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31. "It is virtually impossible to create high enough stakes following Endgam..."
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Mind you, I don't really disagree with just about anything you said, save you having issues with it, albeit minor.

Tobey's Spiderman was the first significant standalone superhero franchise since Keaton's Batman. Tom's Spiderman was introduced as a cameo, graduated to tertiary, but is just stepping into his own.

The weight of everything that has occurred (and that he missed for 5 years) is still heavy on him. His "recently discovered he was Spiderman worry non stop Aunt" had to pack his suit for him. The doubts that plagued Tobey in S2 are on steroids for Tom, AND he's still in high school.

Those are a lot of moving parts. And in the MCU way, it's usually the heroes themselves that are the biggest obstacles, not the villains. That held true in this flick. His talk with Happy and designing of his suit kind of signaled he was going to resolve this.


However, I think the mid and post credit scenes did plenty to raise the stakes and set things forward for phase 4 of the MCU.



>Like, the cast is great. I like what they did with Mysterio.
>No *real* complaints.
>
>But nothing even *remotely* verging on a classic action scene
>or even Spider-Man moment, really. It's honestly more of an
>Iron Man movie than a Spider-Man movie in a lot of ways. I'm
>not necessarily complaining about that... but a lot of this is
>familiar and/or stakesless to the point that it all amassed to
>a bit of a shrug. And I wonder if it's because it focused *so
>much* on being funny that we lost the emotional engagement.
>
>There's no excuse with *this* cast and how great it is for
>these movies to fail to hit the heights of, say, Spider-Man 2.
>Nothing in this *sniffs* the Doc Ock action. Or the train
>sequence. Or the MJ identity reveal. Or the "Go get em, Tiger"
>at the end. Raimi understands how to stage action, and he
>understands that sometimes, to create those big emotional
>moments, you have to get earnest. Maybe even risk getting
>corny. Watts simply isn't down for that at all. So often in
>this movie, scenes that are building emotion undercut that
>emotion with one-liners or zingers or whatever.
>
>The most effective emotional scene is when Happy sees Peter
>tinkering with the armor and is reminded of Tony, because it's
>one of the very, very few scenes where they don't immediately
>hit us with a joke. I think back to the Michael Keaton car
>scene in the first Holland Spidey too: it's got humor in it,
>but the emotions are real, they aren't undercut, the threats
>are real. These movies need more of that, imo.
>
>Also, the first Mysterio illusion sequence where Spidey gets
>his ass kicked-- it starts getting actually scary, sets
>Mysterio up as a real threat, doesn't joke around. But then
>Spidey is just like, "Okay, I just have to sense where he is,"
>and then he can do it perfectly next go around. No real build,
>no real threat, no explanation beyond "I have to do it, so I
>guess I will this time." Like, as corny as the sequence is in
>Raimi's Spider-Man 2 where he summons the strength to get his
>powers to work again, at least the movie is showing us *how*
>he develops. I feel like these movies shortcut a lot of those
>steps. Maybe because Watts just isn't the same caliber
>filmmaker. Maybe they needed to show Mysterio as the bad guy
>earlier (especially since, let's be honest, we ALL knew it was
>going there, and guaranteed the majority of audiences do too),
>establish the illusion threat earlier, etc. I don't know the
>answer. I just didn't love how easy it was to beat him
>immediately after it seemed impossible to do so.
>
>Again, all this makes me seem way lower on it than I am. It
>was a fun time. But with this cast, there's *no excuse* not to
>create a classic Spider-Man movie. They've got real characters
>and the perfect cast-- so give me *real* stakes, *real*
>emotion, *real* threats, *real* classic action. So far they
>seem fairly content two movies in to create amusing,
>entertaining, but forgettable flicks.

  

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Spider-Man: Far From Home (Jon Watts, 2019) [View all] , j0510, Sun Jun-24-18 10:46 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Spidey Stealth Suit
Dec 08th 2018
1
I almost hate that Jake Gyllenhaal is Mysterio...
Dec 09th 2018
2
Spider-Man: Far From Home | Teaser Trailer
Jan 15th 2019
3
thats not a Teaser Trailer..thats the movie
Jan 15th 2019
4
RE: thats not a Teaser Trailer..thats the movie
Jan 15th 2019
6
looks generic and boring, but the last joke in that clip is hilarious
Jan 15th 2019
5
SPIDER-MAN: FAR FROM HOME - Official Trailer
May 06th 2019
7
Well, that answered quite a bit
May 06th 2019
8
RE: Well, that answered quite a bit
May 06th 2019
9
Did you watch the trailer?
May 06th 2019
12
      Oh shit, haha
May 07th 2019
15
it's been touched on many times in the MCU actually
May 06th 2019
10
      Haven't seen the shows. Were they this explicit though?
May 06th 2019
13
neat
May 06th 2019
11
#bitchplease
May 07th 2019
14
Does anyone think that the MCU will bring in the Sinister Six?
May 07th 2019
16
i mean, they could probably let that goofy ass Venom cross over
May 07th 2019
I could see Venom crossing over one condition....
May 07th 2019
18
      Agreed on Kraven
Jun 28th 2019
20
           Tom Holland wanted them to get Jason Momoa for Kraven
Jun 28th 2019
21
                agreed on Venom
Jul 01st 2019
22
                Kraven would be good for one major reason... *spoilers*
Jul 04th 2019
30
they already have
Jul 05th 2019
33
.
May 07th 2019
17
up
Jun 27th 2019
19
lol obviously everyone was waiting on bwood's early review
Jul 01st 2019
23
Saw it today - liked it- BUT...
Jul 03rd 2019
24
I liked it a lot. Probably more than Homecoming
Jul 03rd 2019
25
great, ovreall better than Homecoming (full review)
Jul 03rd 2019
26
SPOILERS
Jul 03rd 2019
27
      RE: SPOILERS
Jul 05th 2019
34
More fun than Homecoming, but it was a little flabby
Jul 03rd 2019
28
A little disappointed, honestly. It's charming but SO weightless.
Jul 04th 2019
29
I think he meant more that this movie really had no stakes
Jul 05th 2019
32
      Yep, cosign all of that.
Jul 07th 2019
38
These Spiderman movies are high school dramas tho
Jul 06th 2019
35
      But that's my problem. We hardly get those stakes either.
Jul 07th 2019
37
           I think that's a Marvel issue, not a Spiderman movie issue
Aug 05th 2019
39
So are we gonna see...
Jul 06th 2019
36
man Mysterio is cool as fuck.
Aug 07th 2019
40

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