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We live in very dangerous times. There’s now a mass shooting every week with some even flying under the radar at how common they are becoming. I have seen many people decry The Punisher as the wrong show at the wrong time. Some have even said that show will never be appropriate. Well, true believers, I can say that they are all one hundred percent wrong. The Punisher is timely and more important urgent take on Marvel’s ultimate anti-hero.

Frank Castle (Jon Bernthal) is a walking zombie working overtime and laying low after retiring his Punisher persona. When a mysterious hacker with the code name Mirco (Ebon Moss-Bachrach) seeks Castle out to right a wrong done to the both them. The two, however, uncover a much bigger conspiracy that will have bigger consequences than either of them could’ve imagined.


Look, first and foremost this is a character drama first, action show second. I’ve seen nothing but complaints from audiences and critics alike that it’s too slow and you know what? I would take this slow pace building characters for me to be invested in than a non-stop CG extravaganza.

That character work is what makes The Punisher so great. There’s stuff that in the early episodes are gonna test everyone’s patience but right off the bat, I knew that everything was gonna come back around and tie back into Frank. Which it does in ways that are very well written making the payoff that much better.

When this show was first announced, I was very excited that Steve Lightfoot was the showrunner. For those unfamiliar, Lightfoot was co-showrunner on the excellent (and canceled way too soon) Hannibal with series creator Bryan Fuller. Lightfoot has written some of the best episodes of television on that show and here even if he has assembled a team of capable writers of crafting the best incarnation of The Punisher yet. One of the things that always bothered me (and there are many) about the best version we had until this point which was the 2004 movie. Director and co-writer Jonathan Hensleigh, who noted, “There are a couple of years where I didn’t want to go; Microchip, the battle van, all that stuff where it got really high-tech; we’re not going there at all. I deemed that too complicated, too lacking of the spirit of the sort of urban vigilante”. This proves simply that he didn’t get as both the battle van and Micro have been outfitted to fit the “urban vigilante” feel of the character. Plus, we get the comics accurate base of operations that Microchip and Frank work out of.

In fact, Mirco has been made into a real character providing much of the heart and hope for this show. In the comics, he was just a goofy sidekick and comic relief who recently got turned into something unrecognizable as they had him make a lasting heel turn that just doesn’t work. Here he’s still an ancillary character, but with more importance. His arc of wrestling with guilt over doing the right thing versus doing the easy thing is well done as well.

Deborah Ann Woll is back as Karen Page and this is the best she’s ever been written. There’s a maturity to her character and for the first time in her now fourth season of television, she does smart things. With the character being either previously a victim or just annoying, it’s good that she now has found a way to be a fully functioning character in her own right. Also returning from previous shows are Royce Johnson as Detective Brett Mahoney and in a cameo Rob Morgan as Turk Barrett.


Ben Barnes continues his run of playing the charming slimy asshole antagonist (like he does on Westworld) with Billy Russo, a name that should be familiar for Punisher fans. Amber Rose Revah is incredible as Dinah Madani, the Homeland Security agent who has an incredible arc. She kicks off an investigation that’s vital to the show with not only her being a woman, but the character’s Iranian-American heritage comes into play. Even Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio as Marion Jones turns up and her character is layered as well in her brief time onscreen.

So, the thing I want to point out is the politics of this show. It does not glorify gun use and makes the gun control debate a big part of the story. This show seems frustrated that essentially money comes into play for not providing the incentive for better gun control. That political debate even continues with the American society’s treatment of vets and how they become disenfranchised partially blaming us on breeding homegrown terrorists.

As far as the violence, it’s done to not make it look cool. Sure, we want Castle to win, everyone agrees that not only is Castle a destructive man, he’s a necessary evil. The show weighs the pros and cons of vigilantism as well as abuse of power from various government agencies from the local police all the way to the CIA. In fact, Castle himself is conflicted when it comes time to complete a mission as he doesn’t want to kill soldiers who are just doing their jobs. Jon Bernthal makes Castle a worthwhile protagonist who by the end of the show has a very powerful last scene bringing his character to a worthwhile conclusion. It’s not easy, but people do see the good in Frank while recognizing the evil he’s done. Like I said in my review for Daredevil Season 2, Bernthal provides the definitive take on Frank Castle.


Tyler Bates has composed a score worthy of the work done in Luke Cage by Ali Shaheed Muhammad and Adrian Younge. With an acoustic country blues guitar engrained in the score as well as the show’s impressive opening credits, it’s ingrained in the score as well as the show’s DNA. As Castle plays his guitar as well as Micro’s it fits within the urban environment in New York while staying true to the character. As with Bates’ other work he uses a Marilyn Manson song in an episode that he co-composed. The Bruce Springsteen reference is a well-done character moment as well as another Wu-Tang reference that not only acts as another unifier for the Netflix side of the MCU but proves as a fan just how universally loved that group is.

Is this show perfect? No. The pacing lags at times proving the problem that all these shows desperately need to be shorter with about eight or ten episodes max. And because of that some scenes of suspense come off as wheel spinning especially when Frank gets captured, you wonder why don’t the bad guys just kill him, but hey that’s a minor complaint when a show makes great use of the tired Marvel Netflix trope of the hero fugitive wrongly framed and on the run. Even characters saying “welcome back Frank” had me giddy as a reference to the title of one of the most acclaimed storylines in Punisher history.

Despite Daredevil season one being better paced, to me, this first season of The Punisher is the best thing that has come out of the Marvel Netflix side. Part of that is due to the truly standalone nature of the show despite some returning characters. By the season’s end, things are wrapped up so well that if this was it, I would be happy with it. But seeing as they’ve managed to brilliantly set-up The Punisher’s arch-nemesis. Steve Lightfoot desperately wants to do a second season. Since the rights to streaming are up in the air now with all Disney related properties, I say Disney greenlight it ASAP.

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Punisher Netflix series in the works *swipe* [View all] , bwood, Sat Jan-16-16 02:34 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
*prayers answered*
Jan 17th 2016
1
Yes, Barracuda please.
Jan 17th 2016
2
      HA The GAWD Bokeem back in action n/m
May 02nd 2016
5
Looks like it's a go!!!
Apr 29th 2016
3
hmm
Apr 29th 2016
4
Apparently, Microchip has been cast. Gunning for 2017 release
Aug 17th 2016
6
Micro and two others announced
Oct 06th 2016
7
Gotta admit Karen Page co-starring in this not a huge selling point
Oct 08th 2016
8
^^^^^
Aug 21st 2017
11
Dropping in November apparently.
Jun 09th 2017
9
Teaser
Aug 18th 2017
10
Marvel's The Punisher | Official Trailer
Sep 20th 2017
12
ONE!
Sep 20th 2017
13
as much as I like Jon Bernthal as an actor
Sep 20th 2017
14
2nd trailer! Drops November 17th!!!
Oct 19th 2017
15
First two episodes are solid
Nov 17th 2017
16
You can tell that whoever wrote this
Nov 18th 2017
17
Reading the subject was enough
Nov 18th 2017
19
good review
Nov 20th 2017
21
This review is everything I wanted to say after watching
Nov 20th 2017
22
yeah this is pretty good
Nov 20th 2017
20
**SPOILER WARNING** I suppose
Nov 27th 2017
23
I mean there kind of was
Nov 27th 2017
24
RE: **SPOILER WARNING** I suppose
Nov 27th 2017
25
So good! Best marvel Netflix joint for me
Nov 28th 2017
26
Every Episode Pure Intensity.
Nov 28th 2017
27
It's hard not to call this the best Marvel/Netflix joint yet.
Nov 29th 2017
28
definitely the best Punisher
Nov 29th 2017
29
      Absolutely agree.
Nov 29th 2017
30
Loved it. Couldve been 9 eps tho.
Nov 30th 2017
Loved it. Couldve been 9 eps tho.
Nov 30th 2017
31
Disagree. At no point did it drag for me
Dec 02nd 2017
32
      i'm with this
Dec 03rd 2017
33
      Didn't say it dragged
Dec 03rd 2017
34
4 more episodes to go
Dec 04th 2017
35
Fantastic. One of the best series of 2017 period
Dec 04th 2017
36
Very good point. Completely agree
Dec 05th 2017
38
This was great...
Dec 05th 2017
37
Renewed for Season 2
Dec 13th 2017
39
Fantastic! Seems on Netflix too
Dec 13th 2017
40
the friendship b/w Micro and Frank was amazing
Dec 15th 2017
41
well, I'm glad at lest 1 person liked Iron Fist &The Defenders
Dec 18th 2017
42
      lol...seems that way anyways
Dec 18th 2017
43
Started a rewatch on this.
Mar 25th 2018
44
Punisher was a lot better than I expected
Mar 25th 2018
45
      The car chase and heist at the end of episode 4
Mar 25th 2018
46
By far my favorite Marvel series.
Mar 31st 2018
47
What a show - Best that Marvel's got
Jul 23rd 2018
48

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