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18. "I'll take it that this means you haven't seen the director's cut"
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>First of all - and let me just get this out of the way - Blade
>Runner sucks. So that's strike one.

he's also redone a 'final cut' that's coming out soon (apparently he was limited in the stuff he was able to put together for the director's cut). you should really check that out.

>There may be an argument here if it were possible to draw a
>distinct line between now and a time where all sci-fi movies
>were on par with 2001. But seeing as how that was never really
>the case, I can't really clap to this.

yeah pretty much.


>Second - I find it hard to declare Sci-Fi dead when it seems
>to be so damn popular. I realize that this is an attack on art
>and not commerce, but come on. Popular culture has gotten a
>LOT nerdier over the past 20 years and there are sci-fi
>elements almost everywhere you look. Our action movies are all
>sci-fi thrillers now. Our most popular TV shows have
>superpowers, mad scientists and smoke monsters. Some might see
>this as a negative thing, a retread and dilution of concepts
>that were played out decades ago. Maybe so, but I see it as
>more of a positive thing, an integration of sorts. And
>attacking originality is such a slippery slope. There's the
>whole 'there are no new ideas' thing for one. And plus, I
>think it puts too much responsibilities on the storytellers to
>focus on the wrong things. I think the audience has some
>responsibility here as well to not be so damn jaded. It's not
>always about seeing new things, but rather seeing things with
>new eyes.

you could replace the words sci-fi with hip-hop in there and have this same argument in the lesson - LOL.

>I do agree that great Sci-Fi depends on ideas and not effects.
>Sometimes you get both, and I will actually defend The Matrix
>as an example of this. Then there's stuff like Pi and Primer,
>films that are able to blow minds on a shoestring budget. And
>they will always be the minority, it doesn't mean Sci-Fi is
>dead. It just means that the good shit is hard to come by.
>That's why it's called the good shit.

good call on Pi. haven't seen Primer, I'll have to check that out.

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[View all] , KwesiAkoKennedy, Thu Aug-30-07 11:47 AM
 
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Quality sci-fi films since Independence Day:
Aug 30th 2007
1
wtf
Aug 30th 2007
3
but what is not derivative?
Aug 30th 2007
7
yeah i get the
Aug 30th 2007
11
      mainstream sci-fi may suffer from a limited vocabulary
Aug 30th 2007
14
      There's the whole science thing to it
Aug 30th 2007
23
           could you explain a little further?
Aug 30th 2007
34
                People have a set definition of "science" as another word for "technolog...
Aug 31st 2007
41
      no more derivative than any other genre
Aug 30th 2007
21
Waterworld was The Road Warrior on the high seas
Aug 30th 2007
22
      RE: Waterworld was The Road Warrior on the high seas
Aug 30th 2007
25
i'd add Dark City & The Thirteenth Floor to that list
Aug 30th 2007
9
Gattaca too
Aug 30th 2007
19
      oh without a doubt Gattaca. eXistenZ....not so much lol.
Sep 01st 2007
52
this right here dude:
Aug 30th 2007
13
Wow. Your list didn't help your argument AT ALL.
Aug 30th 2007
29
      Did you read this part of my post?
Aug 30th 2007
40
Sci-fi Westerns are not dead!
Aug 30th 2007
2
LOL
Aug 30th 2007
15
Is there a sequel to Space Cowboys?
Aug 30th 2007
17
I would consider Firefly/Serenity a Sci-Fi Western.
Aug 30th 2007
30
      last night, I cried watching the docs on the SE
Aug 31st 2007
46
Real Talk
Aug 30th 2007
4
Danny Boyle's work tends to disagree
Aug 30th 2007
5
Sci-Fi isn't dead, it just moved out of its mom's basement
Aug 30th 2007
6
      I liked Primer a lot more than Pi although both are very confusing
Aug 30th 2007
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      director's cut, shmirector's cut
Aug 30th 2007
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           nah, this one actually makes a really big difference
Aug 30th 2007
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                I think the only problem I had was the voice overs
Aug 30th 2007
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                     Voice overs were added by the producers cuz of Focus Groups.
Aug 30th 2007
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                          Regardless, the movie came out in 1982. PENCILS DOWN ALREADY.
Aug 30th 2007
35
                               quick question: you know about the unicorn, right?
Sep 03rd 2007
60
Sc-fi is ashamed of itself
Aug 30th 2007
8
Firefly is very much a space western though
Aug 30th 2007
12
      RE: Firefly is very much a space western though
Aug 30th 2007
16
           the WHOLE POINT is that "sci-fi" is just a place to set your story.
Aug 30th 2007
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                RE: the WHOLE POINT is that "sci-fi" is just a place to set your story.
Aug 31st 2007
42
westerns like Apollo 13?
Aug 30th 2007
10
^^^best reply so far^^^
Aug 30th 2007
32
2001/alien being good movies had nothing to do with their genre
Aug 30th 2007
20
i stopped reading after "i don't like blade runner any more than...
Aug 30th 2007
33
      1) i read books and 2) which version of blade runner?
Aug 30th 2007
37
      ooooo you read books, you must be smarter than us film heads
Aug 31st 2007
43
           it just means that i (like most people) don't approach movies like film ...
Aug 31st 2007
49
      ha...me too...
Sep 03rd 2007
58
I'll give him this...
Aug 30th 2007
36
it's not just an overemphasis, a lot of films are missing with their eff...
Aug 30th 2007
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I think this is the real issue here.
Aug 31st 2007
44
then he must have missed Children of Men
Aug 31st 2007
45
Well...It IS The Truth
Aug 31st 2007
47
3:10 to Yuma is not that good but its better than the original
Aug 31st 2007
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RE: 3:10 to Yuma is not that good but its better than the original
Sep 01st 2007
50
The Western is back (production-wise anyway)
Sep 01st 2007
51
and even that was a stolen idea
Sep 01st 2007
53
RE: Well...It IS The Truth
Sep 03rd 2007
59
Sep 01st 2007
54
Declaring things dead is dead
Sep 03rd 2007
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THANK YOU! ...and just today, some lady told me ''yogurt's dead''
Sep 03rd 2007
57
Comic book flicks = the new sci-fi
Sep 03rd 2007
56
2001 >>> any film ever made all time ever ever ever
Sep 03rd 2007
61
oh yeah, and The Fountain just came out last year too
Sep 03rd 2007
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