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... a noted religious scholar that was a consultant for this season. They're older articles based on the first two episodes, but some interesting insights in both of them. A couple passages are pasted below:

http://www.vulture.com/2015/10/leftovers-mysteries-religion-reza-aslan.html

What’s the significance of the prologue, which takes place in the same spot that becomes Miracle?

The episode is called “Axis Mundi,” an ancient thought that goes back thousands of years. The idea is there are parts of the planet that served as a cosmic pole around which the entire universe circles. So for instance, the pyramids at Giza, the temple in Jerusalem, the Kaaba in Mecca are axis mundis... The inherent sanctity and magic of this place — whatever it is — is an eternal thing. It’s not just something that happened at the sudden departure.

Isaac predicts something bad is going to happen to John, who brushes it off. But when he drops his spoon down the sink disposal, he’s afraid to stick his hand in to get it. He’s superstitious after all.

You got it perfectly. The most absolute believer has in the back of his mind, in secret, doubt. And that’s true for the most fervent unbeliever as well. In the post-departure world, there is no such thing as absolute certainty. It just doesn’t exist.



http://www.vulture.com/2015/10/leftovers-questions-reza-aslan.html


But Kevin doesn’t cop to everything — his run-ins with deer and dogs.

Many think Kevin’s losing his mind; some think he’s having some kind of spiritual experience. I like to think of him in the second way, that either a prophet or a shaman. If I were to pick, I’d say he’s a shamanistic character. Prophets usually get messages from the beyond: They hear a voice telling them something, and then repeat that message to the masses. Shamans don’t really have a message. They’re kind of medicine men — that’s how they’re often referred to in tribal society... This is a very common trope in ancient religious traditions going back tens of thousands of years. Often they have an animal guide. In fact, for many shamans, the first part of the initiation is to find a spirit guide, an animal to communicate with and help them see the other world.

When Kevin Sr. is released from the mental institution, he says he’s now doing what the voices say. So was he “crazy” pre-Departure? Were the Kevins chosen before or after?

Is a shaman chosen or made? Most primitive tribes believe shamanism, and even prophecy, is a hereditary condition. Moses wasn’t just a prophet, so was his brother Aaron. Jesus has this prophetic nature, but according to his followers, so did his brother James... Shamanism is passed from father to son in almost every religious tradition. The fascinating thing about mental illness is that it’s also hereditary.


At the visitors’ center, someone tells Kevin he can help with his situation. Does he knows he’s a shaman?

I can’t imagine that in this post-Departure world Kevin is the only person who’s having this kind of experience … Holy Wayne was a really fascinating character because there was so much about him that was compromised, and yet whatever he was doing was actually working. People were dramatically affected by his hugs. Was he a charlatan, or did he have some kind of spiritual abilities? Isaac, the psychic, is example. This ability suddenly came to him. Is he a fraud, or is what happened in the Departure so earth-shattering that it created this psychic shift where people are spiritually transformed?

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
The opening of Episode 1 was crazy.
Oct 06th 2015
1
Yeah and they let it play out which was dope
Oct 06th 2015
2
that was the best baby actor I've ever seen
Oct 06th 2015
3
Heartbreaking scene
Oct 07th 2015
4
Ugh.. enough with the Guilty Remnant
Oct 19th 2015
5
Eh, I think it's necessary to advance Laurie's role
Oct 20th 2015
6
      Yeah, I know, i know. I just hate those fucking people lol
Oct 20th 2015
8
Sooooo was that rape in episode 3? SPOILERS
Oct 20th 2015
7
She showed him
Oct 20th 2015
9
yep
Nov 02nd 2015
19
Honestly, these first 3 episodes have been fantastic so far.
Oct 22nd 2015
10
so far this season is outstanding
Oct 25th 2015
11
So good! Love this season. Episode 4 might be the best so far
Oct 25th 2015
12
Home needs to smash Jill
Oct 25th 2015
13
He really does
Oct 25th 2015
14
Yuuuup
Oct 26th 2015
15
Just started the season last night...
Oct 29th 2015
16
Caught up in time for tonight's episode...
Nov 01st 2015
17
      It's been really good so far
Nov 02nd 2015
18
Damn this episode dropped bombs...
Nov 02nd 2015
20
it was beautifully sad
Nov 04th 2015
22
      Yup, exactly.
Nov 04th 2015
24
      i don't get why they couldn't contact the reverend
Nov 04th 2015
26
      Agreed
Nov 10th 2015
38
why is this season so amazing?
Nov 03rd 2015
21
I think what makes this season so good...
Nov 04th 2015
23
I hear you on the music for the intro BUT
Nov 04th 2015
25
significantly better than the first season...
Nov 04th 2015
27
      Sameses n/m
Nov 04th 2015
28
Rereading last season's thread...
Nov 06th 2015
29
Man Lens was a banging episode
Nov 08th 2015
30
NIGGGAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That episode was great.
Nov 09th 2015
31
Just to get something straight...
Nov 09th 2015
32
ORRRRRRRR.............
Nov 09th 2015
33
I'm here
Nov 10th 2015
37
nope, book didn't mention that theory at all.
Nov 11th 2015
39
Appreciate the confirmation, thanks
Nov 11th 2015
41
Yeah, there's no attempt to explain the "Departure" in the book at all
Nov 11th 2015
43
That's the thing about prophets
Nov 10th 2015
35
      RE: That's the thing about prophets
Nov 10th 2015
36
Great episode!!!
Nov 11th 2015
40
Agreed, I don't think Kevin is crazy.
Nov 11th 2015
44
      I wish I hadn't deleted the other episodes I DVR'ed...
Nov 12th 2015
46
I'm stunned this season is so good. Best show on TV imo.
Nov 11th 2015
42
I've never watched Lost....
Nov 11th 2015
45
      I got high hopes he doesn't disappoint, but Lost AND Prometheus...
Nov 16th 2015
50
If you're not watching this season...
Nov 16th 2015
47
Holy. Shit.
Nov 16th 2015
48
I wanna punch this nigga Michael in the fucking face repeatedly.
Nov 16th 2015
49
nah yo, he right to deny Jill...
Nov 16th 2015
51
      I know mad Christians that fuck on the reg...
Nov 16th 2015
53
           nah jill and her family crazy...
Nov 16th 2015
54
                Then he should still pipe
Nov 16th 2015
55
                     Maybe it's cuz he ain't into the choking thing, lol
Nov 16th 2015
58
                          She didn't look like she was into that either
Nov 16th 2015
60
I am confused!! But this is amazing!!
Nov 16th 2015
52
YOOOOOOOO
Nov 16th 2015
56
I'm still trying to figure out the why Virgil
Nov 16th 2015
59
      I think it's worth considering..
Nov 16th 2015
61
Virgil was Dante's guide through hell, so that's a pretty good theory
Nov 16th 2015
57
Lindelof on Kevin's death:
Nov 16th 2015
62
I refuse to believe Kevin is actually, factually dead.
Nov 17th 2015
63
He did give up his print before going on his journey
Nov 17th 2015
64
      definitely wanted to know more about
Nov 17th 2015
65
           He did wince when he saw Virgil
Nov 17th 2015
66
                Yeah, I don't think Virgil's story ends here.
Nov 18th 2015
67
Nuh unh
Nov 18th 2015
68
AW MAN!!!
Nov 23rd 2015
69
RE: The Guilty Remnant
Nov 23rd 2015
70
I think you're right, it's from the first season.
Nov 23rd 2015
71
that's true but I was moreso thinking about what Patty said
Nov 23rd 2015
75
      Good call, you're totally right.
Nov 23rd 2015
77
RE: AW MAN!!!
Nov 23rd 2015
72
I think everyone is thirsty...
Nov 23rd 2015
74
edit: double post n/m
Nov 23rd 2015
73
but wait...in regards to Mary Jamison...
Nov 23rd 2015
76
yeah for a while I thought Kevin
Nov 23rd 2015
78
I was thinking about this
Nov 23rd 2015
79
      i was thinking that or
Nov 23rd 2015
80
Lindelof's statement on last night's episode (swipe)
Nov 23rd 2015
81
Jeopardy final question Nov 18th... umm WTF
Nov 24th 2015
82
i actually saw this episode of Jeopardy...
Nov 24th 2015
83
Good interview with Tom Perotta
Nov 29th 2015
84
Edit: URL spoiler if you haven't seen episode 9
Nov 30th 2015
85
great interview and insight into the twist
Nov 30th 2015
86
it got me. I had no clue.
Nov 30th 2015
87
so...
Nov 30th 2015
88
Finally got to watch ep 9 last night.
Dec 01st 2015
89
So what happens next?
Dec 01st 2015
90
I just don't like Nora...
Dec 02nd 2015
92
      I tend to relate with Nora in general.
Dec 02nd 2015
93
           i get Matt's journey is necessary...
Dec 02nd 2015
94
                Agreed, lame how the other preacher wasn't explained.
Dec 03rd 2015
98
Is it Okay to hate Tommy now?
Dec 01st 2015
91
So freaking good.
Dec 02nd 2015
95
I think Meg's gripe with Jarden...
Dec 03rd 2015
99
sideways prediciton: I think Kevin is a/the ringleader.
Dec 02nd 2015
96
Meg is so creepy
Dec 03rd 2015
97
Stunning. Better than I hoped for.
Dec 06th 2015
100
It really was a helluva finale.
Dec 07th 2015
102
Fantastic season! Season 1 was ok but Season 2? Pfft
Dec 07th 2015
101
Only two things could have made this finale better
Dec 07th 2015
103
#2 woulda been THE SHIT!!!! nm
Dec 07th 2015
105
I would have been ok with this....
Dec 07th 2015
106
      i can see what you're saying...
Dec 08th 2015
107
           Kevin's mental issues were addressed well enough this season
Dec 08th 2015
108
                Agreed on both points.
Dec 08th 2015
110
                     wait, I have a question about this (re Virgil)
Dec 08th 2015
111
                          I always thought he was her daddy
Dec 09th 2015
112
Reza Aslan's third interview regarding the finale
Dec 07th 2015
104
That last interview made for good train reading
Dec 08th 2015
109
Third (and final) season!
Dec 10th 2015
113
Beginning to end, amazing story telling.
Dec 12th 2015
114
Season 2 ranks up there with my favorite seasons of any show
Dec 30th 2015
115

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