>>They WON'T, because Black economic self-determination is
>more
>>a series of sprinklers or at best a few faucets rather than
>a
>>power washer hose, but it is completely feasible as a
>>proposition.
>
>the thing about those of "us" who have money, we ain't
>necessarily trying to risk it because of how hard it will be
>to get back
>
>
>>PLAYERS/TALENT
>>They say 70% of the league is black, maybe more. Let's say
>>75% is black, if you fill 53 man rosters with those numbers
>>you have 24 teams. These are not scabs, these are STUDS.
>
>so, no shortage of talent....
>
>ok
>
>>OWNERSHIP
>>The valuation won't start off as high, so billion +
>purchases
>>wouldn't be needed from the outset, but there are enough
>>wealthy black people for sole ownership or partnered
>ownership
>>of 24 teams so that no white owner would be necessary,
>though
>>I can imagine some wishing to get in on the game. Jay Z
>could
>>put away the knee pads and do the right thing.
>
>another thing about "us" we don't don't trust one another
>
>we STAY trying to get over on one another also, so the trust
>factor is kinda grounded
>
>>The biggest hurdles would be stadiums and licensing deals,
>>which could be helped in large part by HBCUs (remember
>>Jemele's proposition?)
>
>most HBCU facilities are horribly lacking. hell, the schools
>themselves are poorly funded/run as educational institutions
>(said as someone with a vested stake in these schools) so the
>idea of pouring money to improve these facilities gets the
>payee what exactly?
>
>my point is: I'm not sure this is a feasible solution
HBCUs could be feeders, but it would definitely take some seed funding and time to bridge the gap until they started generating revenue. money would completely transform these places. the "top" schools got plenty of fucked up stuff going on, but they keep the dollars coming in, so the beat goes on and the basics are covered.

>>COLLEGES
>>If all black football players only went to HBCUs,
>
>when your point starts out with a condition that you
>immediately concede isn't reality-based.....
>
>>I don't know how many HBCUs there are nationwide
>
>Its nice to have the facts to back up your hypothesis, lest
>you undermine your credibility as someone who has thought out
>your idea (just sayin)
i mean it was easy enough for you to look up that it's 107, point is having them come from HBCU would be the sustainment model for future talent. would likely have to be a graduated approach rather than one year complete overhaul. start with the schools that already have some semblance of a program, especially those where top NFL talent has come from.

>>They could start on
>>cable channels (Byron Allen owns a grip of stations btw),
>
>i know you are kinda spitballing, but reemmber that you need
>advertisers to support the broadcast and help pay the costs
for sure, and that would take time to build up but there are black owned businesses (and I'm sure white owned) that could buy up time

>how do you plan on going about getting these (and I'm not
>talking about some bronner-brothers type steeze)?
>
>>the superior product would get more money,
>
>so now your plan is for your start-up to not just be a viable
>alternative to the existing multi-billion dollar machine, but
>to SUPPLANT it via superior product (which I hope you concede
>is going to take a while to produce. how are you going to
>convince top-flight-nfl prospect to sign up for this again?)

oh it would take time for sure.

>>which in turn schools could use to revamp their facilities.
>
>so the schools aren't going to use the funds to improve the
>educations/facilities tied directly to them, but to get their
>facilities up to par with existing NFL facilities?
no, i mean they'd improve everything. i'll never forget how georgetown going to the final four (I was only tied to div I via grad school) resulted in a huge campus facelift, very little being tied to basketball. more money means better quality school, faculty, facilities, more enrollments, etc etc.

>take the new LA stadium as an example - do you have any idea
>what it would take to transform and HBCU stadium to comete
>with that?
i acknowledged stadiums would be the biggest challenge. that's why using HBCU would be a stopgap, not a final solution.

>
>check this site:
>
>https://sistabrutha.com/hbcu-sports-rankings-who-has-the-best-athletic-facilities/
>
>the facilites listed there are nice, but nowhwre near NFL (or
>even D-1 college level)
>
>>There would need to be some protective funds to ensure that
>athletes
>>still had access to top of the line sports health and
>>nutrition.
>
>And this money comes from where? all the billionaire Black
>folks? do you even have a scope/scale for this part of the
>proposal?
>
>>In turn, until the leagues were able to generate
>>new stadium level funds, they could redevelop and use the
>HBCU
>>stadiums to play the games in.
>
>I think you are re-making a point that was kinda fishy
>earlier
>
>>AUDIENCE
>>Fans of all races would likely come out to see a superior
>>product.
>
>That's hella presumptive - but lets assume this is real as a
>possibility
>
>Isn't the cost facor going to play in also (how much are
>tickets, concessions and will they feel they are gettignn a
>fan experience commisserate with their outlay

i mean i've been to NFL games in Maryland, New Jersey, and San Francisco and outside of tailgaiting, the "fan experience" can be some real shit. It's a whole day affair, usually hella expensive, and with tv packages being what they are, staying home is usually better all around. you can get a big screen, eat what you want, go to a clean bathroom, and pause the action without missing anything. ticket sales and fan experience would definitely have opportunities for "growth" lol

>I know in real life "suburban dad" (the one with enough cash
>fluidity to actually go to games) are frequently on some "i
>don't wann go to the rough - read: Black - side of town. This
>is one of the reasons why the Atlanta Braves moved from the
>city way out past where most non-rich-whites are (there are
>several of other examples of this too - see: Detroit Pistons).
>Point being - do you REALLY think ol Brent is trying to go
>watch games at your average HBCU stadium? It's possible, i
>guess, but is it probable based on any kind of reality? I
>dunno.
wasn't Chicago Stadium a rough ass part of the city? RFK was in the cut as well. I don't know that Brent would be the target audience to start with. Again, ticket prices would likely not be able to start at NFL levels.
keep in mind there are plenty of people who can afford to who choose not to spend because they don't like the product. i also think that folks would love to put their money behind something that they believed in. Would Kaep's apparel, be it jersey or shoes sell like hotcakes if they didn't?

>>Merchandise would sell of the racks and big athletic
>>companies would want deals.
>
>would they?
all the talent is there.

>>COACHES
>>Nuff said.
>
>I'm not sure WHAT you are saying/implying exactly. I guess you
>mean there wouln't be a shortage of candidates? OK
black coaches wouldn't have problems getting opportunities and there would be plenty to pick from. the college ranks are fairly bleak for black coaches too. having an HBCU/BFL farm system would get more folks eating than currently do.

>>KAEP
>>See above.
>
>*screwface*


>>FUTURE GROWTH....
>
>a whole bunch more stuff that I don't feel like parsing right
>now. it's got mad holes though
>
>>Like I said, THEY WON'T. But they could. For anyone who
>says
>>it won't work,
>
>lol. *YOU* just said it won't work though.....
>
>>....continue being frustrated with qualified black
>>men having to beg for acceptance or validation in order to
>>lead, and black men having a conscience about the
>communities
>>and nation in which they live where in many circumstances,
>but
>>for (and sometimes not even that) being a football player,
>>they'd be a statistic. Just wait for well intentioned white
>>billionaires to do the right thing, since they're known for
>>that.
>
>That is a very limited set of options (your plan vs be mad and
>wait for the people who don't have a probelm to fix it)
>>
>>Discuss.
>>
for sure it's not nearly as easy as I laid out, but if you can have a town with airports, bus/train station, movie theaters, and a host of other businesses in Oklahoma in the early 1900s, you CAN start a pro league with there being much more money overall in black hands. the money and the intentions are fragmented, which you alluded to above.

whatever the strategy is, if it doesn't have economic implications, it is not likely to bring about substantive change.