Ray was a MONSTER back in his Milwaukee/Seattle days. That Milwaukee team with Big Dog and SamIAm was incredible.

I think the "optic" is that Vince carried his team (or franchise) more as Ray had Rashard Lewis in Seattle (and their team was ass), while once T-Mac left Vince still kept Toronto in the playoffs.

Can't say overall Vince was better, because Ray was a way better defender, and electric in his own right. But it's very very close.

I'd give the slight edge to Ray.

The more interesting is that Ray's a HOF'er...is Vince?