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54. "That's your opinion, but it doesn't mean critics aren't doing their jobs..."
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>lack of japanese actors. hell i didn't even notice half of
>the stuff you pointed out.

>more japanese actors simply wouldn't have made that dry ass
>script any better. or the direction for that matter.

I'm not convinced this is necessarily true. Different casts provide different spheres of influence on the proceedings. You're right that the script was not good and the direction wasn't good either... but making the film more specifically about Japan very well may have forced the creative team to make different decisions that would've made the film more interesting. It certainly would've made the film more interesting from a cultural perspective, bare minimum-- and an all-Japanese cast save for the corporation and the shells would've undoubtedly added layers.

My point is really that one can't accuse critics of needing to "get back to their jobs" when the takes being lobbed out there were, for the most part, exceedingly fair. I'm usually the first one to point out a critical dogpile when I see one-- and honestly, Gods of Egypt, another film that got dogged for whitewashing, is a pretty good example of a movie with way more interesting shit than it gets credit for, albeit a movie that's overall quite uneven-- but this really wasn't an unfair critical consensus. Yeah, some critics got assholish and hyperbolic, but that's the nature of the biz at this point. The points being made underneath those layers were definitely legitimate opinions, imo, and telling critics to stop being "social justice warriors" when the issue of culture and race is woven directly into the fabric of the film through setting and identity isn't a terribly constructive path.

For the record, I know a few people who feel similar to you re: ScarJo's whiteness not having a negative impact, and I've had this debate with those people as well, so I know you're not alone... I just can't get around how fucking easy it would have been to remedy literally *every* issue in the film with an all-Japanese force surrounding ScarJo. They could've had their white cake and eaten it too, so to speak.

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Ghost in the Shell (Rupert Sanders, 2017) [View all] , bwood, Sun Nov-13-16 09:22 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
love the creepy geishas
Nov 13th 2016
1
RE: love the creepy geishas
Nov 13th 2016
2
Visually on point but ScarJo feels awkward
Nov 13th 2016
3
can't bring myself to support this movie
Nov 14th 2016
4
Im here! Gonna be interesting which version of the property shows up
Nov 14th 2016
5
Stand Alone Complex is the truth
Feb 14th 2017
11
Major's voice is strong,commanding. ScarJo voice too weak
Nov 14th 2016
6
New trailer
Feb 13th 2017
7
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/smhp.gif
Feb 14th 2017
8
Man, I want this to win. But I don't know
Feb 14th 2017
9
Is it me...
Feb 14th 2017
10
Not a believer in Rupert Sanders/Ehren Kruger
Feb 14th 2017
12
Went to a IMAX 3D event tonight for this
Feb 28th 2017
13
TIME TO BREAK OUT THE BROWNIES
Mar 01st 2017
14
      I was dead sober last night and I'm telling you that's a bad idea
Mar 01st 2017
15
I saw the anime. The character looked white but that's a general thing
Mar 01st 2017
16
it should be really hard to fuck this up. this is an easy property to ad...
Mar 01st 2017
17
Nah, its totally NOT an easy product to adapt, lol
Mar 01st 2017
18
^^ THE ORACLE OF OKP has spoken.
Mar 01st 2017
19
It was great
Mar 30th 2017
20
I liked it with HUGE reservations
Mar 30th 2017
21
Its weird. I get the whole critique
Mar 30th 2017
22
no no no no no
Mar 31st 2017
25
I stand corrected; its been a minute since Ive seen the source material
Mar 31st 2017
27
      on its face it's one thing
Mar 31st 2017
32
You should see the movie first.
Mar 31st 2017
26
Full review
Mar 30th 2017
23
      that...doesnt make sense. like even as a idea during brainstorming
Mar 30th 2017
24
Asian American Media Group Accuses ScarJo of ‘Lying’ for Whitewashin...
Mar 31st 2017
28
They're right. It's the weirdest part.
Mar 31st 2017
29
      I pointed all of this out in my review.
Mar 31st 2017
30
      Which would be the most anime way to go about it
Apr 04th 2017
46
That's was really good but as a fan of the franchise what the fuck
Mar 31st 2017
31
that's about what I figured it would be.
Apr 01st 2017
33
i've seen some clips online...is scarjo's acting so bad for the whole
Apr 01st 2017
34
It's intentional
Apr 01st 2017
36
She's one of the best parts of the film.
Apr 03rd 2017
43
She is the female Keaunu Reeves...
Apr 03rd 2017
44
It's a very mixed bag
Apr 01st 2017
35
fuck this dumb movie.
Apr 02nd 2017
37
Didn't enjoy. Fell asleep, a few times.
Apr 03rd 2017
38
I enjoyed it.
Apr 03rd 2017
39
I don't know if it's an unpopular opinion
Apr 03rd 2017
40
      i agree.
Apr 03rd 2017
41
      Yup.
Apr 03rd 2017
42
           I've never been a fan of the OG film didn't even finish it.
Apr 04th 2017
45
first 30 minutes were good, then it went to hell and never came back
Apr 13th 2017
47
Why is the majority of a Japanese police force not Japanese?
Apr 13th 2017
48
Frank why even bother?
Apr 13th 2017
49
you make good points, but i genuinely didn't care about the so called
Apr 13th 2017
50
      Nice edit
Apr 13th 2017
51
     
      in japan they seem pretty chill about that whole situation
Apr 14th 2017
56
      wait, you might have different priorities than other viewers?
Apr 14th 2017
55
remember when critics did their job and said your favorite DC movies
Apr 13th 2017
52
      ^imagine being that old and still mad as shit all the time on the net
Apr 14th 2017
57
           I like how you pretend I'm the one that's angry
Apr 14th 2017
58
meh.
Apr 13th 2017
53
Glad this shit flopped.
Apr 14th 2017
59

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