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44. "RE: I hear ya"
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>Finland has no choice but to play a strict system...and
>relatively speaking....the systems are beating the stars at
>this tourney so far. Gotta admit....it would be really nice
>to see Teemu wrap up his career with a gold medal. I'm
>guessing that might be the main reason he decided to play
>another season. What an incredible career that guy's
>had....and he seems to be one of the most well-liked guys
>too.

great point about the systems, certainly we saw that with the success of slovenia and latvia.

selanne would have played in the olympics anyway, i think he mainly came back because he felt cheated by last year in several ways. during the year i was convinced he was going to retire. for the first time there were stretches where he would look old and he told me he FELT it in ways he hadn't before, at least not since his knee was fucked up about ten years ago. but when they got eliminated i got the sense that he was coming back and sure enough he did. more about unfinished business, frankly they blew that series (no disrespect to the wings) and were returning a very good team. bar none the best guy to work with in the league, i will miss him when he's gone but i can't bitch since he has hung on for plenty of "one more year" chants.

>Offensive zone cycling is not working. The rink is too wide
>to cycle along the boards in a way that results in quality
>chances. You really have to score on the rush which is why I
>think Kessel is having so much success. Like we talked about
>before....I think teams have to do alot more circling. If the
>rush doesn't look good then reload. There were times in the
>Canada/Latvia game where we had a cycling-type possession in
>the offensive zone and I really wanted them to pass the puck
>back to their goalie and reload for the rush. They just
>weren't generating chances. The euro teams know how to
>contain the cycle to the outside. It's second-nature to them.
> The blue line being closer to the net makes matters worse.
>So the offensive zone is both wider and shorter....I think
>both those things combined basically kill the cycling
>strategy. And let's face it....Canada's whole style of play
>since the beginning of time has been heavy on cycling. With
>all that in mind....Duschene should definitely replace
>Tavares. They need another rush guy.

yeah grinding along the boards or moving the puck low to high is not the game on the big ice it seems. u.s. has done a lot off the rush, one guy that i think has been having an excellent tournament is pacioretty. he always feels dangerous out there in these games.

canada has the personnel to play whatever style they want but the question is how fast they adjust. i feel like the finns and americans both came in super well prepared. sweden i havent gotten to see as much but there are no holes in their team and they all have experience on the big surface.

>It's interesting...alot of canadian analysts are saying that
>Canada might be better off playing the US cause neither team
>is used to the game format. Perhaps the states won't be able
>to neutralize our cycling like the other teams have. So
>there's an argument that they should stay the course for the
>next game and then make changes for the gold/bronze game.

to me they'd do better playing finland because they have a little bit more of an edge on paper but at this point all the teams are good and you're talking about winning medals now so you've got to be willing to take on all comers.

>What do you think the States need to do? Not sure if they
>should change anything at this point. I'd say they're the
>favorite at this point...then Finland, Canada and Sweden
>respectively. One thing's for sure in my mind though...this
>is the last nhl olympics so the US won't have another shot at
>gold.

U.S. team might have to tighten up its breakouts a little, they are not going to hit as many long passes against Canada. O Zone play has been good, very fluid, lots of changing positions but in a responsible, effective way. Prime example was that third goal right at the end of the first against the Czechs. Their D zone play has also been pretty good, they have had a decent structure, not too many big chances against.

How sure are you that this will be the last NHL Olympics? I also think it's not conceivable to think that the U.S. puts together a competitive team of amateurs, though I do think they'd be at a disadvantage.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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OLYMPIC HOCKEY - Elimination/Medal Round [View all] , cgonz00cc, Wed Feb-19-14 08:43 AM
 
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adios ruskies
Feb 19th 2014
1
LOL RUSSIA LOL.
Feb 19th 2014
2
Damn Russias coach calls out Ovi personally
Feb 19th 2014
3
Ovechkin has turned into a bit of a floater
Feb 19th 2014
4
ovie's last goal in an elimination game was in 2009
Feb 19th 2014
5
If hockey was as popular as basketball or football...
Feb 19th 2014
6
      Crosby still a bitch though...
Feb 19th 2014
7
      agreed 100%
Feb 19th 2014
8
      Absolutely true
Feb 19th 2014
9
      you just have to plug into canadian media, that's all
Feb 19th 2014
15
      Yea...
Feb 20th 2014
25
      That's the thing about narratives
Feb 20th 2014
29
           LOL like clockwork
Feb 20th 2014
31
           Surprised it took a day
Feb 20th 2014
33
           That's the thing with results
Feb 20th 2014
34
I assume he has an explanation for Malkin.
Feb 20th 2014
27
      He was busy coaching I guess?
Feb 20th 2014
45
Uh.....Latvia?
Feb 19th 2014
10
Ted Nolan is the Nolan Richardson of international hockey
Feb 19th 2014
17
      It's really hard to get the scoop on his story.....
Feb 19th 2014
21
           I've heard that rumor but it doesn't seem like him
Feb 19th 2014
22
                Haven't googled it yet...
Feb 19th 2014
23
                     RE: Haven't googled it yet...
Feb 20th 2014
43
We're all getting what we wanted...
Feb 19th 2014
11
Not sure how intense a 5-1 Canadian win's gonna be.
Feb 19th 2014
14
I wouldnt say Sweden cruised
Feb 19th 2014
12
Probly the story of the tournament so far.
Feb 19th 2014
13
they played inspired but they were desperately undermanned
Feb 19th 2014
16
      7 ice rinks
Feb 19th 2014
19
           yeah i mean they were not going to let him beat them, period
Feb 19th 2014
20
I think Finland has to feel the best about what happened today
Feb 19th 2014
18
I hear ya
Feb 20th 2014
24
     
           That's what everyone's saying here.
Feb 20th 2014
63
Tavares likely out for rest of NHL season
Feb 20th 2014
26
Wasn't Zetterberg already banged up?
Feb 20th 2014
28
RE: Wasn't Zetterberg already banged up?
Feb 20th 2014
54
      The players want it and the IIHF can put the screws to the NHL
Feb 20th 2014
60
           I think Bettman would lose the brinkmanship.
Feb 20th 2014
61
Kessler's hurt???
Feb 20th 2014
55
      his hand is fucked up
Feb 20th 2014
57
           ohhh....
Feb 20th 2014
59
Is USA-Canada being shown live?
Feb 20th 2014
30
why wouldnt it? ive watched them all live up to now
Feb 20th 2014
32
am I just not seeing it?
Feb 20th 2014
36
      wait, it's listed as hockey/speedskating
Feb 20th 2014
37
           thats because coverage is in 6 hr blocks
Feb 20th 2014
39
                I was kidding about switching back and forth
Feb 20th 2014
40
                     why haven't you just gone to nhl.com??
Feb 20th 2014
41
                     I was making the mistake
Feb 20th 2014
42
                     googling "olympic hockey schedule" worked for me
Feb 20th 2014
46
                          "olympic hockey tv schedule" didn't work for me
Feb 20th 2014
48
                               lol I was being serious, not snarky
Feb 20th 2014
65
                                    no I know you were
Feb 21st 2014
83
They announced at the beginning of the tourney that all games...
Feb 20th 2014
35
Pierre sounds like a pervert calling this gold medal game...
Feb 20th 2014
38
he is really creepy calling the mens WJC every year.
Feb 20th 2014
64
USA WOMEN'S HOCKEY: EPIC CHOKERS
Feb 20th 2014
47
Seattle wins one championship and ya'll start talking loud...
Feb 20th 2014
49
Not sure what Seattle has to do w/ women's hockey...
Feb 20th 2014
50
that shit felt inevitable though.
Feb 20th 2014
51
really?
Feb 20th 2014
52
      yeah
Feb 20th 2014
56
Reminded me of Gm 6
Feb 20th 2014
53
thought i was watching leafs vs bruins all over again.
Feb 20th 2014
58
For your viewing pleasure:
Feb 20th 2014
62
Wow what a great game.
Feb 20th 2014
66
      Talking about the trip??
Feb 21st 2014
67
THIS FUCKING GOAL BETTER COUNT
Feb 21st 2014
68
that seemed to wake the swedes up
Feb 21st 2014
69
      yeah, they picked up the physical game first
Feb 21st 2014
70
           damn it kinda was over, not much pop from finland here
Feb 21st 2014
71
                felt like that PP with ~8 min left was their last gasp
Feb 21st 2014
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                     yeah it was pretty much trash
Feb 21st 2014
73
Americans transition already causing problems.
Feb 21st 2014
74
yeah man, kane had a nice one, too, textbook work by price on it
Feb 21st 2014
76
Two tactical games thus far but this game has way quicker pace
Feb 21st 2014
75
There you go
Feb 21st 2014
77
Its like watching a Kings game
Feb 21st 2014
78
16 to play in the third, awesome sequence from quick
Feb 21st 2014
79
      game could have easily been 3 or 4 to nothing
Feb 21st 2014
82
           yeah, the better team clearly won
Feb 21st 2014
85
well that's that.
Feb 21st 2014
80
yeah i was disappointed and not just by the result
Feb 23rd 2014
88
      The puck just wouldn't stay flat.
Feb 23rd 2014
89
           RE: The puck just wouldn't stay flat.
Feb 23rd 2014
92
*trashes hotel room*
Feb 21st 2014
81
Well shit.
Feb 21st 2014
84
5-0. Can't see that wasn't predictable.
Feb 22nd 2014
86
They were dead today, fucking spanked behind the bench vs Canada
Feb 23rd 2014
87
1-0 after one
Feb 23rd 2014
90
they are not a conservative team though
Feb 23rd 2014
91
tough game for berglund here
Feb 23rd 2014
93
2-0.....ice tipped west
Feb 23rd 2014
94
      RE: 2-0.....ice tipped west
Feb 23rd 2014
95
           It was a secret defensive move in the 80's though.
Feb 23rd 2014
97
                IMO icing does punish the offending team
Feb 23rd 2014
99
good night gooood niiiiight goooooooooood niiiiiiiiiight (c) the bee gee...
Feb 23rd 2014
96
Cheers
Feb 23rd 2014
98
Nice to see Backstrom step up and be a leader
Feb 23rd 2014
100
don't forget about the tin man, mike green. backstrom got fucked tho
Feb 23rd 2014
102
      id be more likely to think Lubo got lucky
Feb 24th 2014
107
Canada was just too good. So much talent.
Feb 23rd 2014
101
Babcock brought it all home
Feb 23rd 2014
103
      Coaching matters.
Feb 23rd 2014
105
Good for Vlasic! Good for Marleau! But especially good for Vlasic...
Feb 23rd 2014
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he's turned into an extremely reliable player
Feb 24th 2014
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i'm happy because hockey fans are mad
Feb 24th 2014
108
which ones?
Feb 24th 2014
109
Go back to Canada you communist.
Feb 24th 2014
110
who is mad? the best team won and selanne went out on top
Feb 24th 2014
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