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94. "Saw this shit Monday night."
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Over the course of nineteen years and twelve movies, Fox has released X-Men movies of varying quality. Most okay at best, a couple that are excellent, and most that are very bad. The biggest sin this franchise has suffered is being stuck in a retrograde early 2000s aesthetic. Here we are with the seventh and final installment in the main series is Dark Phoenix. And you know they’re serious this time out as X-Men is missing from the title. After doing a piss poor job adapting “The Dark Phoenix Saga” in X-Men: The Last Stand with the old crew, series stalwart Simon Kinberg makes his directing debut, trying again with the prequel cast. And it turns out that it’s the same X-Men film that they’ve been making for almost twenty years now.

During a dangerous mission with the X-Men in space, Jean Grey (Sophie Turner) absorbs a cosmic entity that unleashes her dark side. After a series of escalating incidents, mutants now must fend for themselves after Jean’s newfound power grows stronger and more unstable. Meanwhile, the leader of a mysterious alien race (Jessica Chastain) seeks the power for global domination and annihilation.

The biggest problem here is that there is a whole movie’s worth of character development missing from X-Men: Apocalypse to this film. Professor X as a sniveling, egotistical villain could’ve worked had there been a movie in between these two to reach this point. James McAvoy plays the Professor as smarmy, and almost hand-rubbingly comical to drive home the fact that we’re not supposed to be rooting for Charles Xavier this time out. With a mouthwatering grin and watery eyes, it was a little too much. As always, these X-Men films have no clue what to do with Professor X (Logan being an exception) and it shows here. Remember Rose Byrne’s Moria MacTaggert who was Charles Xavier’s love interest in both First Class and the previous film? Never mentioned here. You’d think this being the last one they’d wanna touch upon that.

Michael Fassbender’s Magneto had the most interesting storyline which should’ve been its own film. Granted the island of Genosha by the U.S, government, this has been its own storyline in the comics for Magneto giving our villain/anti-hero some much-needed pathos. In fact, it would’ve been cool to explore how a former bad guy tries to atone for his past sins by creating a community shut off from the world to help others like him. It’s just too bad all of that falls to the wayside for Magneto to briefly break bad, then turn good again.

I feel bad for Sophie Turner. She is giving a great performance for material that is not really there. Scott (Tye Sheridan) and her are now in a relationship and this is where I mean that there’s a movie missing. In Apocalypse, Scott had a crush on Jean and Jean was just trying to make friends with everyone. Here, they’re in a relationship and it doesn’t feel natural. I do appreciate that this time out, they put here front and center instead of a chess piece like in The Last Stand. This also brings up the many, many continuity problems that have plagued this series. In the previous film, it is shown that the Phoenix Fore was inside of her all along like the OG trilogy, now they take it back to their cosmic roots of the Phoenix Force being an entity. There’s something to be done here with a woman’s emotions and problems trying to be figured out be men seeing how the X-Men has worked with allegories since their comic book debut.

But hey at least Jennifer Lawerence showed up for work this time out. It seemed like she actually gave a shit and turned in actual performance. And speaking of character development, remember how in X-Men: First Class how Mystique and Beast (Nicolas Hoult) had a thing for each other and it’s kinda been dropped in these last two movies? Well, there’s a very awkward scene where Mystique asks Beast to run away with her. Again, when did these two become a couple and it seemed Jen and Nicolas weren’t too keen on the scene for obvious personal reasons. Oh and for some reason, that’s not explained, Beast can transform into his human form at will. Seriously. Same goes for Mystique who has no reason to turn into Jennifer Lawerence in this film.

So, if you’re wondering just who Jessica Chastain is playing all I can say is a shape-shifting alien. They mention her name once and I can’t remember for the life of me. Not that it matters that much as honestly. She’s just there to push Jean towards evil and provide a villain for the X-Men to fight. And if you’re wondering why Jess’s eyebrows and hair are bleached blonde, maybe because she’s an alien, I can tell you that the alien kills human Jess who had bleached eyebrows and hair.

Narratively, there’s an odd pace to this movie. Taking place in 1992, it’s been 30 years since the events of First Class, and no one has aged. It’s weird how the prequel series jumps forward a decade with each film adding nothing aesthetically or narratively. But yeah, this is less than two hours and it feels both too long and too rushed. Part of that is due to properly service all of the characters. Sadly, this is the best use of Storm even if Alexandra Shipp’s African accent is so bad that at one point laughs erupted during my press screening. If you’re wondering of Evan Peter’s Quicksilver is given closure with Magneto, sorry to say that after the first twenty minutes Quicksilver is put into a coma until the last five minutes of the movie, so his storyline is never properly resolved. Tye’s Cyclops is still a whiny bitch. You’d think after years of fan complaints on how Cyclops has been portrayed on screen that they’d at least try to switch it up. And Kodi Smit-McPhee’s Nightcrawler comes to realize he’s okay with killing in the third act despite there being no set-up for this at all. I’ll give Dark Phoenix this, at least this is the first X-Men movie to feel like a team movie with everyone working together and using their powers together. For the comic fans out there, Dazzler makes an appearance. For those of you who don’t know who Dazzler is, the scene she’s in is goofy and obvious fan service.


Simon convinced Hans Zimmer to come out of retirement for scoring comic book movies to score this. This is perhaps Zimmer’s most uninspired score I’ve ever heard. Nothing here sounds good. When talking to a couple of colleagues, they were both shocked that this was a Zimmer score. One said the film was overscored and yeah it was. I was shocked by how bland it sounded.

So for those of you wondering how was the directing debut of the writer of xXX: State of the Union? Well, it’s certainly better than what Bryan Singer did on Apocalypse, but it’s still shoddy. The action is flat with very little excitement. There are two major set pieces here with the space rescue mission and the reshot third act train sequence. Let me say that the space sequence has a very goofy eye cannon for Cyclops to use. You can tell this is someone’s first feature as the movie is overedited and some scenes that need to breathe aren’t really allowed to.

Simon has been writing for the X-Men franchise since The Last Stand. The best one he’s touched has been Days of Future Past mainly as he’s working from a script that Matthew Vaugh and his writing partner worked on vigorously before leaving the franchise. All of the hallmarks of his writing are here. There is a lot of bad dialogue including the one PG-13 use of fuck uttered by Cyclops and it is unintentionally hilarious. However, the film’s biggest sin is doing this storyline right after we’ve been just introduced to the younger versions of these characters taken the emotional weight that this is supposed to have and throwing it out of the window.

Hopefully, Disney put the X-Men on a ten-year hiatus. Five at the shortest and when the mutants are introduced into the MCU, hopefully, time is taken to do “The Phoenix Saga” properly before jumping directly into “The Dark Phoenix Saga”. The way this film wraps up in the last five minutes reeks of reshoots after the Disney merger. Most of it lazy and doesn’t make sense in the slightest. But hey that’s been the X-Men franchise since The Last Stand. What makes this worst is that this film’s ending retcons the best film in this franchise, Logan. Take that as you will

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X-Men: Dark Phoenix (Simon Kinberg, 2018) [View all] , bwood, Wed Jun-14-17 12:45 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Jessica Chastain don't deserve this shit
Jun 14th 2017
1
NOPE. She signed on. She's absolutely deserving.
Jun 14th 2017
3
This will be trash.
Jun 14th 2017
2
I have no faith in Simon Kinberg...
Jun 14th 2017
4
      I never understood why they gave Mystique any screen time at all
Jun 14th 2017
5
im with it.
Jun 14th 2017
6
They have no respect for the source material
Jun 14th 2017
7
for fuck sake
Jun 14th 2017
8
Seems like they're rushing to make it.
Jun 15th 2017
9
just blow it up and don't touch it for five years
Jun 15th 2017
10
Too much Mystique, she ain't really that important
Jun 15th 2017
11
*sigh* Alright, well, I'll defend this then...
Jun 15th 2017
12
DOFP had its detractors at the time
Jun 15th 2017
13
I don't see much of a defense there.
Jun 15th 2017
14
And they have nothing new to add to Charles/Magneto
Jun 15th 2017
15
To add to both of your points
Jun 15th 2017
16
First Class has grown on me a bit
Jun 15th 2017
18
      And that's another problem. Quanitity over quality
Jun 15th 2017
19
Yep. I don't think they've advanced that narrative at all.
Jun 15th 2017
17
Valid points, and much better explained than others I've heard.
Jun 15th 2017
20
Y'all gotta stop with the bias bullshit
Jun 15th 2017
22
      We'll stop when it stops being a thing.
Jun 15th 2017
23
      Should've known you'd come in here with this shit
Jun 15th 2017
24
           RE: Should've known you'd come in here with this shit
Jun 20th 2017
31
      Maybe, but I only hated 2 movies, see above.
Jun 16th 2017
26
https://media.tenor.com/images/547931dce5ae02e83f58146f07509b0b/tenor.gi...
Jun 15th 2017
25
nah more than 2 of them joints suck
Jun 15th 2017
21
there are only 3/4 stinkers in the x-men franchise
Jun 17th 2017
27
      I don't understand the first class love
Jun 19th 2017
29
           The major failure of FC to me was the follow up
Jun 19th 2017
30
So Fox retconned Phoenix from X-Men 3
Jun 18th 2017
28
the people who claim x-men films are well-liked are so weird to me
Jun 20th 2017
32
yeah....these last few were immediately forgettable.
Jun 24th 2017
33
RE: the people who claim x-men films are well-liked are so weird to me
Jul 04th 2017
35
      Logan is an X-Man, but is "Logan" an X-Men movie???
Jul 04th 2017
36
      so, when you were done cherry picking examples
Jul 04th 2017
37
           It's not cherry picking when he posted the most recent x-men films
Jul 05th 2017
39
           RE: so, when you were done cherry picking examples
Jul 05th 2017
41
                there seems to be a miscommunication
Jul 15th 2017
44
Looks like Magneto is gonna be doing the same shit he's been doing
Jul 04th 2017
34
Why not make an R-rated Magneto flick?
Jul 05th 2017
38
that's a really cool idea
Jul 05th 2017
40
      They've literally tried this already
Jul 05th 2017
42
           RE: They've literally tried this already
Jul 11th 2017
43
                1st Class was 1st Class...
Mar 30th 2018
64
I told y'all Simon Kinberg was wrong for this.
Aug 30th 2017
45
I'm the biggest defender of these movies...
Aug 31st 2017
46
RE: I told y'all Simon Kinberg was wrong for this.
Dec 07th 2017
49
There was never anything right about it. It was always going to be trash...
Dec 07th 2017
50
First look at the film.
Dec 07th 2017
47
boring
Dec 07th 2017
48
      RE: Villians
Dec 07th 2017
51
      if they can do a good Thanos anything is possible
Dec 08th 2017
53
           you think so?
Dec 08th 2017
54
      I'm content with Logan being the end of that universe.....
Dec 08th 2017
52
This bullshit got pushed back
Mar 27th 2018
55
either it's getting canned or they're retooling it for the MCU
Mar 27th 2018
56
Way I look at it is this.
Mar 27th 2018
57
That's an excellent point
Mar 27th 2018
58
I'm literally laughing out loud at this... this shit not being retooled ...
Mar 28th 2018
61
Reason for delay. (partial swipe)
Mar 27th 2018
60
      They won't hear you, tho.
Mar 30th 2018
63
LMAO. This shit is trash and that was apparent from jump.
Mar 27th 2018
59
phoenix is one of my favorite story lines
Mar 29th 2018
62
Ding dong the witch is dead!!!
Apr 30th 2018
65
Am I the only one who doesn't want the Xmen in the MCU?
Apr 30th 2018
66
a couple of years ago i would've been with you
Apr 30th 2018
67
Not right now, at least.
Apr 30th 2018
68
You're not.
May 01st 2018
70
So this means...
May 01st 2018
69
that leaked trailer on reddit looks bad
Sep 26th 2018
71
Looks like a standard X-Men movie. If you're already on board with those...
Sep 26th 2018
72
      it looks like Apocalypse pt 2
Sep 26th 2018
73
Trailer niggas
Sep 27th 2018
74
i care (c) luke
Sep 27th 2018
75
why are they doing this.
Sep 27th 2018
76
So now SHi'ar, no Lilandra?
Sep 27th 2018
77
Like I said up there^^^ I enjoy these more than not, BUT...
Sep 27th 2018
78
I'm going to see it, but it looks like garbage
Sep 27th 2018
79
Keep Evan, Sansa can go too.
Sep 27th 2018
80
Trash...Glass in theaters 1-18-19
Sep 28th 2018
81
Release date moved from Feb 14 to June 7.
Sep 28th 2018
82
Dark Phoenix | Official Trailer
Feb 28th 2019
83
better than the other trailers but . . .
Feb 28th 2019
84
None of this looks *bad* to me.
Feb 28th 2019
85
this looks like dookie
Feb 28th 2019
86
Its Dark! I'm upset!
Feb 28th 2019
87
Not a fan of the trailer
Feb 28th 2019
88
Haven't seen it, but I know it's absolute trash
Feb 28th 2019
89
I kind of like the trailer but I have no interest in this
Feb 28th 2019
90
Dark Phoenix | Final Trailer
Apr 17th 2019
91
im surprised j law is still showing up for these things.
Apr 17th 2019
92
      she never had a problem phoning in a performance.
Apr 17th 2019
93
           Ha!
Jun 11th 2019
99
Cotdamn. This shit hella flopped.
Jun 10th 2019
95
I think New Mutants was shelved altogether
Jun 11th 2019
96
      The official word was that New Mutants will be released April 3, 2020
Jun 11th 2019
97
It's just as bad as the last couple.
Jun 11th 2019
98
dogshit
Jun 18th 2019
100
Back In 2017 I Was Hyped, But In 2019 This Was A Disaster
Aug 16th 2019
101

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