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At this point its mostly statistical mumbo jumbo
>as has been true since emancipation more or less. one of the >main ways of creating and perpetuating racial difference >issegregation.
>no. that comparison fails to hold--white ethnics assimilated >*far* faster than white hispanics.
Alright, not sure how you can say this, for two reasons:
(a) Cuban-Americans have assimilated fast as hell, but neither of us use want to use them because they don't fit the standard white-ethnic paradigm
(b) White-ethnics assimilated fast because of active social programs that they directly benefited from that are not in place now (and will never be in place again). You give white hispanics a New Deal and access to housing in white neighborhoods and white people would rather they live there than their black/brown countrymen.
This is exactly what happened in the US and would happen again: white people *are* more comfortable with Oscar De La Hoya, even if he's poor, moving to their neighborhood than they are Chino XL or Hanley Ramirez
We won't really know that, again, because the programs that give Oscar that chance aren't in place, probably never will be.
(But it does explain why Oscar De La Hoya is/was infinitely more popular among whites than other more indigenous boxers who were *better*....sports can be useful for shit like this)
>both. they fit in between. white hispanics are doing better >than black hispanics. white hispanics are doing worse (all >this, of course, is an on average) than asians (who also have >a lot of ethnic differences--Koreans and Japanese are doing >well, but Southeast Asians are not in the US).
LOL--you're not speaking to a magazine. I'm one of you.
"In between" doesn't mean anything.
Poor Angolans are "in between" poor Congolese and poor New Yorkers.
And again: I'm arguing that Asians are a poor comparison group for *any* immigrant, not only white hispanics. I wouldn't compare Greek assimilation to Asian assimilation either.
>no doubt. just comparing to another racial group to note that >white hispanics are not even "in second" if you will.
Nobody is in second compared to Asians.
In fact, Asians are better at being white people than white people at this stage (in terms of rate of seizing education and wealth, not necessarily acceptance, etc)
>no. most of that is driven by asians, i believe (at least rate >wise, not sure once you include population size differences).
No, a ton of Hispanics are marrying whites too. I'm not going to link journal of sociology articles but its the crux of George Yancey's book from 2003 (that's as academic as I'll get in this post)
>yes and no--there's a lot of continued immigration that >complicates that. but hispanics have always been "whiter" than >blacks, so not sure how that matters.
Well...ok
>actually, it is being denied and challenged. Peep Eduardo >Bonilla-Silva's stuff (and Doug Massey's) on the latin >americanization of the US in which he argues that assimilation >is being stopped at a certain point. yes, it gets better for >hispanics, but we're not letting them fully integrate, to >oversimplify his argument. not trying to name drop, just they >do better than me at explaining it.
Well sure--just like Jews will never be as white as white people.
That's not the point of assimilation, though.
The point/goal of assimilation is to be white enough that you are financially independent and can do what you have to do without actual white people interfering
Jews do that, and good for them.
Irish weren't there, but got there.
Same with Italians.
Same with Greeks.
White hispanics aren't there yet, but will be.
Their black and brown countrymen? LOL. No.
>lol. there's a small dip in asian/white marriage. likely >because asian men are on the come up finally. but yeah, this >is all true.
True
>indeed. and more complicated. the recent manhattan institute >study on "the end of the segregated century" manipulated the >data by counting hispanic/black neighborhoods as "integrated" >to prove black people aren't segregated as much any more. >really sad how that can be done.
bwahahahahahaha those guys are such fucking tools
>yes and no. white hispanics still are very far behind whites, >but you're right about the bifurcation by race. My point is >that even once you do that, white hispanics are not seeing the >full benefits of whiteness and I doubt they ever do as a >group.
Ok, fair point, we're barely disagreeing
>yes. but they are being otherized in a racial way that is more >lasting than ethnic differences in the US have been. it's a >complicated concept and you make an interesting point that >maybe "racialization" isn't the right term, exactly.
Ok, cool
>>Haitians actually are doing quite well academically and >>professionally in many settings >> >>Dominicans is another story > >word. didn't know there was a divide haitian/dominican there. > > >----------- >It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.
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