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70. "RE: I gave you power, I made you buck wild (c)..."
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Powerful subject line! Haha

As for Harden, it is okay if it is over in Houston. We all should know that they aren't gonna win with him as the best player.

I thought the initial deal to bring him to Houston was a bad one. I thought he was unfit to any team's best player. I'll accept that he ended up being a lot better scorer than I thought he would be.

Outside of that? Dude is a joke superstar. He ain't winning as the best player on a team. I don't trust him to be the template for a team culture...*looks around*.

I don't want him being the guy who has to play lights out every night to win cuz he went to Houston already having 'come up lame when it matters most' on his record with his 6th man role with OKC. And then he's just added onto that legacy repeatedly since then. How man dog performances has he laid down only to seem totally fine to be out and about chillin just after? I want some Lil Mac lost 3 times on PunchOut sad music for at least a little while!

I d@mn sure don't want him being a fake GM that some team has to consult on free agents and trades. And if a teammate says 'hey mane, wassup on that bullshiiiid' when he's not being a pro, he's gonna go in a back office somewhere and cry to get that dude out of town? Lame.

And now that the team is basically done contending, I damn sure don't care about Houston trying to trade him to some team where he could win and then act like the Rox organization was the problem with his career the whole time.

>https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30528130/james-harden-houston-rockets-breaking-point
>
>James Harden and the Houston Rockets are at a breaking point
>play
>5:48 AM CT
>Tim MacMahon
>ESPN Staff Writer
>
>THE HOUSTON ROCKETS' culture in the James Harden era, which
>bridges two owners and now four head coaches, might be best
>summed up by a former staffer's three words:
>
>"Whatever James wants."
>
>Unless they were on the front end of a back-to-back set, it
>was essentially a sure thing that the Rockets stayed overnight
>-- or even an extra day -- after games in Los Angeles, Phoenix
>and other road cities that rank among Harden's favorite
>stops.
>
>If the Rockets had two or three days between games, it was a
>good bet Harden would call for an off day and charter a
>private jet to party in Las Vegas or another city. He always
>gets an excused absence from the first practice after the
>All-Star break for the same reason.
>
>"Just James being James," those currently within the franchise
>say. But these circumstances are drastically different than at
>any previous point of the perennial All-Star's eight-year
>Houston tenure.
>
>And the Rockets considered it good business to do what Harden
>wanted to keep a historically elite player happy. But when
>Harden tried to rush the Rockets to trade him in recent weeks
>despite the lack of an offer that they considered fair value,
>it wasn't the annual ultimatum for improvement. It was
>something more.
>
>By leaving the Rockets twisting in the wind while camp opened
>with little communication, Harden made his absence the focus
>of rookie head coach Stephen Silas' first days of practice.
>And by blowing off the NBA's COVID-19 protocols, partying
>maskless during the pandemic and boasting about it on
>Instagram, Harden revealed what could come if he doesn't get
>his way.
>
>"Yeah, he's going to act up," a former Rockets staffer said.
>
>"He's never heard 'no' before."
>
>
>After eight All-Star seasons with the Rockets, James Harden is
>pushing for a trade out of Houston. Michael Reaves/Getty
>Images
>MULTIPLE ROCKETS OFFICIALS acknowledge that the entire
>organization has been "complicit" in the culture that has been
>created over the past eight years.
>
>"We knew who the boss of the organization was," a former
>Rockets assistant coach said. "That's just part of what the
>deal was when you go to Houston. The players, coaches, GM,
>owner all know.
>
>"I don't blame James. I blame the organization. It's not his
>fault. He did what they allowed him to do."
>
>Yet there is not a consensus among current and former Rockets
>officials and staffers that empowering Harden to such extremes
>was the wrong path. The Rockets were trending toward NBA
>irrelevancy before Harden's arrival in Houston, missing the
>playoffs each of the previous three seasons.
>
>Former Rockets general manager Daryl Morey took a calculated
>risk in projecting that the reigning Sixth Man of the Year
>would become a bona fide superstar when he shipped Kevin
>Martin, then-rookie lottery pick Jeremy Lamb and a package of
>NBA draft picks to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Harden. The
>Rockets haven't missed the playoffs since, the only franchise
>that can make that claim.
>
>"If they have multiple days off, everybody knows: James is
>going to fly somewhere else and party. But he's going to come
>back and have a 50-point triple-double, so they're OK with
>it."
>Member of Houston's 2019-20 coaching staff
>Houston hasn't accomplished its ultimate goal during its run
>with Harden, advancing to the Western Conference finals twice
>but never past that point. But the brilliance of Harden, the
>2017-18 MVP and a top-three finisher in the balloting four
>other times over the past six years, provided Houston
>realistic hope of contending that only a handful of teams have
>each season.
>
>He's also one of the sport's most durable stars, routinely
>ranking among the league leaders in minutes and often playing
>through injuries such as sprained ankles and shoulder bruises
>that would cause other players to rest. All these things made
>it easy for the Rockets to look the other way when it came to
>Harden's hard-living lifestyle.
>
>But the lack of discipline and attention to detail hasn't been
>OK with Paul and Russell Westbrook, ultimately leading to
>breakups between Harden and those two stars.
>
>The peak of the franchise's Harden era came during Paul's
>first season in Houston, when the Rockets had a league-best 65
>wins during the regular season and built a 3-2 lead over the
>Golden State Warriors in the Western Conference finals. But
>the Rockets lost the last two games of that series with Paul
>sidelined -- "a hamstring away" is a phrase that will forever
>haunt Houston fans -- and the chemistry between the
>ball-dominant co-stars blew up the following season.
>
>One of Paul's biggest beefs, sources said, was that Harden
>basically opted not to participate in the Rockets' offense
>when the ball wasn't in his hands, sometimes barely stepping
>over half court while spectating when Paul had the ball.
>Harden quickly tired of Paul barking about his concerns, which
>included lobbying coach Mike D'Antoni to implement more
>structure and movement in an offensive system that revolved
>around Harden's isolations, sources said.
>
>Rockets management believed those issues could be ironed out
>and wanted to run it back with the Harden-Paul duo last
>season. Those plans changed as soon as Westbrook became
>available.
>
>Harden insisted the Rockets get the deal done, saying he'd
>demand a trade if they didn't find a way to bring his
>childhood friend and former OKC teammate to Houston, sources
>said. The Rockets paid a price that was considered steep at
>the time -- Paul, 2024 and 2026 first-round picks, and swap
>rights in 2021 and 2025.
>
>Sources said Westbrook frequently expressed his displeasure
>during the season with not being able to "play my game," as he
>put it. There were questions about the Harden-Westbrook fit
>when they were pushing to play together again, including
>D'Antoni privately expressing his concerns, sources said.
>
>Those concerns were quieted, internally and externally, when
>Westbrook thrived after the Rockets' switch to small ball
>opened up the floor. He averaged 32.2 points, 8.2 rebounds and
>7.0 assists per game while shooting 53.1% from the floor over
>a two-month span before the coronavirus pandemic halted the
>season.
>
>HOUSTON'S CASUAL CULTURE appalled Westbrook. In Oklahoma City,
>despite the fact that he enjoyed the same sort of superstar
>privileges as Harden has had in Houston, the Thunder operated
>with the discipline of a military unit under Westbrook's
>watch. The Rockets were a stark contrast, especially last
>season under D'Antoni, who was never known as a disciplinarian
>and who was a lame duck in the last year of his contract after
>extension negotiations infamously fizzled twice over the
>summer.
>
>Westbrook didn't tolerate tardiness. With the Rockets,
>scheduled departure times were treated as mere suggestions by
>Harden and others.
>
>"Nothing ever starts on time," a former Rockets staffer said.
>"The plane is always late. The bus is never on time. ... It's
>just an organized AAU team."
>
>On one occasion in the Florida bubble, Harden waited to get
>his daily COVID-19 testing until just before the Rockets' film
>session was scheduled to start. When he wasn't on time,
>Westbrook barked, "Start the film! Start without him!"
>D'Antoni explained that they'd just have to start over when
>Harden arrived, which didn't do much to calm Westbrook.
>
>Whether Westbrook or Harden wanted out first isn't clear, but
>they no longer wanted to play together, a season after the
>Rockets mortgaged their draft future to make it happen.
>
>Morey, the man who negotiated that deal with owner Tilman
>Fertitta's approval, made his exit before either star asked to
>be traded. Rafael Stone, who was promoted to general manager
>after Morey's resignation and move to become president of
>basketball operations for the Philadelphia 76ers, was left to
>deal with the messy aftermath.
>
>As one high-ranking Rockets source told ESPN in November, the
>franchise was "willing to get uncomfortable" by going into the
>season with disgruntled superstars on the roster. The Rockets
>ended up trading Westbrook just before camp opened, sending
>him to the Washington Wizards for John Wall (fresh off a
>two-year injury layoff) and a protected future first-round
>pick, an admission that the previous offseason's deal to
>acquire Westbrook was a disastrous decision.
>
>But Houston has its heels dug in regarding Harden, refusing at
>this point to consider an offer unless it includes a young
>franchise cornerstone and a bundle of first-round picks and/or
>promising players on rookie deals. Sources say Harden, who had
>been singularly focused on trying to force his way to the
>Brooklyn Nets, has indicated to the Rockets that he would be
>agreeable to a trade to the 76ers or other select contenders.
>
>After the Rockets let it be known they would not be swayed by
>unhappiness, Harden delayed his arrival to camp, instead
>choosing to hang out with rapper Lil Baby -- gifting his
>friend a Prada bag stuffed with honey buns, a $100,000 brick
>of cash (aka a "Honey Bun") and a Richard Mille watch worth
>well into six figures for Lil Baby's birthday -- while leaving
>Silas hanging.
>
>Harden reported to the Rockets on Dec. 8, a week after his
>teammates, tested negative for the coronavirus for an
>NBA-mandated six consecutive days and finally practiced with
>the team on Monday. He had a "good conversation" about
>basketball strategy with Silas, according to the coach, who
>had minimal communication with his point guard until that
>point. But Harden has yet to speak to the media since his late
>arrival to training camp, a violation of NBA rules.
>
>The Rockets hope Harden, who played 21 minutes in Tuesday's
>preseason victory over the San Antonio Spurs, will be
>professional as they patiently explore the trade market,
>searching for a deal that wouldn't doom the franchise to a
>long, painful rebuild.
>
>"You can't get mad at your kid if you let him eat candy every
>night and then suddenly one night you don't and they throw a
>tantrum," an ex-Houston assistant coach said. "You're the one
>who let them eat candy every night.
>
>"The Rockets turned the organization over to James, and now
>they have to live with the fallout."
>
>

  

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NBA Preseason starts today? [View all] , ThaTruth, Fri Dec-11-20 06:59 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Excited about Patrick Williams
Dec 11th 2020
1
Williams is intriguing
Dec 11th 2020
9
I'm excited to see all the new guys.
Dec 11th 2020
2
RE: I'm excited to see all the new guys.
Dec 11th 2020
3
Are they gonna start the reg season?
Dec 11th 2020
4
      who knows they'll probably do some for of "load management"
Dec 11th 2020
6
           I could see LBJ taking a month off b4 the stretch run
Dec 11th 2020
7
           "Load management" during televised games
Dec 11th 2020
10
                you saw the rule they put in?
Dec 11th 2020
11
.
Dec 11th 2020
5
RJ Barrett is still trash as fock!
Dec 11th 2020
8
He was much better in the second half.
Dec 11th 2020
15
      It’s almost like it’s the first preseason game or something
Dec 11th 2020
16
           No. He doesn’t look like he has improved.
Dec 12th 2020
19
Melo locked in
Dec 11th 2020
12
Yep, he’s gonna kill with the 2nd unit
Dec 11th 2020
14
Cornrow Melo
Dec 11th 2020
17
Portland has not been good enough for Terry Stotts to be in his 9th...
Dec 11th 2020
13
He has no excuses this season. They have a great lineup.
Dec 12th 2020
21
      I think Giles can be a sleeper for them and finally live up to the hype
Dec 12th 2020
22
           RE: I think Giles can be a sleeper for them and finally live up to the h...
Dec 14th 2020
51
Harry Giles showing out
Dec 12th 2020
18
RE: NBA Preseason starts today?
Dec 12th 2020
20
Toppin was poppin last night
Dec 12th 2020
23
THT gonna be a big factor
Dec 12th 2020
24
I don’t think so
Dec 12th 2020
25
Wall and Boogie looked good, if Harden decides to show up they could...
Dec 12th 2020
26
lamelo looked trash as hell offensively
Dec 12th 2020
27
Did you watch or are you going off the box score?
Dec 13th 2020
29
      RE: Did you watch or are you going off the box score?
Dec 13th 2020
34
           Yes, I heard
Dec 14th 2020
36
           Rondo and Kidd couldn’t shoot either their first year
Dec 14th 2020
45
Kd still look like Kd. Wall still look like Wall
Dec 13th 2020
Kd still look like Kd. Wall still look like Wall
Dec 13th 2020
28
KD was on cruise control. We'll see whats what in March/April.
Dec 14th 2020
50
lakers supporting cast looks extremely capable
Dec 13th 2020
30
31 points and counting for THT
Dec 13th 2020
31
THT is a real player yall
Dec 13th 2020
32
No surprise, boy been a bucket for a long time.
Dec 13th 2020
33
LAC will continue to disappoint in 2021.
Dec 14th 2020
35
Lakers 2nd unit looks pretty solid...
Dec 14th 2020
37
So we just not gonna talk about KD and Kyrie’s Instagram chats?
Dec 14th 2020
38
LOL...Miami minus well gone head and throw Tyler...
Dec 14th 2020
39
Its going to take more than Tyler
Dec 14th 2020
40
oh, for sure...
Dec 14th 2020
41
Jack Harlow not gon' be happy if Miami trades Tyler.
Dec 14th 2020
42
they got hoes in Houston. jack'll be aight.
Dec 14th 2020
44
      you right. if Harden leaves his contacts, they'll be kewl.
Dec 14th 2020
47
Who else do they have not named Jimmy & Bam?
Dec 14th 2020
43
Is there anyone in this post who thought otherwise?
Dec 14th 2020
46
lol Tyler Herro is Luke Kennard 2.0
Dec 17th 2020
78
this made me shed a single tear...
Dec 14th 2020
48
man...
Dec 14th 2020
49
Liangelo Ball got waived by the Pistons.
Dec 14th 2020
52
He's not an NBA player. At all.
Dec 14th 2020
53
He could be an all pro tight end in the NFL if he decides...
Dec 15th 2020
64
      he must not like getting hit. because he is made for fb
Dec 15th 2020
65
N/A
Dec 14th 2020
54
Zion and Ingram. So good.
Dec 14th 2020
55
NVM
Dec 14th 2020
56
wrong post?
Dec 14th 2020
57
RE: wrong post?
Dec 14th 2020
59
Smh this dude wrong even when he right
Dec 14th 2020
58
Really enjoying what I'm seeing from the Cavs.
Dec 15th 2020
60
Damyean Dotson is going to get y'all buckets.
Dec 16th 2020
66
BI, BI!
Dec 15th 2020
61
“They got them fire wings and I love to grub” - (C) K.R.I.T.
Dec 15th 2020
62
he is a funny built dude
Dec 15th 2020
63
Malachi Flynn
Dec 16th 2020
67
looks like year 3 fvv in two preseason games. potentially another
Dec 18th 2020
96
Steph was cookin' last night...if only for the first 5 minutes
Dec 16th 2020
68
I gave you power, I made you buck wild (c)...
Dec 16th 2020
69
I am *so* stoked that Westbrook is in DC
Dec 16th 2020
71
lakers got the fucking Z squad man
Dec 16th 2020
72
I have no idea what you’re talking about but how did we comeback...
Dec 17th 2020
73
tht and kuzma locked it down
Dec 17th 2020
74
LMAO yeah you nailed those roles
Dec 17th 2020
77
Knicks fans. What are y’all gonna do with all those damns guards?
Dec 17th 2020
75
Package them for Harden
Dec 17th 2020
76
If this were the 90's, I'd be concerned.
Dec 17th 2020
79
Quickley won me over.
Dec 18th 2020
106
Philly makes Ben Simmons available in talks with Houston...
Dec 17th 2020
80
FWIW, Morey is denying it.
Dec 17th 2020
81
Didn't he deny he was gonna trade CP3 to OKC too?
Dec 17th 2020
82
(Simmons is absolutely better to build around than Harden, too.)
Dec 17th 2020
87
Yep, I saw that right after...
Dec 17th 2020
83
Morey left HOU...why would he bring Harden to Philly?
Dec 18th 2020
105
It’s the only thing that makes sense, Brooklyn is already considered.....
Dec 17th 2020
84
well, Miami did put Tyler in the mix...
Dec 17th 2020
85
      I would think they would have to put up way more to get James Harden
Dec 17th 2020
86
           no doubt...I’m not sure what their pick situation is, but...
Dec 17th 2020
88
                I don’t think Bam would be on the table for anyone not named Giannis
Dec 17th 2020
89
                     I do...they LOVE Jimmy...
Dec 18th 2020
93
                          The love Bam too and he’s 8 years younger. He hasn’t even reached...
Dec 18th 2020
94
                               I'm telling you, man...
Dec 18th 2020
95
                                    They’re not trading Bam for James Harden dude lol
Dec 18th 2020
97
                                    I'm not saying they are, bro...
Dec 18th 2020
100
                                    Can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with ThaTruth.
Dec 18th 2020
98
                                         agreed, man..
Dec 18th 2020
101
                                              Sure, I just think that has more to do with Herro.
Dec 18th 2020
102
Trading Harden for Simmons would be an L for Philly
Dec 17th 2020
90
Harden in South Beach, held accountable by Jimmy, Spo & Riley?
Dec 17th 2020
91
By "held accountable by," do you mean "frequently pissing off"?
Dec 18th 2020
99
      YUP
Dec 18th 2020
103
           I can't see Jimmy and Harden gettting along.
Dec 19th 2020
114
Christian Wood and Harden in pick roll action are the truth.
Dec 18th 2020
92
I kinda respect Kyrie for this pseudo-spirituality phase
Dec 18th 2020
104
This is Kyrie oddball shit I can fw
Dec 18th 2020
109
      he's harmless
Dec 19th 2020
112
i'm liking wiggins and oubre on the dubs. they can fuck around and be
Dec 18th 2020
107
If Wiseman is nice, they are going to be a problem for the Lakers
Dec 18th 2020
110
      we’d put the warriors in jail
Dec 19th 2020
111
KNICKS by 36. Yes, muhphuckas I am celebrating.
Dec 18th 2020
108
Shit runs smoothly when he's at the point, it ain't hard to figure out N...
Dec 19th 2020
116
LOL @ Lakers vs Suns...
Dec 19th 2020
113
Seems like all of our preseason games have been like that we’ll be...
Dec 19th 2020
115

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