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65. "RE: this is a movie by and partly about Al Gore"
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DrNO-
Since I appreciate your taking the time to respond thoughtfully to my comments on Easterbrook's article, I felt I should respond in kind to a few of the point you made. Some of these arguments have been made already by fellow supporters of the film, but I figured I should give a response as well. I think you and I agree that global warming is a legitimate issue, and that it deserves to be talked about in a way that will increase public awareness of the problem. We also agree that the best way to change policy and behavior in the necessary ways is to bring this message to an audience beyond the core environmentalists who already "get it". However, we disagree on the specific merits of Al Gore's documentary "An Inconvenient Truth" (check your local listings). I found the film compelling and believe it has the potential to: a. Change the minds of people who don't understand the issue AND b. Galvanize the movement that has already begun to take political action on the problem. The criticisms offered in your posts and Easterbrook's article have not changed my opinion about the film's potential to do these two things. I disagree with some of the ways you and Easterbrook have characterized the film, which I will describe below.

1. You say that "its easy to acknowledge that global warming exists." As Gore points out in the film, the US has NOT signed the Kyoto Accord, and a large proportion of mainstream media articles continue to perpetuate the false impression that "the jury is out" on the matter. While you and I may not need to be convinced of the problem, there are PLENTY of people for whom just hearing the scope of the problem is a real eye opener. And, while the film spends more time establishing the problem than it does describing the solution, it DOES also talk about realistic steps that our society can take to cut down carbon dioxide levels. As janey rightfully points out, this is one of the major take-home messages of the film, that we CAN take steps towards fixing this problem.

2. You complain that the film is too "political". In a sense, I agree, in that there are parts of the film seem to be there simply to glorify Gore, and stray momentarily from the more important message of the piece. However, I never felt that the movie allowed these biographical tidbits to sidetrack Gore's speech, which is an argument that really does transcend partisan politics. Although he does make mention of the current administration's refusal to address the science of global warming, I never felt that he was scapegoating Republicans. In fact, I thought he at least implicitly acknowledged that his own Clinton administration failed the world by not doing more to solve this crisis. I also walked away with the impression that the political roadblocks to addressing global warming are coming more from the energy industry than from either political party.

3. I don't believe Al Gore misuses the "worst case scenario" data in the film. The flooding cities are one piece of data out of a hundred, and I thought it was clear from the way he presented it that this was not some foregone conclusion, but one potential consequence. The flooding he describes is certainly much more plausible than the collapse of marriage at the hands of homosexuals, or the destruction of our nation's precious flag reserves at the hands of anti-patriotic arsons. But, as I said, I don't think this can be equated to the Republican scare tactics, because the message of the film is NOT "vote democrat" - not by a longshot.

4. Your point about Gore preaching to the choir is one that I agree with in part. I just don't think that it is any fault of his own. If Republicans who doubt the existence of global warming were to watch this documentary, I suspect they would rethink their position on the issue - it is just that persuasive. The fact that they stay away from this movie out of a knee-jerk reaction to its narrator says more about them than it does about the film. To continue to choose ignorance when the preponderance of evidence is so convincing is just inexcusable. And, if the movie's only impact is to get the choir to run out and preach to the rest of the world, I'd say that's still something of an accomplishment.

You've openly acknowledged that you haven't seen the documentary yet, and I urge you to check it out in spite of your reservations. If you walk out of the movie still convinced that Easterbrook's critique got it right, I'd be interested to hear your reasoning. Until you do see it, I'll echo the sentiments of others, and urge you not to perpetuate the notion that the movie is an overly partisan political piece. I just don't think it is.

peace,
murph

  

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Al Gore for President aka An Inconvenient Truth. [View all] , bignick, Tue May-30-06 06:46 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Did you read David Remnick's profile of him in the New Yorker?
May 30th 2006
1
Excellent piece. n/m
Jun 10th 2006
81
Imagine how different things would be now
May 30th 2006
2
I was just thinking that...
Jun 05th 2006
8
I'm looking forward to it.
May 30th 2006
3
aka Al Gore, American Hero
Jun 05th 2006
4
seriously, I have so much admiration for that man right now
Jun 05th 2006
5
      I know, me too.
Jun 05th 2006
6
three thumbs up (i borrowed one).
Jun 05th 2006
7
The moral flaws of an unconvenient truth (swipe)
Jun 05th 2006
9
Easterbrook is not helping the cause n/m
Jun 06th 2006
10
Bush Won.
Jun 06th 2006
11
and because of that, we lost.
Jun 06th 2006
12
      sad but true.
Jun 06th 2006
26
"fufff fuufff fufff fufff fuf"
Jun 06th 2006
13
not very convincing.
Jun 06th 2006
14
See, and I had an entirely different take on the ending.
Jun 06th 2006
15
but the solutions are the real hard sell
Jun 06th 2006
17
there's no connection to Fahrenheit 9/11 here
Jun 06th 2006
18
      while the issue IS bigger than liberal vs. conservative,
Jun 06th 2006
19
      I agree with you, and this is just the problem
Jun 06th 2006
22
           remember what Gore says in the film, though
Jun 06th 2006
27
                I've already begun
Jun 07th 2006
31
                     I go around yelling "REAL patriots take the BUS!"
Jun 07th 2006
39
                          yeah, I'm gonna feel guilty when I need a car again
Jun 09th 2006
80
      this is a movie by and partly about Al Gore
Jun 06th 2006
20
           because none of those will end civilization forever
Jun 06th 2006
21
           that's not how loads of your countrymen see it
Jun 06th 2006
23
           this is a totally nonsensical comparison.
Jun 06th 2006
25
           hurrah for sloppy science
Jun 07th 2006
32
                have you seen the film?
Jun 07th 2006
33
                I think by having Al Gore as the spokesperson
Jun 07th 2006
37
                     so you haven't seen the film
Jun 07th 2006
54
                          bah, I'm done with this post
Jun 07th 2006
55
                               NO
Jun 07th 2006
57
                                    RE: NO
Jun 07th 2006
58
                yeah, bringing attention to a HUGE problem is pointless.
Jun 07th 2006
34
                     but we already know about it
Jun 07th 2006
36
                          doc, did you see the film?
Jun 07th 2006
38
                          nope
Jun 07th 2006
40
                               maybe in a vacuum it would be ridiculous
Jun 07th 2006
41
                               I don't think further attatching the issue to a partisan
Jun 07th 2006
46
                                    I don't think
Jun 07th 2006
50
                                         I'm not deadset against it
Jun 07th 2006
52
                               aaaaaand scene.
Jun 07th 2006
43
                                    to be fair
Jun 07th 2006
45
                                    Is there a plot twist not covered in the trailer?
Jun 07th 2006
47
                                         not covered in the trailer:
Jun 07th 2006
48
                                         I might see it
Jun 07th 2006
53
                                         then don't go see it.
Jun 07th 2006
56
                          mainstream America has had their head in the sand for years.
Jun 07th 2006
42
                               The film was in the top 10 on opening weekend
Jun 07th 2006
44
          
RE: not very convincing.
Jun 06th 2006
30
lame.
Jun 06th 2006
16
      Yowzers. Well said.
Jun 07th 2006
68
You have actually seen the movie?
Jun 06th 2006
24
here's the website
Jun 06th 2006
28
i'm a real live Hollywood liberal. we get special treatment.
Jun 06th 2006
29
      i miss living in LA.
Jun 07th 2006
35
      why in THE HELL did you leave LA for the midwest?
Jun 07th 2006
49
           takin care of moms after pops died.
Jun 07th 2006
51
                respect.
Jun 20th 2006
82
      We do? Oh, yeah, we do!
Jul 17th 2006
84
I'm issuing a retraction
Jun 07th 2006
59
for the record, Gore is shown traveling on commercial airlines
Jun 07th 2006
60
Nader uses an ultralight
Jun 07th 2006
61
      For international travel?
Jun 07th 2006
62
           Bus?
Jun 07th 2006
63
                i just blow in the wind
Jun 07th 2006
64
                     ^^^^ wasting natural resources
Jun 07th 2006
66
                     RE: Dr.kNOw
Jun 08th 2006
73
damn you.
Jun 07th 2006
67
you know, im glad he raising awareness about global warming BUT
Jun 07th 2006
69
yeah, it was unfortunate
Jun 07th 2006
70
In fact, the reason I'm pretty clear that he's really out of politics
Jun 07th 2006
71
RE: In fact, the reason I'm pretty clear that he's really out of politic...
Jun 08th 2006
76
BUT you know...he did win.
Jun 07th 2006
72
Well, if he hadn't candy-assed it, stealing Florida wouldn't have matter...
Jun 08th 2006
77
he's all but admitted he made huge mistakes
Jun 08th 2006
74
Brilliant.
Jun 08th 2006
75
no offense to al gore, but the planet really doesn't stand a chance
Jun 09th 2006
78
see the movie
Jun 09th 2006
79
up
Jul 17th 2006
83

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