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22. "This bit was factually inaccurate, fwiw:"
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Fri Jun-23-17 12:49 PM by Frank Longo

  

          

>>I also don't think its coincidence that most people think
>the
>>2 best front offices in the NBA right now are the Warriors
>and
>>the Spurs and those 2 teams rarely draft "1 and done"
>>players.

Out of the last five first round draft picks for the Spurs, two were one-and-dones and a third was a two-and-done. They were all end of the draft picks, as you pointed out. They have a great scouting department-- I actually just read a piece on NBA scouts in which everyone agrees that they work harder and collect more data than anyone else.

The Warriors are different for a variety of reasons, but their last three draft picks contained a one-and-done and a two-and-done. These players were also picked at the end of first/top of second, as you noted.

Even the best teams, the ones at the end of the first round, draft underclassmen, because they're the ones who tend to have the most raw talent.

>Alright, but this is another opportunity for me to ask an
>actual NBA fan: The success those teams have enjoyed means
>they're routinely picking at the back of the draft. So is that
>an apples to apples comparison or are they just maximizing the
>impact of their lower draft position?

They're maximizing to some extent, but neither the Warriors nor the Spurs are led by lower draft picks. The top three players for both the Spurs and Warriors last year were all Top 15 picks in their drafts.

I'd also argue that it's less about how well a team picks and more about how well a team develops its talent. The Spurs and Warriors don't magically pick the best NBA prospects every season. They turn talented prospects into pro caliber players who know their role and fit their culture. Guys like Kawhi Leonard and Draymond Green both took tremendous steps as players over their first three seasons as pros, doing things they didn't even do in college, really. Same with guys like Tony Parker, Danny Green, Patrick McCaw... shit, even Steph Curry, who started well, by Year 4 had topped anything even those who loved him in college expected him to do at the next level.

Whereas certain teams can have high draft picks that all "bust"-- does that mean they're shitty scouts or that those one-and-dones weren't ready for the pros? No, because every lottery pick bust was almost always a consensus lottery pick. Those teams just suck at player development and helping foster a culture of success.

Drafting is important enough, sure, but the player development that a team does is roughly a thousand times more important.

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Coach K wants to change NBA one-and-done rule; not what you’d expect..... [View all] , ThaTruth, Fri Jun-23-17 09:01 AM
 
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nah that's exactly what i'd expect
Jun 23rd 2017
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obviously, he's right..
Jun 23rd 2017
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Looking at the Warriors who are the current model "superteam" that...
Jun 23rd 2017
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From his perspective
Jun 23rd 2017
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This has openly been his stance for years now.
Jun 23rd 2017
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Errr... almost good
Jun 23rd 2017
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I don't even like Coach K really but I kinda agree with him here...
Jun 23rd 2017
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I don't think an extra year of classes...
Jun 23rd 2017
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      I somewhat agree, but right now most of these one and done guys...
Jun 23rd 2017
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Agreed.
Jun 23rd 2017
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Its a lose-lose situation for college coaches and NBA GM's so its wouldn...
Jun 23rd 2017
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I think that admitting the NCAA is a "stakeholder"...
Jun 23rd 2017
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I think a full-fledged "minor-league" system has been resisted up until....
Jun 23rd 2017
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Right - the current system works okay for them
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      RE: Right - the current system works okay for them
Jun 23rd 2017
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      That makes a lot of sense
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           RE: That makes a lot of sense
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                I may not have done "being a 19 year old" correctly
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                     I would've fucked that shit up so badly I would've been out of the leagu...
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           I didn't say never, I said rarely, the core guys those teams have...
Jun 23rd 2017
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                One last reply for Walleye here:
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                     Right, the 2 most successful franchises currently are "anecdotal"
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100%.
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      RE: 100%.
Jun 23rd 2017
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I bet NBA gms are the best in drafting out of all the sports.
Jun 23rd 2017
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      based on what? lol
Jun 23rd 2017
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      Two thoughts:
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      RE: Two thoughts:
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           Not sure how that works.
Jun 23rd 2017
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                I admit it's conjecture.
Jun 25th 2017
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      that's because it's easier to pick NBA players.
Jun 23rd 2017
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I don't agree with him but it seems like a fair compromise
Jun 23rd 2017
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Lol... he sharking what Cal said on this too?
Jun 23rd 2017
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Coach K does not care about educating players
Jun 23rd 2017
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Of course we all know he has ulterior motives, most coaches hate...
Jun 23rd 2017
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bro what in the blue fuck are you talking about?
Jun 23rd 2017
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      I'm not your bro and FROM THE ARTICLE:
Jun 23rd 2017
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           K, broham, but nah.
Jun 24th 2017
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I DON'T KNOW HOW TO COACH 1 AND DUNZ... HALP!
Jun 25th 2017
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Right, I mean he's only won two national titles in the one-and-done era
Jun 25th 2017
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