>
>>still a better operator of an offense at any speed.
>
>How can you say this? He ran the same offense with the
>same all-time great power forward for his entire career.
>
>How can you gauge his all-around ability to operate
>an offense at any speed?
>
>Payton's field generalship was actually more diverse.
>
>And Payton's ability to be good as a role player actually
>adds to his legend. Stockton is completely worthless
>as a role player. Nothing to add if he's not running
>pick & roll and dominating the ball.

LOL, classic "Stockton had Malone argument," do you go to a discount store to buy these boring shit opinions? Stockton ran the Jazz brilliantly at any tempo and whether or not Malone was on the floor. Get out of my face with this shit, I watched both these guys' careers, you were asleep during them. BTW Payton played with all-star PFs almost his entire career, too, still managed to never come close to sniffing Stockton's assist numbers.

>But Gary
>>was faster, bigger, stronger, had a stronger motor and still
>>played considerably better D.
>
>This sound like most of Payton's advantages were genetic. He
>was
>actually barely quicker than Stockton, if at all (Stockton was
>
>VERY quick laterally, actually...just not Hardaway and Kevin
>Johnson quick, which few players ever ere). Payton also had
>better anticipation and timing on defense, which is cognitive,
>
>rather than athletic.

Payton had way better end to end speed and changed speeds better, too. The size advantage and the extra dimension it added to his game at both ends is indisputable. Otherwise, Your own sensitivity is showing (as always) because I've already compared the detail-oriented acumen and cerebral nature of their games in this very thread. There was a book written about the 90s Sonics where Payton talks in detail about his admiration for Stockton and the things he patterned in his own game after Stockton. Stockton has also talked about the mutual respect for Payton. Payton was a guy looking for every edge out there, looking to dominate psychologically. No one is suggesting he was just a physical freak, that's absurd, but in some ways he was, mainly his stamina. Top motors I have ever seen on guys would be him, Iverson, Sprewell and for a while there Rip Hamilton. There are other guys whose reputations I know, but out of guys in my lifetime, those are the hardest guys to wear out.

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