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icecold21
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"Right today, how many franchise players are in the NBA?"


  

          

LeBron
Durant
CP3
Howard
Rose

If we're talking top 5, I don't see how you can argue for anyone else

Melo
Wade - got about 3 great years left IMO, then he's just good
Deron
Rondo - he's proved it
Kobe - for now, but probably his last year on this list
Love
Westbrook - could probably build a team around him, won't get a chance to with Durant, but I think he's shown enough

Not just yet:
Bynum - could be there real soon, probably this year
Kyrie - likely on his way
Wall - can still happen
Big Cuz - if he ever gets his shit together, he has the potential
Unibrow

Dirk is still very good, but not great anymore, Blake I don't think could ever be a true centerpiece, I could see making an argument for TP, but I just don't see how he's on those other guys' level.

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Right today, how many franchise players are in the NBA? [View all] , icecold21, Mon Sep-03-12 01:33 PM
 
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After his injury, I would be hesitant to put Rose as a franchise
Sep 03rd 2012
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That might be true, but until he proves otherwise, he should be on there
Sep 03rd 2012
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      see it's the other way around for me, I don't anticipate him
Sep 03rd 2012
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           I feel you, but it's not a guarantee that he won't be
Sep 03rd 2012
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                would you trade Bynum for Rose right today? I sure as hell wouldn't
Sep 03rd 2012
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                     LOL I see your point
Sep 03rd 2012
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                     Right today? I would take Bynum
Sep 04th 2012
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                          of course, I think most would besides maybe Bull Fans
Sep 04th 2012
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Define franchise player.
Sep 03rd 2012
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Right, it could have a few different meanings
Sep 03rd 2012
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Mario Chalmers. n/m
Sep 03rd 2012
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and perkins
Sep 03rd 2012
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At this point, I think its safe to include Bynum as a franchise player
Sep 03rd 2012
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He hasn't been one yet, but I think he will be this season
Sep 03rd 2012
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Its funny how Chris Paul's name always gets thrown in as an automatic...
Sep 03rd 2012
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his per and win shares high.
Sep 03rd 2012
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He gave the Lakers a run for their money all by himself
Sep 03rd 2012
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based on what criteria?
Sep 03rd 2012
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      of ALL the pgs in the league, he has played w/the most inferior
Sep 03rd 2012
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      Paul's teammates in New Orleans weren't any less talented than....
Sep 03rd 2012
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           you're joking, right?...well, lets take a look at their teammates
Sep 03rd 2012
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                lol, what?
Sep 03rd 2012
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                     RE: lol, what?
Sep 03rd 2012
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                          lol, so you just gonna ignore that Harris/Favors thing huh? okayplayer.....
Sep 03rd 2012
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                               Here's an article from today on how his teammates improve
Sep 03rd 2012
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                               RE: lol, so you just gonna ignore that Harris/Favors thing huh? okayplay...
Sep 04th 2012
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                                    honestly I don't have anything against Paul, I just do understand why...
Sep 04th 2012
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                                         RE: honestly I don't have anything against Paul, I just do understand wh...
Sep 04th 2012
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                                              RE: honestly I don't have anything against Paul, I just do understand wh...
Sep 04th 2012
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                                                   ***raises hand***
Sep 04th 2012
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      Being the best offensive player in the nba
Sep 03rd 2012
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      again, based on what? is this the "win shares" argument again?
Sep 03rd 2012
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      That he's the best PG in the NBA?
Sep 03rd 2012
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      that's they question, how do you quantify that? what is that opinion...
Sep 03rd 2012
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           Can't think of anyone else I'd rather have on my team
Sep 03rd 2012
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                So its just your personal opinion? cool.
Sep 03rd 2012
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                     So what the hell are you looking for then?
Sep 03rd 2012
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                          RE: So what the hell are you looking for then?
Sep 03rd 2012
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                               You really haven't answered any of my questions
Sep 04th 2012
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                                    I'm not big on the hypothetical shit talking about what somebody...
Sep 04th 2012
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                                         I think basing a player's greatness or stature on playoff wins
Sep 05th 2012
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                                              Lebron made it to the Finals in his 4th year, his status was cement...
Sep 05th 2012
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                                                   defense does show up in win shares
Sep 05th 2012
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                                                   first team all defense chris paul?
Sep 05th 2012
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                                                   So its just your personal opinion? cool.
Sep 05th 2012
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                                                   wow, you don't know anything.
Sep 05th 2012
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      RE: based on what criteria?
Sep 04th 2012
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whether Paul fits your or others criteria for being a franchise player
Sep 03rd 2012
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lol, I'm just trying to determine what the "criteria" ...
Sep 03rd 2012
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      RE: lol, I'm just trying to determine what the "cri...
Sep 03rd 2012
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           where are you getting this from?
Sep 04th 2012
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                Can you name another player you think is a better leader?...but
Sep 04th 2012
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                     all that and couldn't win 1 game against the Spurs in the playoffs
Sep 04th 2012
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                          I'm convinced you either really don't watch basketball as much as
Sep 04th 2012
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                               you posted a fluff piece from an organization that had just acquired
Sep 04th 2012
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                                    1st of all, I doubt if you read the entire article and 2ndly pgs in
Sep 04th 2012
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                                         chris paul is the NBAs ray lewis now?
Sep 04th 2012
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                                         RE: 1st of all, I doubt if you read the entire article and 2ndly pgs in
Sep 04th 2012
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Chris Paul teams always outperform the given talent level
Sep 04th 2012
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the "teammates suck" excuse wasn't good enough for bron or AI
Sep 04th 2012
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TALKABOUTIT
Sep 04th 2012
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how can you say it didn't work for Lebron or AI when the fact of the
Sep 04th 2012
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who's questioning if he is a franchise player or not?
Sep 04th 2012
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      nah, I think you need to re-read what Truth is saying in regards to Paul
Sep 04th 2012
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RE: the "teammates suck" excuse wasn't good enough for bron or...
Sep 04th 2012
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      bron and AI were both ragged on here for not doing enough with
Sep 04th 2012
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           you've got it backwards. ai and bron were accepted
Sep 04th 2012
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           not arguing that.
Sep 04th 2012
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           RE: bron and AI were both ragged on here for not doing enough with
Sep 04th 2012
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cry!
Sep 05th 2012
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i kinda dont believe PGs can be franchise players.
Sep 03rd 2012
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bron is just a big-ass point guard though
Sep 03rd 2012
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lol...
Sep 03rd 2012
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ask kobe and durant what they think about paul
Sep 03rd 2012
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      RE: ask kobe and durant what they think about paul
Sep 03rd 2012
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           tony parker is better in 2012 than kobe too
Sep 03rd 2012
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                ok so this is a anti-Kobe agenda and has nothing to do with Paul?
Sep 03rd 2012
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                     any objective basketball discussion involving kobe in 2012
Sep 04th 2012
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                          lol, who the fuck are you talking about? Smush Parker?
Sep 05th 2012
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man bron is an anomaly.
Sep 03rd 2012
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Yea. Magic Johnson damn sure wasn't a franchise player.
Sep 03rd 2012
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      i consider him a point forward like bron.
Sep 03rd 2012
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           magic was a pg fam
Sep 03rd 2012
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                Franchise Players...
Sep 03rd 2012
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                Iggy = Hasn't watched basketball for the last 10 years
Sep 03rd 2012
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                *looks at how Philly treats their franchise players*
Sep 03rd 2012
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                ^^^This dude said 'Iggy' & 'Monta'
Sep 03rd 2012
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                yeah i said it...
Sep 03rd 2012
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                     Monta isn't selfish?
Sep 04th 2012
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                     http://thumbs.anyclip.com/tOeKslZuF/tmb_4600_480.jpg
Sep 04th 2012
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                     monta sucks.
Sep 05th 2012
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                ^^^ left off Kyrie and put Monta, LMAO
Sep 03rd 2012
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                i am waiting to see this season...
Sep 04th 2012
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                     So because Monta got .6 dimes more in his 7th year...
Sep 04th 2012
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                          lol.
Sep 04th 2012
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                          don't be a daft dickrider
Sep 04th 2012
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                               deron williams avg 4.5 assists his rookie year
Sep 04th 2012
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                                    and who was saying Rondo and Deron were franchise players
Sep 04th 2012
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                                         deron? plenty of folks...rondo maybe not until his 3rd year.
Sep 04th 2012
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                                         More or less everyone assumed Deron was going to be one.
Sep 04th 2012
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                                              wait, so we are changing history...
Sep 04th 2012
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                                                   he crushed building with 2 more assists? for real?
Sep 04th 2012
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                                                   their rookie seasons are pretty comparable actually.
Sep 04th 2012
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                                                   No the fuck they are not...
Sep 04th 2012
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                                                        who said he's on the level of chris paul today? we are talking about
Sep 04th 2012
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                                                             I am talking about Paul's rookie year...
Sep 04th 2012
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                                                                  his rookie numbers were very Andre Millerish but he's a franchise player
Sep 04th 2012
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                                                                       and my point is...you can't tell off a rookie year always
Sep 04th 2012
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                                                                       That would be fine if you didn't have niggas who have already proven
Sep 04th 2012
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                                                                       Nobody's butthurt. You just sound like a dumbass.
Sep 05th 2012
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                                                                       Just because a team is going to try and build around a player
Sep 04th 2012
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                                                                       dude there is no vesting period to become a franchise player
Sep 04th 2012
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                                                   7.8 > 5.4
Sep 04th 2012
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                                                   lol he's not showing signs of being able to lead a team to the playoffs
Sep 04th 2012
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                RE: Franchise Players...
Sep 04th 2012
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                     i don't think Kobe right today is franchise
Sep 04th 2012
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                He was, however
Sep 04th 2012
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                     i understand that
Sep 04th 2012
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                     Magic was still much more of a natural PG than Bron tho
Sep 04th 2012
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                          agreed, but the point is Magic wasn't just ANY pg
Sep 05th 2012
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LaMarcus Aldridge
Sep 03rd 2012
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What has LaMarcus proven that Rondo hasn't?
Sep 04th 2012
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yeah, as good as Aldridge is he doesn't dominate games
Sep 04th 2012
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he occasionally dominates, but admittedly not enough
Sep 04th 2012
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      yeah he has his moments, that's why he's a star
Sep 04th 2012
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           He's one of the most consistent players in the league.
Sep 04th 2012
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                lol that doesn't even make sense.
Sep 05th 2012
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                My bad...
Sep 05th 2012
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                scoring-wise he's consistent
Sep 05th 2012
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3 years? lol
Sep 04th 2012
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      If you think LaMarcus is better than Rondo then you're delusional
Sep 05th 2012
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           I didn't say that LMA was better than Rondo.
Sep 05th 2012
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                lol not building around rondo?
Sep 05th 2012
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                     Because Boston didn't want to resign Ray?
Sep 06th 2012
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Nigga popped off on Rondo, yet started with Lamarcus...lol
Sep 04th 2012
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      Started?
Sep 04th 2012
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           "Subject: Lamarcus Aldridge"
Sep 04th 2012
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                lolz
Sep 05th 2012
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Franchise player meaning the center piece to build a successful
Sep 03rd 2012
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I'm puzzled at people's inclusion of Rondo
Sep 04th 2012
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      Did you watch the playoffs this year. Yeah Bron went bath salt
Sep 04th 2012
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           ^^^^
Sep 04th 2012
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                played all 53 minutes of an OT game
Sep 04th 2012
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                     KG played MVP caliber ball...
Sep 04th 2012
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                          espn is full of idiots
Sep 05th 2012
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                               I'll let you handle it, dude didn't address any of my points, just
Sep 05th 2012
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                                    Your point was that Rondo carried the Celtics...
Sep 05th 2012
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                                         No, my point was we all reveled in Bron's ECF performance
Sep 05th 2012
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                                              I was amazed at Rondo's performance, too.
Sep 06th 2012
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Franchise players at the very least get their teams to the playoffs
Sep 04th 2012
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So Kobe wasn't a franchise player when he missed the playoffs?
Sep 04th 2012
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kobe missed the playoffs once out of how many years? i can live w/
Sep 04th 2012
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agreed that's why Love shouldn't even be in the conversation yet
Sep 04th 2012
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eh love woulda made it last year without the injuries. Every rule has
Sep 04th 2012
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      like I said above I'm not too big on hypotheticals talking about what...
Sep 04th 2012
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           i can respect that...i disagree, but i hear where you are coming from.
Sep 04th 2012
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damn this dumb logic got broken down with only 2 replies
Sep 04th 2012
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lol wuuut...they BOTH said they agree with me.
Sep 04th 2012
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If That's The Criteria, Then Melo HAS To Be One
Sep 04th 2012
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Howard is not on the list
Sep 04th 2012
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He took the Magic to the Finals and put the team on his back
Sep 04th 2012
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right, Dwight went to the Finals with Shard and fucking Hedo
Sep 04th 2012
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      damn, talk abt revisionist history lmao
Sep 04th 2012
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           they weren't swept
Sep 04th 2012
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                and Jameer was injured and missed the 2nd half of the season and...
Sep 04th 2012
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                nigga went to the finals wit skip to my fucking lou
Sep 05th 2012
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                'dat revisionist history lmao
Sep 05th 2012
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                     lol
Sep 05th 2012
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this is the bizarro franchise player argument
Sep 04th 2012
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lol, basically
Sep 04th 2012
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Except he wasn't the reason they made it to the Finals. But okay
Sep 05th 2012
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      lucky for you the football season starts tonight
Sep 05th 2012
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Lolz I guess Lebron ain't one either
Sep 04th 2012
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FOH
Sep 04th 2012
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MiniKG has a chance to be a Franchise Player.
Sep 04th 2012
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unfortunately, i think the mini part is why he probably won't.
Sep 05th 2012
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      HARDEN? Franchise Player?
Sep 05th 2012
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      He'd at least get a STAR reception if traded.
Sep 05th 2012
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      lol, these off-season NBA post make my head hurt, my first mind...
Sep 05th 2012
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      lol @ durant being on the verge
Sep 05th 2012
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      aside from the other LOL moments others have noted
Sep 05th 2012
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           Before it was, "The team is too good he doesn't have to do much"
Sep 05th 2012
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           lol. he's basketball goldilocks.
Sep 05th 2012
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           a pass-first pg running an offense that scores as efficiently as the...
Sep 05th 2012
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                lol what?
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                     hint: the celtics are towards the bottom
Sep 05th 2012
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                          i'm trying to understand the point of mentioning a pass first pg
Sep 05th 2012
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                               RE: i'm trying to understand the point of mentioning a pass first pg
Sep 05th 2012
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                                    point is, you're failing basic standards of logic
Sep 05th 2012
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                                         RE: point is, you're failing basic standards of logic
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came in here anticipating a clusterfuck.
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the bad thing is that we have this discussion almost every month
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      apparently lebron's the only guy in the league
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           i especially enjoyed the shunning of dirk.
Sep 05th 2012
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                lol
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                bankshots, bitches, beauboisquiats!!!
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there's only a handful.
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Only Lebron and Durant at this point.
Sep 05th 2012
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D12 is over rated?
Sep 05th 2012
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      lol
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      Dude, Dwight is very overrated. Inflated rebound numbers....
Sep 05th 2012
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           what, be the best player on the prohibitive title favorite?
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           lol, the Magic did it unsuccessfully. Yeah, they got to the Finals....
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                smh.
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           serious question, how does one acquire Inflated rebound numbers....
Sep 05th 2012
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                When you play with lazy-ass teammates, so you get all the rebounds....
Sep 05th 2012
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                     anyway, your critique of D12 seems solely based on offense
Sep 05th 2012
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                     no no no no no, you don't get it.
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                     oh, is that the franchise that had those world beaters on their roster
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                          i'm assuming that one of the qualifications for "franchise players"
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                               oh yeah, the iso clear out under 10 seconds play
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                               RE: oh yeah, the iso clear out under 10 seconds play
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                               Except I didn't say any of that, but at least you got to post something.
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                     lol, right, people only look at half the game, half the time Durant...
Sep 05th 2012
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                     Except Russy and Harden aren't franchise...but okay.
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                     I see we got some Dwight fans in the house......
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                     lol, FOH acting like Dwight is Ben Wallace are somebody....
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                     lol, wait, Dwight is dominant on offense now?
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                          there's still only like a handful of dudes in the league that can defend...
Sep 05th 2012
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                               None, but that hardly means he's dominant. David Lee....
Sep 05th 2012
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                                    Do either one of those guys make 57% of their baskets? I didn't...
Sep 05th 2012
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                                         Aww, don't be like that. I'm just sayin.
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                                              20ppg when you make almost 60% of your shots IS dominant...
Sep 05th 2012
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                                                   no, it's not...but okay
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                                                        okayplayer.
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                     the argument you're making for Durant is the same argument
Sep 05th 2012
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                          Not really. Durant's defense is not even close to being as much a liabil...
Sep 05th 2012
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                     This may answer your question about Durant's defense.
Sep 05th 2012
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                          and when Ibaka puts up 20+ PPG he'll be a franchise player
Sep 05th 2012
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                               You mean just like David Lee?
Sep 05th 2012
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                                    and lead his team in Rebs and Blks...yeah, then we can talk
Sep 05th 2012
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                                         right, you gotta come up with like 3 people to do everything...
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                                              You have a guy that supposedly does all that, yet can't get a chip.
Sep 05th 2012
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                                                   how long did it take Lebron to get one?
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                                                        Who gives a fuck about Lebron, we talkin about Dwight.
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                                                             well you said Lebron and Dwight are the only franchise players...
Sep 05th 2012
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                                                                  correction, he's arguing for Durant, who also doesn't have a ring
Sep 05th 2012
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                                                                  Yeah, he'll get his chip this year. He's going to be in the best positio...
Sep 05th 2012
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                                                                       and you still don't get it. he's a 3-time defensive player of the year.....
Sep 05th 2012
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                     is that Lamarcus' excuse? lol
Sep 05th 2012
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                          Um, no excuses. I've admitted he needs to board better.
Sep 05th 2012
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It all depends on how you define franchise
Sep 05th 2012
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