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Walleye
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21. "Selling your sport"
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I'll throw this one to the crowd and try to stat it as simply as possible.

1. I coach cross country and distance running. In area high schools, this sport is probably 95% white.

2. My two best underclassmen this year are black. There is a not-small club track scene in my area that's a bit more diverse, even in the distances, but neither one of these kids comes from the club track system. They're new to the sport and are just good at it.

3. I've found that kids don't typically like to give up on their favorite sports until they are juniors or seniors. It's not a hard and fast rule, but when the chances of playing football, basketball, baseball, or lacrosse in college start to look a bit diminished, that's usually when I get them.

So that's the framework. I've had a pretty strong stance since I've been doing this that I don't give the hard-sell to underclassmen. I love track, but I understand when kids point to the team dynamic and just plain fun of the above sports and say "I prefer those." I played baseball instead of track until my senior year, so I get it entirely.

But in the last year, I've come to realize that the structure of the recruiting season means I need to work harder to get strong performances out kids when they're juniors, not just seniors. That doesn't mean pushing them in ways that don't work, but it probably means trying to tell more freshmen and sophomores that "you can be DI good at this if you decide to start treating it as your primary athletic interest."

So, my questions are these - and feel free to dip into your experience as an athlete and not just as a coach.

1. How receptive would you have been when you were 14-15 to being told that a sport that maybe wasn't your favorite might be your best shot to be good?

2. How much would team demographics (joining a team that is pretty thoroughly white) have affected a decision to change which sport was your priority?

Obviously, the correct answer is that both of these kids are individual personalities who are going to deal with the (assuredly gentle) push differently. I'm mostly just trying to throw it out there so I can get my brain around the entire issue.

At the moment, I think I'm competing against basketball for one sophomore and one freshman - which I'm pretty okay losing to. Basketball is fun and if it were more than a winter commitment (AAU teams, etc.) then I'd already have heard about it with both of these kids. I'll see them in the spring and they'll be in shape but with relatively fresh legs.

I've also got a junior and a senior that I'm trying to talk about of lacrosse. That one isn't fraught with the same racial dynamic, but it's also tougher (and a more common problem for me - Lacrosse is *the* prestige sport at our school) because it means if track loses then they'll be gone from outdoor track. But there's the additional risk that the extensive and specific training demands of the lacrosse program will keep them from running indoor even though it's not in-season for them.

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Any more of you dummies coach kids? [View all] , Walleye, Mon Nov-07-16 08:05 AM
 
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I'm pretty hopeful about my distance group this year
Nov 07th 2016
1
i be feeling sorry for coaches of rec leagues
Nov 07th 2016
2
you are correct.
Nov 17th 2016
25
      yeah that's what i meant by parents don't help lol
Nov 23rd 2016
46
RE: Any more of you dummies coach kids?
Nov 07th 2016
3
I loved every bit of this
Nov 07th 2016
4
      RE: I loved every bit of this
Nov 07th 2016
5
I coach high school lacrosse.
Nov 07th 2016
6
These folks that do it without a lot of school support are heroic
Nov 08th 2016
7
      Oh, the school has been pretty good
Nov 08th 2016
8
      Welp, I'm officially the biggest dummy
Nov 21st 2016
35
           I can't argue with either part of this
Nov 22nd 2016
42
I coached Jr. bowling for a few years
Nov 08th 2016
9
This is fascinating
Nov 09th 2016
11
what does bowling coaching entail?
Nov 10th 2016
14
      you trust your eyes and arm not the arrows?
Nov 10th 2016
15
      yeah. ngl for a while i thought the arrows were for decoration.
Nov 10th 2016
17
           lol @ the decoration part. I mean by your numbers you are a good
Nov 10th 2016
18
      RE: what does bowling coaching entail?
Nov 17th 2016
28
           I bowled in a tournament on a sport pattern last sunday
Nov 17th 2016
29
                Sport shot patterns are true tests of skill
Nov 17th 2016
30
                     I definitely am not taking it personally
Nov 17th 2016
31
                     RE: I definitely am not taking it personally
Nov 17th 2016
32
                          yeah, my first game on each lane was a 118(WTF) and a 142
Nov 17th 2016
33
                          ha, i bowled on a house pattern last night. 162, 244, 186, 243 and 182
Nov 21st 2016
34
                               RE: ha, i bowled on a house pattern last night. 162, 244, 186, 243 and 1...
Nov 21st 2016
36
                                    I was heavy into bowling like 10 years ago. I mean bowling like 5x
Nov 21st 2016
37
                     dont laugh at me but i never knew there were different oil patterns.
Nov 21st 2016
38
                          RE: dont laugh at me but i never knew there were different oil patterns.
Nov 22nd 2016
45
                               lol the first time i looked at one of those images was 3 weeks ago.
Nov 23rd 2016
47
I coach 8 your olds, more later
Nov 08th 2016
10
Coached a high school ultimate team for a year - was an interesting expe...
Nov 09th 2016
12
I like seeing the "grow the sport angle" but it's a lot of extra respons...
Nov 11th 2016
19
I used to coach youth rec league basketball jr high and high school boys...
Nov 10th 2016
13
This was all *really* insightful
Nov 11th 2016
20
girls rec soccer, 8-10 year olds.
Nov 10th 2016
16
RE: Selling your sport
Nov 15th 2016
23
      Good news on both fronts then
Nov 15th 2016
24
Two seasons of Pop Warner. Never again.
Nov 15th 2016
22
I start 5-6 year old Boys basketball in a few weeks
Nov 17th 2016
26
5-6 lol i couldn't do it.
Nov 17th 2016
27
      I went to the coaches meetign
Nov 22nd 2016
39
           lol can you set picks?
Nov 22nd 2016
40
           I laughed
Nov 22nd 2016
43
           I remember pee-wee football the youngest divisions coaches were on field
Nov 22nd 2016
41
           RE: I went to the coaches meetign
Nov 28th 2016
56
Confession
Nov 22nd 2016
44
I coached college baseball for a few
Nov 23rd 2016
48
same reason I gave it up.
Nov 23rd 2016
49
I'm starting to be really grateful track is a last-resort sport
Nov 23rd 2016
50
I'm late to the discussion, but yes I coach. Head 9th Grade Football
Nov 27th 2016
51
Yep. Definitely a trend these days,
Nov 28th 2016
52
      I've found it odd how so many kids obsess over wearing pink.
Nov 28th 2016
53
           I was outta there before that Pink stuff started,
Nov 29th 2016
60
First day of indoor today/coaching turf struggles
Nov 28th 2016
54
How are the meets structured?
Nov 28th 2016
55
      Most of our 800m runners double back in the 4x400m too
Nov 29th 2016
57
           Makes sense
Nov 29th 2016
58
                I am more jealous of that range as a coach than I was as a runner
Nov 29th 2016
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