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Warning: major spoilers for Star Wars: The Force Awakens ahead.

I loved the film. Seriously, I did. And yet it also has more plot holes than any film I've ever seen, which makes the reviews it's getting pretty irksome. Why can't we just admit that BB-8 is adorable, Finn is hilarious, Rey is badass, seeing Han and Chewie again was awesome, the special effects were tremendous, Poe is Soloesque, Kylo Ren is intriguing, and this movie makes absolutely no sense whatsoever?

Below are 40 plot holes in The Force Awakens. A few are trifling, but most are pretty damning. All of them were entirely unnecessary -- given the amount of time put into this film, the number of people who worked on it, and the amount of money everyone involved in it knew it stood to make -- and in this respect can be deemed unforgivable.

1. To blow up the 120-km "Death Star" in Star Wars, the rebels needed detailed plans for the base and a full-scale invasion force -- as well as the supernatural targeting skills of the most powerful Force-user in the galaxy. To destroy the exponentially larger and better-protected "Starkiller Base" in The Force Awakens, all that was needed was a janitor with no special skills, a few run-of-the-mill handheld explosives, a couple not very difficult X-wing blaster strikes, and some moxie. It also helped that the Millennium Falcon was able to "fly low."

2. The wily Han Solo loses track of his most prized possession, the Millennium Falcon, for more than a dozen years. He has no idea where it is -- in the entire Galaxy. When you lose something in your house, that's bad; when you lose something on your planet, you kiss it goodbye but pray for a miracle; when you lose something in the entire Galaxy, you just get on with your life. And yet, less than a minute after Rey begins piloting the Millennium Falcon, Han looks out the window of his freighter and says, "Oh, there it is."

3. Kylo Ren, a powerful Force-user, fights a light saber duel with an ex-janitor who has never held a light saber and yet (a) never uses the Force on his opponent, though doing so would have ended the duel immediately, and (b) barely wins the fight, suggesting that he is simultaneously one of the least strategic wielders of the Force the Dark Side has ever seen and, despite his training, absolutely terrible with a light saber. None of this stops Kylo Ren from designing and building his own, completely impractical cross-barred lightsaber.

4. Rey becomes nearly as effective a Force-user in a few hours as Luke Skywalker did in a few years.

5. Just minutes before Starkiller Base explodes, Supreme Leader Snoke tells Hux to go get Kylo Ren and take him off the planet. Unfortunately, Ren had recently (unbeknownst to Hux) run into the woods like a lunatic, leaving no information about his whereabouts. It's no problem, though, because Hux apparently has special Kylo Ren GPS and (one assumes) goes right to the spot in the middle of the forest where Ren is bleeding to death; otherwise, Ren would have died on the planet along with everybody else from the First Order.

6. The reason Ren was slowly bleeding to death -- instead of being dead by Rey's hand -- is that a massive a chasm had just miraculously opened up in the several feet between the two of them. Such bad timing for Rey! (Damn you, deus-ex-geology!)

7. Rey, who has never left her home planet since she was a child, can speak Wookie. Nobody can speak Wookie -- it's a running joke in the Star Wars universe. But Rey being able to speak Wookie surprises neither her, Han Solo, nor Chewbacca himself.

8. It's okay that Poe survived a Tie Fighter crash; after all, so did Finn. But has any film ever cared less about (a) giving the false impression a character has died, and then (b) having that character show up later with no one being surprised by it? Even Finn doesn't seem to care very much what the explanation is.

9. What is all this nonsense about the First Order only wanting to destroy the Republic because the Republic is supporting the Resistance? First of all, isn't the Resistance part of the Republic, not a separate operation? And if it is separate, why has the First Order only just now discovered the not-very-well-hidden fact that the Republic is supporting the Resistance? And if the Resistance is in fact a part of the Republic, why didn't Starkiller Base destroy the Republic's planets and moons much, much earlier? In other words, what is the status of the war between the Republic and the First Order at the beginning of The Force Awakens, such that this precise moment is when General Hux decides to simply press a button and destroy the Republic?

10. For that matter, why is it made to seem like the entire Republic is centered in just one star system? Let alone one whose planets and moons are all visible to one another with the naked eye? Isn't the Republic intergalactic? And why did the First Order choose to destroy all the planets and moons visible from Maz Kanata's home-world, but then initiate a conventional invasion of the latter planet? Why not just fire one more planet-killing beam and destroy Kanata's planet too? Because not doing that leads to a significant military defeat for the First Order that was totally avoidable. And another thing: if the Republic is in power, why is the Resistance the "Resistance"? What are they resisting? Isn't the First Order the "Resistance," as they're resisting the hegemony of the Republic? It's like someone on-set said "the Rebels need a new name," without realizing that the political situation in the Galaxy had totally changed since the events of the previous films.

11. Kylo Ren is the head of the Knights of Ren, but there are no other Knights of Ren in the movie.

12. Captain Phasma is supposed to be a big-deal character in The Force Awakens, if the merchandising and casting are any indication, and yet (a) how bad of a commanding officer do you have to be, how thoroughly inept in military tactics and strategy, to command the worst-trained fighting force in the Galaxy (the Stormtroopers hit even less with their blasters in The Force Awakens than in any preceding Star Wars film); (b) she's only in three scenes, in one of which she relays an order from Kylo Ren to initiate a massacre of innocents (hardcore!) and in another of which she immediately surrenders to Han, Rey, and Finn as soon as they encounter her and then does exactly everything they ask of her (pathetic!), making her character incomprehensible; and (c) in her third scene she effectively reveals that Finn's character is incomprehensible, as she notes that he has in fact been trained since birth to obey all orders, and has never in his life disobeyed even a single order until the day he decides to act like he's never been trained, indoctrinated, or dehumanized at all.

13. Really? Was there no previous order Finn had ever refused to execute? Was the slaughter on Jakku actually the first naughty thing the First Order had ever required of him?

14. Finn is an ex-janitor who goes AWOL from a Stormtrooper force numbering in the tens of thousands. Yet he is absolutely convinced, despite being someone of no importance whatsoever to the First Order, that he will be chased across the galaxy for having defected. Apparently, there's a premium on janitors in this quadrant of the Galaxy. Sure, Finn killed some people during his escape, but doesn't the First Order emphasize with every tactical decision it makes that it considers its soldiers thoroughly expendable, and don't they quite obviously have much bigger fish to fry during the events of The Force Awakens than to worry about Finn? Why wouldn't this be obvious to him?

15. Let's be clear: Han's son joins the First Order, and Luke's attempts to train new Jedis goes horribly wrong, and both men respond to these setbacks by, well, abandoning the Resistance to be utterly slaughtered by the First Order. Luke chills on an island, and Han on a smuggler's freighter, while untold thousands or millions of innocents are killed by the Order. Can we even comprehend how pissed Leia would be at both of them, and how cowardly Leia (at least the Leia we see in the first three films) would consider them both? And yet she seems only mildly peeved at Luke, and, despite Han implying otherwise, is almost entirely happy to see him when he turns up at the Resistance stronghold.

16. By the end of the movie, the impression is left that every single First Order soldier is dead besides Supreme Leader Snoke, General Hux, and Kylo Ren. That probably won't turn out to be the case, but the fact that we're given this impression makes the climactic discovery of Luke on an isolated island entirely irrelevant. After all, what need does the Resistance have of Luke now? Why should anyone care, at this point, if he's found? Because there are two bad dudes left in the entire Galaxy, one of whom only shows up anywhere as a hologram? And okay, let's say, for the sake of argument, that there are millions more First Order soldiers elsewhere in the Galaxy; isn't it strange that the film gives absolutely no indication whatsoever that this is the case?

17. Why does General Hux need to gather all of his troops just to tell them he's about to press a button and destroy the entire Republic? Can't he do that without a cattle-call of his entire army? Because it really ends badly for him, putting his entire army on the very planet he's about to make Resistance Target #1. No chance anybody saw that coming?

18. How pissy is it of Luke to (a) abandon the Resistance, and then (b) leave an obnoxiously coy trail of bread-crumbs to sort of (but not really) help people find him (at some unspecified time)? Why did he leave multiple maps out there in the ether, anyway, given that him having done so allows the First Order to find one of them?

19. Why wasn't the Resistance able to access R2D2's data archives at any point over the course of the many years Luke was gone? Why did they, instead, simply prop him up in a corner, when they had to know that he knew Luke's whereabouts -- as he always has in the past?

20. When the Resistance finally figures out where Luke is, after looking for him for many years, why do they send only Chewbacca and a random girl who Leia just met to collect him?

21. Kylo Ren has such a Force-enabled sense of where his father is in the Galaxy that when his father lands on Starkiller Base, Ren immediately exclaims to himself, "Solo!" Yet a few minutes later, when Ren is just twenty feet from Solo, he can't detect him -- and actually starts searching for him in the wrong direction.

22. How lame is Han's attempt to convert his son? Han knows Ren (Ben) has just participated in the genocide of literally billions of people on multiple planets and moons, and he basically says to him, "Hey, this just isn't you, buddy..." Of course his son kills him! What else was going to happen?

23. Why do Rey and Finn just stand by watching as Ren murders Han? They didn't know Ren was Han's son, so the drama on the catwalk must have looked absolutely bizarre to them. Why didn't they think to fire even a single blaster shot down at Ren (given that he was just standing there on the catwalk) until -- from their vantage-point, with the knowledge they had at the time, entirely predictably -- Ren killed Han?

24. Rey says that the Millennium Falcon is "garbage" and hasn't been flown in many, many years. Indeed, it's such junk, in her view, that she won't even board it when she's about to be ripped to pieces by twenty Tie Fighters. Then she gets on board and it basically flies perfectly. So much so that it's not at all clear why no one has been flying it, let alone why its owner (Unkar Plutt) hasn't tried to sell it at any point over the past dozen years -- despite the fact that Plutt appears to live in a hovel.

25. Why does Plutt offer Rey 250 times her usual pay for BB-8 and then, when she says "no," simply tell some of his heavies to just steal it? If Plutt is enough of a baddie to order it stolen at all, why not just steal it from the outset instead of first offering some random urchin the biggest financial windfall she's ever seen?

26. Maz Kanata is a friend to the Resistance. So why is she hiding Luke's light saber from them? Wouldn't she give them anything she could to help them find Luke, and doesn't it in fact turn out (as anyone could have supposed) that Luke's light saber is indeed helpful in tracking the last Jedi down?

27. How did Kylo Ren manage to get Darth Vader's mask into his little fetish den? This is only the most significant piece of memorabilia in the entire Galaxy. Not a plot hole per se, but still odd. And yet a similar question could be asked of Rey: how did she get that X-wing pilot helmet, and why doesn't she sell it for food? And why does Teedo (a fellow scavenger on Jakku) just give Rey BB-8 after capturing the droid, given that as an experienced trader Teedo would already know that (as Rey quickly discovers) BB-8 is worth 100 times more than any random pile of junk either he or Rey could ever offer Plutt? Now that is a plot hole.

28. How does Finn find Rey's settlement, given that the film makes clear that all Finn can see, after his Tie Fighter crashes, is endless dunes in every direction?

29. Who trained Rey to fight with a staff as effectively as she does, given that (a) she is an orphan with no friends or family, and (b) she has never been in a battle, but is, rather, merely a scrap-metal scavenger?

30. If Finn is such a good guy that he would try to save Rey the moment he saw she was in distress, doesn't it further call into question just how in the world the order to kill civilians on Jakku was the first time he'd ever had qualms about doing something the First Order had asked him to do?

31. Given that all Poe knows about Finn is that he's a First Order defector, why does he seem happy to see Finn just seconds after (and perhaps as) BB-8 tells him Finn is alive? There's no real reason for Poe to trust Finn -- or care about his well-being -- at all. Rather, he would assume, as anyone would, that whatever Finn did or did not do on Jakku, he surely had committed other atrocities for the First Order (and killed many a Resistance fighter) before then.

32. Kylo Ren takes his mask off pretty readily, and in pretty mixed company, for someone determined to wear super uncomfortable headgear perpetually.

33. Why does Kylo Ren assign just a single Stormtrooper to guard Rey, the most valuable prisoner in the history of the First Order?

34. How do the Rathtars on Han's freighter get loose? If he's just keeping them loose in the hanger, why don't they kill him when he's walking through the freighter toward the Millennium Falcon, or at any other time? And if he's got them chained up, how do they escape?

35. Why do the Rathtars immediately kill every human they encounter -- except Finn, who is randomly dragged off just long enough to be rescued?

36. Why are all Stormtroopers human (or humanoid)? If by the time of the First Order any clones being raised to be Stormtroopers are no longer clones of Jango Fett, why aren't there now Stormtroopers of every species as well as every (human) race? Why aren't there flying Stormtroopers from the same species as, say, Watto (from The Phantom Menace)?

37. If basically everyone in the Galaxy knows the Force is not a myth -- for instance, every single Stormtrooper in the First Order, who has seen Kylo Ren use it or heard tell of him using it; every single person in the Resistance, who knows the Resistance is looking for Luke Skywalker; every single person in the Republic, which was first established in part by the heroism of the Jedis -- how is the existence of the Force a total shock to Rey? Jakku is sheltered, but as we know from the film (cf. Lor San Tekka) there are many people on Jakku who either have seen the Force first-hand or heard first-hand accounts of it from visitors to the planet.

38. Is Supreme Leader Snoke actually a giant? Because if not, wouldn't him using holographic technology to make himself appear huge be a pathetic affection signaling deep-seeded insecurities? Even the Emperor never did that; he just appeared normal-sized or tiny. And if Snoke is a giant, how come we've never seen a humanoid that size in Star Wars before?

39. Why would the First Order spend untold quadrillions of to build the Starkiller Base, when a similar concept and design plan had twice before been destroyed with minimal difficulty by the rebels? And doesn't the recurrence of this tactical error for the third time in the (relatively) brief history of the Empire/First Order suggest that everyone in the First Order who was involved in the construction of Starkiller Base, at every level of management and authority, should be instantly shot in the head? (Of course, it's too late for that by the end of the film, but still.) How positively brain-dead is Snoke to have learned literally nothing from history? And for those who say that clearly a solar-powered Death Star is way better than a non-solar-powered Death Star, well, clearly not!

40. Is there any other film franchise in the history of cinema that would be permitted, by its fans and by critics, to recycle so many plot points? Luke destroys a Death Star; Lando destroys a bigger Death Star; Poe destroys the biggest Death Star. Anakin kills (the Jedi's) Younglings; Kylo Ren kills (Luke's) Younglings. Leia, Luke, Han, and Chewie end up in a trash compactor; Captain Phasma ends up in a trash compacter. Poe and Finn steal a ship they're not supposed to steal from a hanger; a young Anakin steals a ship he's not supposed to steal from a hanger. Luke watches Obi-Wan die; Rey watches Han Solo die. The Emperor and Snoke both appear (at first) exclusively via holograms. The Millennium Falcon negotiates tight spaces at top speeds in every film. There's a den of iniquity on Tatooine, and a visually identical one on Takodana (Maz Kanata's home). Rey climbs dangerously on the interior of a Death Star, as did Luke. Han gets shown up (as to military and technical smarts) first by Leia, then many years later by Rey. Obi-Wan disappears where no one can find him but Luke, then Luke disappears where no one can find him but Rey. Kylo Ren and Darth Vader use the Force for an interrogation. The First Order's General Hux is the same Nazi-with-a-British-accent as every Empire officer or petty official before him. Rey falls in love (we think) with a young scamp, as did Padme. The Resistance headquarters seems to be the same movie set as the Rebel headquarters from decades earlier. Poe is a crack shot, like Luke. BB-8 is the new R2D2. Kylo Ren is related to Han, just as Darth Vader was related to Luke.




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Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) SPOILERS/REVIEWS thread [View all] , handle, Thu Dec-17-15 02:12 PM
 
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Saw it, its an easy 5/7
Dec 17th 2015
1
5/7?
Dec 17th 2015
2
5 out of 7
Dec 17th 2015
4
lol
Dec 17th 2015
3
haha
Dec 17th 2015
5
Beware of Roger
Dec 22nd 2015
216
if Finn wasn't such a mess of a portrayal, I'd like this movie a LOT mor...
Dec 18th 2015
6
LMAO
Dec 18th 2015
7
He aint sith yet
Dec 18th 2015
34
      I know..but Worst Sith Ever...works for me
Dec 18th 2015
38
           I hope not
Dec 18th 2015
39
he's a little goofy, true to the storm troopers we grew up on..
Dec 18th 2015
10
dawg, in addition him to finn SHOUTING every line for the first hour...
Dec 18th 2015
27
nah, that's not what he does. In Attack the Block he's essentially
Dec 19th 2015
70
^^^^
Dec 18th 2015
31
I really liked Finn
Dec 18th 2015
35
No. Finn was fucking awesome.
Dec 18th 2015
45
Finn was awesome but I'm biased
Dec 18th 2015
53
Did you watch the same movie as the rest of us? Finn was that dude.
Dec 19th 2015
56
I liked that Finn was more pragmatic than "good"
Dec 19th 2015
89
He's a young nigga figuring it out. Realistic, actually.
Dec 19th 2015
112
Loved it.... okay I only have one question...
Dec 18th 2015
8
most of the EU are no longer canon
Dec 18th 2015
11
Im not sure they don't recognize her
Dec 18th 2015
14
the younger sister angle could def work....
Dec 18th 2015
17
I thought she was Luke's daughter
Dec 18th 2015
18
My Rey theory
Dec 18th 2015
19
RE: My Rey theory
Dec 18th 2015
25
this seems bizarre to me
Dec 19th 2015
90
yeah the books messed me up too
Dec 21st 2015
151
loved it.. EASILY the 4th best SW film... ***SPOILER***
Dec 18th 2015
9
R2 was
Dec 18th 2015
12
damn! thanks that makes sense... ****MORE SPOILERS****
Dec 18th 2015
15
Force Ghosts
Dec 18th 2015
16
I thought he was activated by Ray, who carries Luke's DNA
Dec 19th 2015
67
Giving it 3rd best status behind Jedi
Dec 18th 2015
36
      wait wait wait ... third best BEHIND jedi?
Dec 19th 2015
57
           Meant to say AHEAD; my bad.
Dec 19th 2015
63
I loved it but
Dec 18th 2015
13
Great characters. Insanely familiar-- no surprises. A pleasant diversion...
Dec 18th 2015
20
RE: Great characters. Insanely familiar-- no surprises. A pleasant diver...
Dec 19th 2015
93
yep.
Jan 04th 2016
336
Well, it wasn't Phantom Menace, so there's that
Dec 18th 2015
21
RE: Well, it wasn't Phantom Menace, so there's that
Dec 18th 2015
22
Though it was great
Dec 18th 2015
23
Thoroughly enjoyed it. Excellent set up for the franchise
Dec 18th 2015
24
A Newer Hope but still pretty dope
Dec 18th 2015
26
After a 2nd viewing I'm changing my family tree stance
Dec 18th 2015
50
It's very good
Dec 18th 2015
28
kylo ren as an unlikeable villian "crescendoed" to pretty good
Dec 18th 2015
29
my whole theater had zero reaction to this cause we all saw it
Dec 18th 2015
32
      RE: my whole theater had zero reaction to this cause we all saw it
Dec 18th 2015
33
           It was telegraphed when he walked out on the bridge
Dec 18th 2015
54
                when he handed over the trigger I was like "oh this is it"
Dec 20th 2015
126
I'm sure i would have LOVED this movie if i hadnt already seen IV
Dec 18th 2015
30
RE: I'm sure i would have LOVED this movie if i hadnt already seen IV
Dec 23rd 2015
244
If Finn is going to be this generation's Han...
Dec 18th 2015
37
RE: If Finn is going to be this generation's Han...
Dec 18th 2015
40
      I hope so; Oscar Isaac is wasted if not given more to do
Dec 18th 2015
41
      I didnt know that was her
Dec 18th 2015
49
           The voice was very recognizable...what I didn't kno was Lupita
Dec 19th 2015
59
      Seems he should've taken them to the Reisstance
Dec 18th 2015
44
      He was a plot device in this film; was supposed to die.
Dec 21st 2015
168
Liked it, didn't love it. Mainly cuz of the predictability already menti...
Dec 18th 2015
42
finn was the shit.
Dec 18th 2015
55
      Yep, I had the same Denzel comparison when watching...
Dec 19th 2015
74
           Finn is the only one who acts like an actual person
Dec 20th 2015
120
This shit coulda been called Phantom Menace
Dec 18th 2015
43
I loved it. I can't fully rank it yet because i want to see it again
Dec 18th 2015
46
I almost started crying when
Dec 18th 2015
47
Imma say 3rd best behind Empire and Revenge
Dec 18th 2015
48
I liked it a lot
Dec 18th 2015
51
It was also the first time Finn was making decisions for himself
Dec 19th 2015
110
I really liked it BUT
Dec 18th 2015
52
a lot of y'all are saying y'all really liked it but....
Dec 19th 2015
60
      Nah, I can dig it but still be worried
Dec 19th 2015
64
      Yeah at this point there shouldnt be a film 'setting up a franchise'
Dec 19th 2015
66
      Re: the action... it's not great, honestly. Prequels have better action.
Dec 19th 2015
73
           But good action scenes are more than just technical achievement
Dec 21st 2015
197
      Mos DEF, JJ's Star Trek is much better than JJ's Star Wars
Dec 20th 2015
114
           That's all I'm saying
Dec 20th 2015
117
           JJ's Star Trek was criticized for not being Star Trek enough
Dec 20th 2015
119
                ^THIS^
Dec 21st 2015
149
                ^^ Pretty much. Lose lose with both franchises
Dec 24th 2015
259
Very mediocre until I see 8 and 9.
Dec 19th 2015
58
I think the building of the new characters was excellent
Dec 19th 2015
80
You call bullshit on an opinion? Okay, player.
Dec 19th 2015
95
      Kylo isn't a sith yet
Dec 19th 2015
106
      That still doesn't hold. No way Finn should have been able to hang.
Dec 26th 2015
273
      Kylo vs Finn/Rey
Dec 20th 2015
116
           Dude was bleeding to death + not that nice to begin with
Dec 20th 2015
121
           I forgot about the shot from Chewy. In that case he's just weak as fuck
Dec 26th 2015
274
Don't make excuses. It was medicore
Dec 21st 2015
172
who was the old guy on tattoine, I mean jukka that Oscar Isaac got the
Dec 19th 2015
61
my theory is that Luke got a secret Jedi coven
Dec 19th 2015
65
fuck this movie.....
Dec 19th 2015
62
You explained why that's the only way he should die
Dec 19th 2015
111
      I just feel a character like Han Solo should go out like a boss....
Dec 20th 2015
141
           that would've been od cheesy.
Dec 21st 2015
144
I really enjoyed it...
Dec 19th 2015
68
What do you mean think?
Dec 22nd 2015
220
      They didn't
Dec 22nd 2015
235
           what about the convo between han/leia though?
Dec 22nd 2015
241
                i actually agree with you...
Dec 30th 2015
329
i wanted to love it but I didn't...
Dec 19th 2015
69
RE: i wanted to love it but I didn't...
Dec 19th 2015
71
when was this revealed in the films?
Dec 19th 2015
76
      Clone Wars tv show
Dec 19th 2015
85
Kylo isnt the finished article yet.
Dec 19th 2015
72
It's was also an homage
Dec 19th 2015
79
Another thing, I wish Adam Driver was never on "Girls"...
Dec 19th 2015
75
he didn't do enuff sans mask to make me forget his girls character eithe...
Dec 19th 2015
77
      Thats why Kylo wears the mask tho
Dec 19th 2015
78
           True and that's all well and good. But I want to think of a soft shoulde...
Dec 19th 2015
83
           I couldn't hear him as anything but Adam.
Dec 20th 2015
113
           I've never seen Driver in my life prior to Force Awakens
Dec 20th 2015
122
                http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kareem-abduljabbar/girls-review_b_2593756....
Dec 20th 2015
131
           ^^^THIS and that's why its perfect
Dec 19th 2015
86
It was fine. Tough to be great with so many balls to juggle
Dec 19th 2015
81
!!!!
Dec 19th 2015
84
I need a spreadsheet for this
Dec 19th 2015
88
Yeah, I was left thinking a lot about the politics
Dec 26th 2015
272
I thought it was thrilling. Second best after Empire.
Dec 19th 2015
82
I'm with you. I loved it.
Dec 19th 2015
98
That was why I wanted to see it opening night....
Dec 19th 2015
99
that's how i feel
Dec 21st 2015
201
Where's the 'I had it my sister had it you have it' Luke VO from trailer...
Dec 19th 2015
87
Yeah they left some shit out. My fav part of the trailer
Dec 19th 2015
91
The VO is from RotJ and Mark Hamil re-recorded it specifically for the
Dec 19th 2015
92
      Oh shit my bad. I feel dumb now. Thanks for the link!
Dec 19th 2015
104
Saw a 2nd time today
Dec 19th 2015
94
I'm glad I went to see this twice before coming into this post....
Dec 19th 2015
96
I'm sayin - like what exactly did everyone hope for?
Dec 19th 2015
97
I've spend the last 4 weeks.....
Dec 19th 2015
100
RE: I've spend the last 4 weeks.....
Dec 19th 2015
101
RE: I've spend the last 4 weeks.....
Dec 19th 2015
105
I think people are being pretty clear on what they thought.
Dec 19th 2015
103
      Yeah. Not to mention these replies don't address the critiques at all
Dec 21st 2015
212
           People have decided to love it, no matter how shitty it is.
Dec 21st 2015
214
I've seen over 100 movies this year. Enjoyed roughly 70-75 of them.
Dec 19th 2015
102
Man
Dec 19th 2015
107
I'm over it: Star Wars just isn't the place for great mythology
Dec 19th 2015
108
for me, the magic/myth is in more than just the single movie
Dec 22nd 2015
219
      I am FINE WITH THAT. And GOOD FOR YOU and your fam.
Dec 22nd 2015
229
           i can certainly appreciate your point
Dec 22nd 2015
234
saw the first in 77 as a kid..this was what longtime oldass fans wanted
Dec 19th 2015
109
what did the Supreme Leader say at the end?
Dec 20th 2015
115
RE: what did the Supreme Leader say at the end?
Dec 20th 2015
118
He said, "so we're getting to the real story in the next one?"
Dec 20th 2015
136
      lmao
Dec 20th 2015
140
      thank you
Dec 28th 2015
289
Force Awakens remixes EU - I like this article, good points
Dec 20th 2015
123
Saying Snoke is based on Thrawn is a stretch
Dec 21st 2015
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      Abrams didn't read any of that shit.
Dec 21st 2015
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           Man, your inner child is PISSED
Dec 22nd 2015
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                Your outer child misses Jar Jar Binks
Dec 22nd 2015
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seen it 2x.
Dec 20th 2015
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RE: seen it 2x.
Dec 20th 2015
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      Didn't dig Gleeson initially, stepped out during the speech the 2nd x
Dec 21st 2015
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Fine movie, but reviews on BOTH SIDES are OFF.
Dec 20th 2015
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I agree with everything (other than the prequel talk); in particular thi...
Dec 20th 2015
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So it IS a problem that it's like ANH
Dec 20th 2015
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Nah, that isn't it.
Dec 20th 2015
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      Of course you can.
Dec 20th 2015
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           Ok, cool. I'm not saying I LIKED the similarities to ANH
Dec 20th 2015
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                RE: Ok, cool. I'm not saying I LIKED the similarities to ANH
Dec 21st 2015
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                     Well, this is the point. It's all about $.
Dec 21st 2015
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This post pairs best with my thoughts.
Dec 21st 2015
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as long as Disney respects the existing mythology
Dec 21st 2015
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      Nah, this is spiraling into a space magic Jerry Springer episode
Dec 21st 2015
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JJ explains how/why R2 woke up
Dec 20th 2015
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Jesus. That whole article proves my points
Dec 20th 2015
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Show us on the Black Series action figure where your uncle touched you
Dec 20th 2015
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Yowzers. I feel really sorry for some of you guys.
Dec 20th 2015
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      LMAO lighten up dude.
Dec 20th 2015
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           Hey, you're the one who mentioned child molestation
Dec 21st 2015
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I agree, what a shit answer
Dec 21st 2015
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"Luke turned him on because he was ready to help" >>>>>>
Dec 21st 2015
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      RE: "Luke turned him on because he was ready to help" >>>>>>
Dec 21st 2015
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           better answer below
Dec 24th 2015
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Crazy part is Abrams sees the problems, repeats them
Dec 21st 2015
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OE being brave with his "It's good/bad" stance
Dec 21st 2015
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      Simple: enjoyable, fun movie. Shitty, goofy story.
Dec 21st 2015
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           Star Wars was/is/always will be goofy. It's part of its charm
Dec 21st 2015
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                Nah, 4.5 and (even) 6 were well constructed, well made movies.
Dec 21st 2015
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                     USE THE AGENDA, LUKE
Dec 21st 2015
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                          No more child molestation references, please
Dec 21st 2015
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                               You wanted your childhood restored and got a movie instead
Dec 21st 2015
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                                    Opposite. I wanted a movie and got nods to my childhood
Dec 21st 2015
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                                         You wanted friends and have 50,000 msg board posts instead
Dec 21st 2015
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                                              Ah, so you're conceding that the movie was shitty
Dec 21st 2015
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                                              Naw. It's a good star wars movie. Problem is..
Dec 22nd 2015
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                                                   Hey, if you want to pardon a shitty movie, fine.
Dec 22nd 2015
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                                                        Maybe don't go into a movie expecting to see it 5 times
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                                                             I'll take seeing a good movie one time
Dec 22nd 2015
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                                              ROFL
Dec 22nd 2015
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"oh fuck, Luke skywalkers here" <--GOOD ANSWER
Jan 04th 2016
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reading this annoyed me.
Jan 11th 2016
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Boyega at the London premiere was straight comedy (vid)
Dec 20th 2015
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lmao that was great. I'm happy for dude
Dec 21st 2015
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This movie was a mess.
Dec 21st 2015
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^^^^GODDAMN!!!!
Dec 21st 2015
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      RE: ^^^^GODDAMN!!!!
Dec 21st 2015
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           Yeah. It stood unusual to me also
Dec 21st 2015
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           Even if Ren was mortally wounded
Dec 21st 2015
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           We don't know Ren is a trained soldier
Dec 21st 2015
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                Yeah and no. The movie doesn't explicitly spell it out
Dec 21st 2015
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           which is all bullshit. stop it.
Dec 21st 2015
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                RE: which is all bullshit. stop it.
Dec 21st 2015
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                every single thing you listed
Dec 21st 2015
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                How the fuck you hate Prometheus and like this shit?
Dec 21st 2015
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                     wait what, I love prometheus, you got me fucked up lol
Dec 21st 2015
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C+ needs improvement (spoilers)
Dec 21st 2015
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It 'righted' the ship but at the cost of being a solid stand alone movie
Dec 21st 2015
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we'll have to wait until next year to see if they can do a new story
Dec 21st 2015
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      What did you do with my Rjcc? Didn't you hate Avatar?
Dec 21st 2015
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           because Jake killed my nigga Tsu'tey AND took his chick
Dec 21st 2015
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                Avatar was literally thousands of times better than this shit
Dec 21st 2015
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                     jesus christ, no.
Dec 21st 2015
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                          "trolling" is saying Force Awakens is as good as A New Hope
Dec 21st 2015
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Loved the movie, didnt care for the plot
Dec 21st 2015
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Not as great as everyone is saying but not bad
Dec 21st 2015
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you mixing names up like crazy, haha
Dec 21st 2015
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Which names am I mixing up?
Dec 21st 2015
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Ren and Rey
Dec 21st 2015
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      You're right I got those names mixed up and didn't notice it
Dec 21st 2015
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what name did he mix up? maybe the fact that ep7 was a re-
Dec 21st 2015
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      RE: what name did he mix up? maybe the fact that ep7 was a re-
Dec 21st 2015
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           reread, he mixed it once and the context made it quite clear
Dec 21st 2015
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                4 times actually
Dec 21st 2015
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                     ok
Dec 21st 2015
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yup, i realize now that this film had a VERY low bench mark
Dec 21st 2015
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Very enjoyable. Mostly glad it sets up the new trilogy well.
Dec 21st 2015
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i wish it had been the other way around, carrie fisher was horrible
Dec 21st 2015
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      I was too, though storywise I'd say it makes more sense
Dec 22nd 2015
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Did anybody else think Chewie was gonna die when Han got killed?
Dec 21st 2015
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nah bruh, they kill chewie in the last Star Wars movie ever
Dec 21st 2015
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Yeah i think only Chewie is around by ep 9
Dec 21st 2015
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      going to be Chewie and R2 and relaxing
Dec 21st 2015
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           Ideally but i think they will let BB8 stand alone...
Dec 21st 2015
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Chewie's not done with Kylo Ren
Dec 21st 2015
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I thought he was gone instead...
Dec 22nd 2015
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would've been nice to have an R-rating
Dec 22nd 2015
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      in the book you get some arm-ripping action
Jan 17th 2016
      in the book you get some arm-ripping action
Jan 17th 2016
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too much recycled from RTJ
Dec 22nd 2015
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Baby boomers: we didn't just save the world; we saved the galaxy
Dec 22nd 2015
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I can get down with this reasoning
Dec 22nd 2015
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Nah. Either way it's big, dumb, fun.
Dec 22nd 2015
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      ^^^My man. Agreed on all. n/m
Dec 22nd 2015
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new republic / first order / resistance politics explained:
Dec 22nd 2015
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ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Dec 22nd 2015
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ay listen, O...
Dec 23rd 2015
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      Got you. Apologies. n/m
Dec 23rd 2015
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if only any of this had appeared in the film...but thanks
Dec 23rd 2015
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i'm with this guy
Dec 22nd 2015
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As epic as the first triology
Dec 22nd 2015
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Umm, this was hot/fun garbage
Dec 23rd 2015
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I respect the prequel trilogy more than this movie
Dec 23rd 2015
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      this is perfect.
Dec 24th 2015
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Our old heroes ended up dead beats
Dec 23rd 2015
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one more time, why not
Dec 23rd 2015
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what?
Dec 23rd 2015
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      RE: what?
Dec 23rd 2015
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           han solo did evolve. it didn't work.
Dec 23rd 2015
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           Those were words that he spoke in front of a camera
Dec 23rd 2015
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                nah, it's definitely supposed to be pathetic
Dec 24th 2015
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                     Nah, Harrison Ford just didn't care about this movie
Dec 26th 2015
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                          i bet m.night would've gotten a good performance out of him
Dec 29th 2015
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                               Couldn't have done any worse than TFA
Dec 31st 2015
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           Han admits that he devolved into his old bad habits after Ben split
Dec 23rd 2015
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                Nah, Harrison Ford devolved into a bad actor
Dec 27th 2015
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                     something something m.night
Dec 29th 2015
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let me explain some stuff for you slowpokes
Dec 23rd 2015
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glad you wrote this, because after seeing it again...
Dec 23rd 2015
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exactly. all of this. thank you.
Dec 23rd 2015
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      I'm curious why anyone should care that Luke is Rey's father
Dec 24th 2015
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           I don't know, maybe I'm not that hard to please...
Dec 24th 2015
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           i doubt it'll be a reveal, more like a plot point
Dec 24th 2015
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none of this addresses that TFA was a ANH repeated
Dec 24th 2015
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think that was pretty obviously deliberate
Dec 24th 2015
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      I stopped reading after ur first paragraph. There were plenty of
Dec 27th 2015
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      the filmmakers did tell a different story
Dec 29th 2015
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      LMAO @ "bringing back the old fans"
Dec 28th 2015
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           what would m.night do?
Dec 29th 2015
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Glad you wrote this
Dec 24th 2015
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RE: let me explain some stuff for you slowpokes
Dec 25th 2015
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lol the force can be/do anything they need to facilitate the plot.
Dec 27th 2015
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That's a copout though.
Dec 27th 2015
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the force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded
Dec 29th 2015
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lol, this guy. NO SHIT about Rey, first of all.
Dec 26th 2015
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That is perhaps the corniest review I've ever read.
Dec 26th 2015
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given that your ideal sci-fi adventure is directed by m.night
Dec 29th 2015
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umm, sarcasm? I can't tell if you are joking
Dec 27th 2015
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      and you might be the slowest of pokes
Dec 29th 2015
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           nah, it just wasn't good
Dec 29th 2015
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           Watching u try 2 squeeze meaning out of this shitty movie is LOL
Dec 29th 2015
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Im okay with the movie not showing all this
Dec 24th 2015
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I've seen it twice - each time the projection has been wrong
Dec 24th 2015
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I ENJOYED THIS "A NEW HOPE" REMIX BY DJJJ ABRAMS
Dec 25th 2015
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Featuring John Boyegalectronica
Dec 27th 2015
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Seems you and the author are unclear on the concept of plot holes.
Dec 27th 2015
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Oh here we go. SMH
Dec 27th 2015
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      lol you post some half assed critique and have the nerve to say that?
Dec 28th 2015
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           We all know what Plot holes are. Thank you and don't be mad.
Dec 28th 2015
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                LOL! Yet again, you offer no insight or perspective
Dec 28th 2015
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                     You are just mad that the Movie has issues. I still like it though.
Dec 28th 2015
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                          Mad? I POINTED OUT ISSUES IN THE MOVIE.
Dec 28th 2015
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whew. Is it that serious?
Dec 28th 2015
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How is this a "plot hole?"
Dec 29th 2015
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Half that list consists of things that aren't plot holes
Dec 29th 2015
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      LOL.. Half of the list.. LOL What about the other half (20 points)
Dec 29th 2015
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           I was being nice in saying "half", Basic Bill.
Dec 29th 2015
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           How are things like this a "plot hole"?
Dec 29th 2015
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                Why does he where the mask in the first place.
Dec 30th 2015
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                     it's not that deep. He's a Vader dickrider obviously
Dec 31st 2015
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                     Never mind. This is a waste of time.
Jan 01st 2016
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What about the HOLES in the article?
Jan 08th 2016
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alot of these are NOT PLOT HOLES
Jan 09th 2016
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Devils Adcovate +
Jan 26th 2016
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Star Wars and morality
Dec 27th 2015
280
I saw it a second time and liked it way more. However my cousins
Dec 27th 2015
286
Beat Jurrasic World's race to 1 billion by only one day? Meh
Dec 28th 2015
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I was surprised by that too, but I expect this to be around longer.
Dec 28th 2015
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      Yeah, it doesn't open in China until January 9.
Dec 28th 2015
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           RE: Yeah, it doesn't open in China until January 9.
Dec 28th 2015
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           RE: Yeah, it doesn't open in China until January 9.
Dec 28th 2015
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           lol for the recond someone surprised me and took me opening
Dec 28th 2015
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           Its cause China apparently DGAF about Star Wars
Dec 28th 2015
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                they don't let foreign movies run during the holidays in China
Dec 29th 2015
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                Just had the biggest opening weekend in Chinese history
Jan 11th 2016
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On second viewing, I'm more interested in the events between 6 and 7
Dec 28th 2015
303
if TNR is no longer the empire/senate
Dec 28th 2015
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      I'd watch a short film about the First Order's shady business dealings
Dec 29th 2015
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      The Clone Wars had several episodes about financing.
Dec 29th 2015
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      ah, I see
Dec 29th 2015
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      That's actually a pretty dope plan
Dec 29th 2015
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      RE: I'd watch a short film about the First Order's shady business dealin...
Dec 30th 2015
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      It's kind of covered in the books, but nowhere in the movies
Dec 29th 2015
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           are these books that are still canon or no?
Dec 29th 2015
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                This was all the "new" Canon books and comics
Dec 29th 2015
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                     ahh, gotcha. damn there's still a shit ton of stuff
Dec 29th 2015
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was cool for what it is. but...deja vu like a motherfucker.
Jan 02nd 2016
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my only serious complaint is the lack of visual spectacle.
Jan 04th 2016
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I agree with this. It was pretty boring visually.
Jan 04th 2016
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the prequels had visual spectacle
Jan 04th 2016
340
lots of fun and will see it again, but we got robbed of 2 things
Jan 04th 2016
341
I agree - to the point that both must have been purposeful.
Jan 04th 2016
342
still got beef over not getting a medal
Jan 05th 2016
343
Chewie helped carry Finn off the Falcon though right?
Jan 05th 2016
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Nah I don't think so. There's a shot of him just walking
Jan 05th 2016
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i saw that re: the novelization
Jan 05th 2016
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They definitely effed it up. I think their focus was on
Jan 05th 2016
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yup i was thinking this as well
Jan 06th 2016
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the idea that rey is a member of the solo/skywalker line
Jan 08th 2016
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      The only way it would make sense is if they didn't know...
Jan 08th 2016
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      maybe it's just a hug
Jan 08th 2016
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           Maybe. I'm definitely speculating. But they specifically sent her
Jan 08th 2016
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      i would rather it be just stupid than nonsensical
Jan 08th 2016
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are we supposed to take the novelization of the film as canon?
Jan 06th 2016
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      Yes, the novelization is canon.
Jan 07th 2016
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Had a thought
Jan 09th 2016
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Story was weak and the last 40 minutes were literally ep. IV
Jan 09th 2016
357
and Finn didn't stand a chance
Jan 09th 2016
360
i just watched attack of the clones again recently. its not good.
Jan 09th 2016
361
      it's soooo trash
Jan 09th 2016
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      word. i tried giving the prequels a fair chance recently.
Jan 11th 2016
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           the Anakin and Padme love story is possibly the cinematic WOAT
Jan 11th 2016
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                Han and Ben Solo was almost as bad
Jan 11th 2016
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                Not close to me.
Jan 12th 2016
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                     Right, and don't forget "I don't like sand, it gets everywhere"
Jan 12th 2016
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                     Jesus
Jan 12th 2016
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                     Han and Leia discussing divorce terms during a rebellion
Jan 12th 2016
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                          Nothing in movie history has been worse than this:
Jan 13th 2016
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                the entire arc. if it's not the worst, it's one of the worst.
Jan 12th 2016
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RE: Episode VII plot similarities to Episode IV
Jan 09th 2016
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it wasnt the thematic things that bothered me
Jan 10th 2016
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RE: it wasnt the thematic things that bothered me
Jan 10th 2016
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      im not sure i agree
Jan 11th 2016
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           RE: im not sure i agree
Jan 12th 2016
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                Exactly. Luke was looking up to the Binary sunset wanting to leave.
Jan 12th 2016
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                     Good lord. Lame. n/m
Jan 12th 2016
377
Jesus, you guys just refuse to think for yourselves
Jan 11th 2016
367
      china China China china
Jan 11th 2016
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VFX before and after
Jan 13th 2016
383
Why hasnt this leaked!!! lol
Jan 17th 2016
384
It has. Like opening weekend.
Jan 27th 2016
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      Lol I meant a screener
Jan 27th 2016
388
      sick of this kodi cam shit lol...
Jan 27th 2016
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RE: Bliss movie award winner
Jan 31st 2016
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You thought it was like A New Hope??
Feb 01st 2016
393
Best Star Wars movie of 2015
Jan 31st 2016
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Best Star Wars movie since the last one
Jan 31st 2016
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I saw it again this week
Feb 08th 2016
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I think a lot of these questions will be answered in the next movie
Apr 12th 2016
396
This movie definitely still holds up too.
Apr 11th 2016
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blu-ray review
May 15th 2016
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Just rewatched, and noticed something BIG.
Sep 19th 2016
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I've thought so since first viewing.
Sep 19th 2016
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I also did initially. But I've gone in circles because the
Sep 19th 2016
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Oh wow never thought of that
Sep 23rd 2016
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still my favorite numbered entry outside the original trilogy
Dec 26th 2020
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Yeah it's a great movie
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