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20. "I wonder about the WWII movies that came out during the war"
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Or Vietnam movies that came out before the end of that war.

Issues seem clear at first, then they become muddled, then, in some instances, they become clear again -- clearly different than first thought.

An easy example: Did any of the early WWII movies touch on what our government knew about Japanese attack plans prior to Pearl Harbor? I'm sure they didn't cover the treatment of Japanese Americans immediately after.

People can make entertaining, compelling movies anytime the want. And when emotions are still raw and the issues are still fresh in people's minds, frankly, it's not the hardest thing to do, not for the talented. (Does anyone doubt that a story about individuals lost in this tragedy can be compelling?)

But perspectives change, often radically, from year to year after an event. People are caught up in whatever emotion is involved in the event, whether it's anger, grief or compassion. Very often, however, new, relevent information comes out much after the fact that changes how the people affected by the events feel about it.

I never doubted that Paul Greengrass or Oliver Stone could make an entertaining and compelling movie covering events surrounding 9/11. My problem with it is that I am not convinced that we, collectively, have made up our minds how we feel about what happened. Let's face it, we still don't *know* what happened. And that has nothing do with conspiracy theories. One only has to look at the recently concluded Moussaoui trial to understand this.

And it's not about a fear of overly patriotic propaganda. I would have as little faith in a movie lambasting the government for 9/11 as would in a late '60s anti-Vietnam movie.

Still, I feel one of the main reasons for these movies (and books) right now is the filmmaker's or writer's desire to tell "their side of the story." For example, I've read that the reason some the families of United 93 victims agreed to cooperate with filmmakers of the TV movie was because they wanted their story told. Can't really fault them for that, but their side of the story is necessarily an incomplete part of the whole picture.

Everyone fights to get their version of events out in the airwaves, in varying degrees, to influence the collective consciousness, to have their part of the story be part of the "official story." Not that anyone has any disingenuous motives, but it makes each individual story a little more suspect.

And now I am done rambling.

RED
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Get your panties in a bunch...again. Oliver Stone's WTC movie trailer [View all] , bignick, Wed May-17-06 10:46 AM
 
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At least it LOOKS more interesting than United 93.
May 17th 2006
1
I agree
May 17th 2006
10
uh..but after seeing 93, it will be hard to top.
May 21st 2006
45
that trailer suggests a weirdly sentimental view
May 17th 2006
2
I'll bite...Here's my issue
May 17th 2006
3
My question is what's the difference between this and, say
May 17th 2006
4
fiction/non-fiction?
May 17th 2006
5
Its a good question
May 17th 2006
6
      This film is based on the true story of two first responders.
May 17th 2006
7
           Right but its Oliver Stone...lol...fact = fiction=fact=fiction...
May 17th 2006
8
                I've read that the story is being told in a straightforward manner.
May 17th 2006
9
hmmm
May 17th 2006
11
      well I think you've nailed it
May 17th 2006
12
           i have beef with them acting like it's some kind of affront.
May 17th 2006
13
                this takes us back to the "too soon" debate, no?
May 17th 2006
14
                yeah. but, for me, there is no debate.
May 17th 2006
17
                     tell that to anyone that worked or STILL works downtown
May 27th 2006
49
                          and none of that makes it wrong to make a movie about it.
May 27th 2006
50
                I agree with this
May 17th 2006
15
I just don't think it'll be very good
May 17th 2006
16
^^^Probably the truest statement of this thread
May 17th 2006
18
JFK???
May 17th 2006
21
I really didn't like it all that much
May 17th 2006
23
If even then
May 17th 2006
22
cosign on both points
May 18th 2006
26
Natural Born Killers?
May 18th 2006
27
      Any Given Sunday wasn't that bad but it wasn't that good either
May 18th 2006
29
      RE: Natural Born Killers was TIGHT
May 19th 2006
33
Maria Bello and Maggie Gyllenhall, eff the rest of that noise
May 17th 2006
19
When I saw the title of the post I thought Stone was
May 17th 2006
24
nicholas's mustache.
May 18th 2006
25
RE: Get your panties in a bunch...again. Oliver Stone's WTC movie traile...
May 18th 2006
28
You may call it 'bullshit'...
May 18th 2006
30
looks very good
May 18th 2006
looks very good
May 18th 2006
31
I agree n/m
May 31st 2006
55
the thing about this and U93
May 19th 2006
32
so you're not gonna see it because of how someone else will react to it?
May 19th 2006
34
      well, I have no interest in seeing it.
May 19th 2006
43
           i can but that, but...
May 22nd 2006
48
                admittedly, that's overstating things
May 27th 2006
51
*SPOILER ALERT*
May 19th 2006
35
*ADDITIONAL SPOILERS*
May 19th 2006
36
      no they didn't silly...
May 21st 2006
46
why August 9th???
May 19th 2006
37
wrong.
May 19th 2006
38
      fake ass celebrity, Kate Hudson ass nugga
May 19th 2006
39
           ^^^panties are DEFINITELY in a bunch^^^
May 19th 2006
40
                ^^^wishes he was the famous Nick Adams^^^
May 19th 2006
41
                     ^^^still mad. still wrong^^^
May 19th 2006
42
looks pretty stupid n/m
May 20th 2006
44
I'll watch those movies
May 22nd 2006
47
how am I the first one to say.................
May 28th 2006
52
there's a fine line between art and propaganda.
May 28th 2006
53
"It's too soon" has jumped the shark
May 28th 2006
54

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