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>>No more Wachowskis IMO. I have no faith at all that they- >one >>or both- can deliver a Matrix that appeals beyond their die >>hard fans. > >...except here, you've unintentionally nailed it. THAT'S the >point. these stories are deeply personal to them and there is >no desire for 'appeal' beyond "this is the story i want to >tell".
That's all good and well. But none of that has any bearing whatsoever on my thoughts and perception of the movie, and what's I think is best for the franchise going forward- and the Wachowskis ain't it.
And that's what I love about the film... "fan service" >has ruined so much of franchise movie making, imo
Broader appeal and fan service are not the same thing. I'm not asking for fan service at all. In fact, I'd argue that this was heavy on fan service. It just wasn't executed particularly well, as is the case with the bulk of the Wachowski catalog.
>>They need a fresh approach to this franchise, but one that >>still builds on this world and story. > >no, they don't.
Yes, they do.
>they are artists and their 'need' is to use >their voice.
We're talking about different "theys" here.
My they is Warner Bros, and they can choose not to run with a Wachowski on the next run. I think they- WB- need to move forward with a different writer and director with a fresh approach.
their work just happened to be wildly popular and >loved by many. they (or at least Lana) told you exactly that >in the first 30 minutes of the film.
Yes, and it was one of the many serious drawbacks to this.
>>Otherwise, this will just be another Terminator, sequel >after >>sequel that just doesn't work. > >and Lana is fine w/that. It works for her.
That's generally true of most work by most artists, even those who's work is panned.
My enjoyment, thoughts, and opinions on a film have absolutely nothing to do with what the creator of that art wants. Nor should it be.
>>I get that the Wachowski brand REALLY works for some people. >> >>But there are so many more of us who love the core elements >of >>this franchise, and would like to see them put together in a >>fresh way. > >again, they aren't about 'fan service'
Resurrections was full of fan service though. Call back after call back after call back after call back after call back.
The only "fan service" I'm asking for here is something.... better. Because this ain't it, and Lana being good with it has absolutely nothing to do with my view of it.
Moreover, I listed plenty of things I liked and disliked, and none of it had anything to do with wanting fan service.
>>Resurrections was an opportunity to do that, and it missed, >>IMO, by a lot. IMO it deserves better than what its, erm, >>architects have designed. > >an artists' work deserves only the artists' voice, vision and >execution. that's it
I disagree completely. This take takes the fans- supporters- of said art entirely out of the equation.
The second we engage a work of art, it becomes ours, individually.
Not in a copyright sense, but when I hear a song, watch a movie, read a book, it's mine, and I get to react to it however I react- up to and including saying what I think should or shouldn't have been done.
At that point, I decide what it deserves, not the artist.
it's not as though the artist is under any obligation to abide by my predilections, but by that same token, my brain has no obligation to the artists vision or voice.
>imagine if you released your music and it was deeply personal >subject matter and folks start telling you the opportunities >you missed and what your songs deserved, etc
I'd have absolutely no issue with this. They're entitled to hold whatever opinion they want.
I'd consider myself lucky enough to have fans passionate enough about my work to feel and express disappointment.
Because that means I'd have set some sort of expectation, which means I'd have at least laid the groundwork for something that mattered to people.
That doesn't mean I'd agree with every critique or suggestion, anymore than any artist would agree with even one of my critiques or suggestions of their work.
Regardless of how I felt about their perspective, that doesn't for a second change my view that they are absolutely entitled to express those perceptions, even if that perception is that my work was dog shit and I should keep a day job.
>i mean even if you didn't mind, and you choose to make the >music your fans like or want, that's a choice you make...not >all artists should have to choose that.
That's pretty far from my stance here.
Me expressing my thoughts and opinions on a work of art in no way suggests that the artist must, should, or should even consider doing their art through the lense of my thoughts and opinions.
What I/you/they/we think should be, has no real bearing on what the artist should decide to do with their art.
Even if I said every artist must do exactly what their fans say, that's ulimately benign, as I have no actual ability to enforce that.
It would still be nothing more than my subjective opinion on their subjective art.
That said, once an artist releases their work to the world, that work is subject to the thoughts, perspectives, opinions, interpretations, suggestions of every eye and ear that so much as encounters an ad for that work.
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