26. "really that varies from team to team. they are establishing standards" In response to In response to 23
what you are saying isn't really accurate, tony allen could have the same career in most places and they wouldn't even consider retiring his number, but going beyond that it varies widely from franchise to franchise, even similar franchises.
look at the lakers and the celtics. the lakers basically say if you make the HOF and were a great player for us, too, we will retire your number. short of that, you're out of luck. so think of tony allen as michael cooper, no retirement. but then the celtics, who have been even more successful, might be looking at triple digits soon. they retired guys like cornbread maxwell's number, shit had allen played his whole career they might have retired his, too.
some franchises do a big ring of honor or they retire a lot of numbers despite not being terribly successful. like the cavs have half a dozen retired numbers (they did something similar to this grizz move retiring nance, price and daugherty. others, like the clippers/braves franchise, have none at all.
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