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24. "even 'useless' knowledge gets the sport closer to a deeper truth"
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To me, the analytics movement's main goal is to find out truths about their respective sports, regardless of the level of depth of that truth into the culture of that sport.

Eliminating a bit of knowledge about a sport that seems basic and obvious simply points people who understand sports in a mathematical way towards something else which might be worth researching.

I don't think analytics people have found the holy grail by quantifying sports, but alot of coaches and executives with 'traditional' knowledge don't have things figured out completely either.

The issue isn't analyitics supplanting traditional knowledge, but analytics building upon traditional knowledge. To me, the reason why advanced stats have gotten a bad rap is that they aren't... tried and true and very few of them have any context to people who aren't in the know.

It isn't that RBI's or HR or BA aren't significant or meaningful or putting in a lefty to go against a righty is now flying in the face of baseball truths, it's that those qualities on their own aren't as important to the goal of winning a game as they were originally believed to be.

In the end, a team of executives and managers and also a manager and players have to pull from a body of knowledge to reach that team's collective goals. Using analytics can give a team another portal into the understanding the complexity of the game.

Billy Beane used advanced stats to influence his decisions, but he also had over twenty years of knowledge knowing the game in a traditional sense. He simply used analytics to supplement or inform his decision making process.

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Shocking News: Oldest Manager in Baseball hates analytics (swipe) [View all] , Cenario, Thu Feb-18-16 10:33 AM
 
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Zing?
Feb 18th 2016
1
More proof that managers barely matter
Feb 18th 2016
2
I don't think this is just old managers
Feb 18th 2016
3
Or that analytics barely matter.
Feb 18th 2016
5
      tell that to the Phillies
Feb 18th 2016
6
           Or the Mets, who were in the World Series
Feb 18th 2016
7
           And who built the team using analytics
Feb 18th 2016
8
                And Alderson is treated like John the Baptist in Moneyball
Feb 18th 2016
9
                Wrong. Team was built with the Dickey trade and Cespedes
Feb 18th 2016
10
                     it's ok. you're old and don't want to pay attention anymore
Feb 18th 2016
14
                     Alderson, DiPodesta, and Ricciardi are all statheads
Feb 18th 2016
15
                     Sooooooo three players got the Mets to the series. Got it.
Feb 19th 2016
27
                          See Mets pre-Cespedes. See Mets post-Cespedes
Feb 19th 2016
29
           Phillies had a sneaky good winter
Feb 18th 2016
11
                how long will that take to translate into Ws?
Feb 18th 2016
12
                     I'm always early on these things - but still a few years at least
Feb 18th 2016
13
                          ah i got you...so need to be worried.
Feb 18th 2016
16
you dont need analytics to tell u to pull Harvey after leadoff BB in 9th
Feb 18th 2016
4
it's always funny how "anti-analytics" people still wanna use stats
Feb 18th 2016
17
i also love the we like good players "gotcha" moment
Feb 18th 2016
18
That's actually the definition of "useless"
Feb 18th 2016
20
     
      Sports analytics is centuries behind economics
Feb 19th 2016
28
           It's relative.
Feb 20th 2016
37
      why would it need to change the view of EVERY player to be successful?
Feb 19th 2016
30
           Yoga has change SOME players' careers
Feb 19th 2016
34
                why you wouldn't see the difference between more stats and yoga
Feb 19th 2016
36
John Feinstein just wrote an ugly anti-stat piece
Feb 18th 2016
19
yea i read that
Feb 19th 2016
23
Microsoft has made radar guns obsolete
Feb 19th 2016
25
dumbest part was his criticism of statistical projections
Feb 19th 2016
33
Funny how "pro analytics" folk think everything is "advanced"
Feb 18th 2016
21
http://i.imgur.com/gMnMB0Q.jpg
Feb 19th 2016
22
LMAO. OPS is like the Kenny G of "advanced" baseball metrics
Feb 19th 2016
26
You act like Billy Beane was quoted as saying "fuck pitchers"
Feb 19th 2016
31
it's always funny when they act like OPS is some esoteric advanced stat
Feb 19th 2016
32
      Nope. OPS and PER = Higgs Boson and Gravity Wave detector
Feb 19th 2016
35
      IT wasn't whether the stats existed before.....
Feb 20th 2016
38
           Yeah, because the book lied.
Feb 20th 2016
39

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