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32. "I think he meant more that this movie really had no stakes"
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Fri Jul-05-19 11:58 AM by Nodima

  

          

Not big or little, but just none at all. This is kind of what I was getting at with my comment too, he just articulated it better. Far From Home is a ton of fun, but it was missing the actual stakes behind Vulture's relationship to Peter and his personal motivations for doing what he was doing. The stakes were low, the lowest of anything outside the Ant-Man films, but it got what made the stakes high *for those characters* and presented them as such. Here, Spidey doesn't really doubt that he can defeat Mysterio, he just gets what the problem is and deals with it. There's no one for him to bounce off of, either, because Mysterio is the only one that gets it and he's not exactly about to give Peter any ideas.

Far From Home does that a lot; it shrugs off the Blip for the most part, it shrugs off the damage to the cities after so much of Phase 3 dealt with the fall out of the critic reactions to Avengers, Ultron and the Superman movie, it honestly shrugs off the people who know Peter is Spider-Man compared to how excited Ned was and conflicted/angered Adrian was in the first film.

I don't think Far From Home needed stakes as high as Endgame - and as it goes, Mysterio and his motivations were *perfect* for a film following up that one - I just think the screenplay was content to let a lot of big moments come and go without a real emotional weight to them, which is something I know people say about a lot of these movies but I really think Phase 3 in particular has been excellent at making the inevitable seem plausibly impossible, and its characters convincingly unsure of their inevitability (other than Thanos, which was what made him a great final boss) as well.

Like, I was speculating above where they could take this story now that the world knows who Spider-Man is but the state of play has also effectively been reset to zero in Spider-Man's world otherwise. What makes the first two Raimi films great is that there's no greater context to the story other than Peter Parker and his struggles with growing up under the pressure of being capable of being Spider-Man, and the stakes really aren't any higher in those movies than never meet your heroes, easy and nimble morality tales with superpowers (hell, the villains don't even really have *powers*).

After Far From Home, there's no worry that Spider-Man movies will be mediocre or bad any time soon, it's more that this super awesome version of the character will be stuck having to deal with whatever's going on in the MCU all the time and never have time for another car ride with the father of his would-be girlfriend who also happens to be his first nemesis, where the stakes are confined to a very specific set of people, but for those people it's all that matters. That's the greatness of Spider-Man as a character, and sometimes Far From Home missed the boat on that.


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Spider-Man: Far From Home (Jon Watts, 2019) [View all] , j0510, Sun Jun-24-18 10:46 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Spidey Stealth Suit
Dec 08th 2018
1
I almost hate that Jake Gyllenhaal is Mysterio...
Dec 09th 2018
2
Spider-Man: Far From Home | Teaser Trailer
Jan 15th 2019
3
thats not a Teaser Trailer..thats the movie
Jan 15th 2019
4
RE: thats not a Teaser Trailer..thats the movie
Jan 15th 2019
6
looks generic and boring, but the last joke in that clip is hilarious
Jan 15th 2019
5
SPIDER-MAN: FAR FROM HOME - Official Trailer
May 06th 2019
7
Well, that answered quite a bit
May 06th 2019
8
RE: Well, that answered quite a bit
May 06th 2019
9
Did you watch the trailer?
May 06th 2019
12
      Oh shit, haha
May 07th 2019
15
it's been touched on many times in the MCU actually
May 06th 2019
10
      Haven't seen the shows. Were they this explicit though?
May 06th 2019
13
neat
May 06th 2019
11
#bitchplease
May 07th 2019
14
Does anyone think that the MCU will bring in the Sinister Six?
May 07th 2019
16
i mean, they could probably let that goofy ass Venom cross over
May 07th 2019
I could see Venom crossing over one condition....
May 07th 2019
18
      Agreed on Kraven
Jun 28th 2019
20
           Tom Holland wanted them to get Jason Momoa for Kraven
Jun 28th 2019
21
                agreed on Venom
Jul 01st 2019
22
                Kraven would be good for one major reason... *spoilers*
Jul 04th 2019
30
they already have
Jul 05th 2019
33
.
May 07th 2019
17
up
Jun 27th 2019
19
lol obviously everyone was waiting on bwood's early review
Jul 01st 2019
23
Saw it today - liked it- BUT...
Jul 03rd 2019
24
I liked it a lot. Probably more than Homecoming
Jul 03rd 2019
25
great, ovreall better than Homecoming (full review)
Jul 03rd 2019
26
SPOILERS
Jul 03rd 2019
27
      RE: SPOILERS
Jul 05th 2019
34
More fun than Homecoming, but it was a little flabby
Jul 03rd 2019
28
A little disappointed, honestly. It's charming but SO weightless.
Jul 04th 2019
29
It is virtually impossible to create high enough stakes following Endgam...
Jul 05th 2019
31
      Yep, cosign all of that.
Jul 07th 2019
38
These Spiderman movies are high school dramas tho
Jul 06th 2019
35
      But that's my problem. We hardly get those stakes either.
Jul 07th 2019
37
           I think that's a Marvel issue, not a Spiderman movie issue
Aug 05th 2019
39
So are we gonna see...
Jul 06th 2019
36
man Mysterio is cool as fuck.
Aug 07th 2019
40

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