot - he wasn't even the 2nd or 3rd best player when he got there...he started out as a solid complimentary player w/some upside
I guess Kawhi must be the system b/c Richard Jefferson >along w/ the plethora of Bruce Bowen replacements couldn't cut >it.
You don't understand that their turnaround was more abt Duncan who ppl had written off as being done...dudes on here said Timmay needed to retire several seasons ago but it was as if he found his fountain of youth and went on to make all-star/all-nba teams...how many all-star/all-nba teams has Kawhi made since he's the reason for the Spurs becoming a title contender again???? >
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