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Tiger Woods
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9. "It's fair to ask if Disney would have let them do this at all"
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Wed May-11-16 12:12 PM by Tiger Woods

  

          

It's likely that independent Marvel of the mid-aughts could more easily conceptualize and carry out a movie universe than Disney-owned Marvel could have.

Let's assume the birth of Marvel Studios played out something like like this:

- they realized that even without their bread and butter properties in Spider-Man and Wolverine, they still had a bevy of characters with huge potential

- they got enough of the creatives in the company to buy in to the
concept

- they set up a movie studio and made their vision concrete

- they found a distributor

- they cast Downey (every bit as crucial as the other parts. Fair to assume IM1 isn't as good and this ship may never even leave port without him in the role)


By Avengers 1 when Disney buys Marvel, there's a proven model in place and Disney has, for the most part, bought into that model and limited their interference. Disney's thinking "these movies make a shit ton of money not just because they're about superheroes, they make money because they're good so why mess with it?"

But let's say Disney owned Marvel at the onset of the MCU. Well for one it probably doesn't move as nimbly as it did and still does.
And it's probably harder to green light an entire fleet of films all working toward a big "event" type movie like Avengers. Maybe Disney commits to a handful of Marvel pitches on a trial basis, but it's fair to assume they lead with a more obvious property like Cap or a new Hulk. Those characters have proven to be great onscreen, but they're not remotely as interesting as Downey's Stark was the first time you saw Iron Man 1, and at the time Downey himself was even a gamble, one that the Mouse may not have been as comfortable taking.

So there's a simple moral here; let the storytellers tell the stories and get the fuck out of the way. Decision makers at a big studio have one agenda - make money. But the creatives have an entirely different agenda and that's simply to spin yarns. The reason Marvel Studios right today has worked so well is because the concept of a "Marvel Cinematic Universe" started with creatives and it worked, in turn leading to the suits buying in and (mostly) continuing to allow the creatives to steer the ship. (THERE'S A BLACK PANTHER MOVIE COMING!)

Conversely, it's why these DC movies are so bad, because Geoff Johns is the only dude representing the storytellers and the rest of the parties involved are Hollywood jagoffs who think they know better but have no reverence for the source material. And I like that these guys are sweating right now. I like the idea that you can't just hastily put two commodities together and expect to make a billion dollars, that's when you end up with "Best of Both Worlds" and not "Watch the Throne."

Even though they're owned by Disney, even though there's billions of dollars at stake, and even though they are a very different entity than they were at their inception, Marvel Studios' ethos mostly remains the same; be patient and try to make dope shit. You stick to those principals and more often than not you'll hit.




  

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Can we explore The Marvel Effect? [View all] , Invisiblist, Tue May-10-16 11:00 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
You raise a great point
May 10th 2016
1
nah niggas just chugging the koolaid.
May 11th 2016
2
Serialized storytelling help Marvel
May 11th 2016
5
Did they originally plan for Joker to be in DK Rises?
May 11th 2016
7
      He had one scene, which they gave to Scarecrow
May 11th 2016
10
           Makes sense.
May 11th 2016
17
Chugging the koolaid = finding the characters vastly preferable?
May 11th 2016
8
      I do think it would help X-Men greatly.
May 11th 2016
13
      they need to stop making X-Men films for a while
May 11th 2016
26
      I think the first half of the first X-Men is pretty great.
May 12th 2016
36
      ^empty rhetoric & hyperbole
May 12th 2016
34
           If you want to actually engage instead of just being an asshole...
May 12th 2016
35
                I'm just glad I got to sit with my popcorn and watch both movies
May 12th 2016
38
                     You continue to elude an actual point.
May 12th 2016
40
                          Jesus man, it's not that serious
May 12th 2016
41
Yeah. They have upped the bar in terms of story.
May 11th 2016
3
I think it's cause the studio meddled too much
May 11th 2016
6
      I hear this all the time, and it always confuses me.
May 11th 2016
11
           Depends on your level of engagement with the movie
May 11th 2016
15
           I liked AOU. It just isn't as flawlessly perfect as Winter Solder or
May 11th 2016
16
           It just felt disjointed
May 11th 2016
18
           I watched Ultron again yesterday. It's heaps better on rewatch
May 11th 2016
24
                The dialogue in AOU is so terrific.
May 12th 2016
37
                rewatching even the best installments is just a chore
May 12th 2016
39
I definitely think it's impacted the X-Men films
May 11th 2016
4
I think there's a zero percent chance it'd be unfolding this way.
May 11th 2016
12
This was what I thought this thread would be about in the first place
May 11th 2016
30
Except Marvel never got out of the way of filmmakers.
May 11th 2016
14
I think by and large, Marvel got it right.
May 11th 2016
19
Watch the Throne was terrible
May 12th 2016
42
The problem is that others have tried to create a different lane...
May 11th 2016
20
deadpool worked thanks to flawless marketing
May 11th 2016
21
what the fuck? bad CGI? GTFOH
May 11th 2016
27
The problem is that others made shitty movies.
May 11th 2016
23
they make awesome fast food movies, no doubt. i highly enjoy
May 11th 2016
22
Worth noting for some: ppl aren't asking DC/Fox to make Marvel movies.
May 11th 2016
25
personally this is the exact opposite of what i want
May 11th 2016
28
... did you intentionally misread my comment? lol
May 11th 2016
32
Case in point: Marvel's Netflix shows
May 11th 2016
29
      "Mostly humorless"
May 11th 2016
31
           Which is a fantastic reason to tell him.
May 12th 2016
33

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