Printer-friendly copy Email this topic to a friend
Lobby Pass The Popcorn topic #748908

Subject: "Part Four: Fallen Jedi" Previous topic | Next topic
soulfunk
Charter member
11079 posts
Wed Sep-06-23 07:55 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
8. "Part Four: Fallen Jedi"
In response to In response to 0
Wed Sep-06-23 08:10 AM by soulfunk

  

          

I forgot to post last week for part 3, but that episode was essentially setup for this one. Part four was my favorite episode by far. Everything came together in terms of story, character development, and incredible action.

First - I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad that Marrok was just Marrok, and that we didn’t have to wait long to find that out. The fandom on YouTube, Reddit, Star Wars FB groups, etc. was going wild with all the theories of him being Ezra, Cal Kestis, Starkiller, etc. and none of those theories made any sense. I’m sick of mystery box storytelling leading to crazy theories, eventually leading to everyone looking for mystery boxes where there aren’t any. It was perfect that Marrok was just a nightsister magic-controlled being using Inquisitor armor.

The fights in this episode were all great. Everything was really well thought out. All of the stances used, the chess match of the Ahsoka/Balkan fight, the differences in style, the accurate power levels, Sabine learning a bit to be herself while still using her Jedi training, the dialog in between strikes, the stakes felt by each individual, this was all REALLY well done. Credit to Peter Ramsey who directed this.

This episode had some good foreshadowing in it too. You had Ahsoka setting up that at some point Sabine would need to make a choice to either save Ezra or stop Thrawn. I didn’t think that would come until down the road so I was surprised to see it happen in this same episode. Which brings me to …..

A TERRIBLE decision by Sabine. Actually multiple bad decisions. Because the other for shadowing was Huyang telling both of them to stay together before they left to go after the map. And Sabine told Ahsoka to leave while she was fighting Shin - likely because of pride - wanting to get Shin back from their first fight, and wanting to prove herself to Ahsoka. Then Sabine makes the terrible choice of not destroying the map when Ahsoka tells her. Then even after she sees Baylan potentially kill Ahsoka (of course she isn’t dead) Sabine STILL doesn’t destroy the map, and falls for his persuasion in giving it to him and going with them to the other galaxy.

All those decisions are especially bad because the entire reason Ezra is gone is because he chose to sacrifice himself to take Thrawn out of the picture. And now she’s potentially bringing Thrawn back to save him. Ezra would not want this at ALL.

That being said, Sabine’s bad decision(s) are perfect from a story perspective. Ahsoka wakes up in the World Between Worlds. When we were introduced to the WBW in Rebels it was essentially a place where anyone there would be tempted to make bad decisions just like Sabine. Undoing something that would end up having larger consequences. Ahsoka had to stop Ezra from doing this when he tried to go back into the past and save Kanan from dying. He reminded him that Kanan sacrificed himself to save the entire Ghost crew, and if Ezra reversed that then they’d all be dead. Ezra also saved Ahsoka from Vader when he first got there, but we don’t know what the consequences of that was. We don’t know what happened to Ahsoka afterwards, why she wasn’t in the original trilogy helping the Rebellion, why she left Sabine (possibly leading to Sabines family dying in the purge of Mandalore), etc. I’m guessing we’ll start to get SOME answers to that in the next episode with the cliffhanger of Anakin being in the WBW.

Off the rip I’ll tell you though - I don’t think things are what they seem in the WBW. You had the Imperial March start to play at the end. I’ll also have to rewatch (or check out a YouTube breakdown once those come out) but I’m pretty sure that Anakin had Darth Vader’s black lightsaber and not the Anakin saber at his side. He also said something like “didn’t expect to see you so soon”…I’m wondering if she was in the WBW that entire time since Ezra saved her. I also definitely think Ahsoka will be tempted in some way to use the WBW to “save” Anakin from turning to the dark side. Or maybe that’s something they already happened while she was stuck there.

Anyways - back to Sabine’s decision, from a story perspective I think it was perfect to have her make a bad good of the few/many choice that would be seen in the WBW, while being in the real world.

I definitely think Ahsoka will use the WBW to get to the other galaxy. In an earlier episode Morgan mention that they would need to travel across time and space to get to Thrawn. My guess is that because of the distance to another galaxy, there is a difference in how time passes. Like maybe for Ezra and Thrawn they’ve only been gone a year, while it’s been 9-10 years from the main galaxy’s perspective. The WBW could also be used to travel across space and time. Also when Ahsoka grabbed the map and burned herself, she may have gotten the information from the map through the force.

Baylan is absolutely my favorite character of this show so far. Ray’s acting is great, and this fight choreography is just perfect - he fights like a strong gladiator or ancient knight. His moves are so well thought out. The shot when he was precisely blocking Sabine’s blaster shots was incredibly. Also his character has just the right amount of mystery with us getting a little more information/context bit by bit. We know he was a Jedi. The episode title “Fallen Jedi” refers to both him AND Ahsoka. He was reluctant to even fight her (building on earlier when he said it would be a shame to have to kill a Jedi.) He’s teaching Shin as a padawan (with her padawan braid and his whole style of interacting with her being more Jedi master/padawan like vs. Sith/apprentice.) He seduced Sabine to get her to hand over the map, but I actually believe him on his word of her not being harmed (as long as she isn’t fighting them.) But at the same time, we saw him slauter those New Republic soldiers in the first episode. And he’s definitely using some dark side force traits. It is very interesting that he knows Anakin became Vader. How? Was he in the temple like Reva during Order 66? I think that’s the most plausible thing, or maybe he came back to the temple and saw the same security tapes that Yoda and Kenobi saw of Anakin killing younglings. What is Baylan’s motivation? Where was HE during the OT?

I’m really enjoying this show, but I’m also constantly wondering what people think who haven’t watched The Clone Wars and Rebels. Elements like the Purrgil and the WBW have got to be a bit confusing, not to mention all of the character elements from the past that then are impacting their decisions here. For example in Rebels both Ahsoka and Sabine were separately told by Ezra to promise that they’d come get him. Ahsoka when they were both in the WBW, and Sabine at the end before he made his sacrifice. Also the entire feel of these episodes is 100% like Rebels. Definitely felt that in episode 3 and 4 with Hera and Sabine/Ahsoka fighting on separate fronts, just like the Ghost crew in Rebels. I’m glad they aren’t dumbing this stuff down at all (beyond the first episode which HAD to set a few things up through dialog/exposition) but I know some folks gotta be confused. I know some of the fandom complaining about Rosario being to “stoic” where comparing her to young Ahsoka from TCW, and not grown Ahsoka from Rebels who had been through some serious trauma.

Edit: dang I wrote A LOT. Sorry for the long post.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote


Ahsoka (Filoni, 2023) [View all] , soulfunk, Tue Aug-22-23 08:13 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Part One: Master and Apprentice, Part Two: Toil and Trouble
Aug 23rd 2023
1
dope review
Sep 01st 2023
5
So.... the guy in the mask/helmet with Baylan and his "padwan"...
Aug 29th 2023
2
I REALLY hope it isn’t.
Aug 29th 2023
3
Yeah I don’t think its him either
Aug 29th 2023
4
highly unlikely
Sep 01st 2023
6
Sabine: Worst padawan EVER.
Sep 05th 2023
7
lol I know right?
Sep 06th 2023
9
      RE: SO MANY HOLES
Sep 06th 2023
12
      Regarding Hera and the hyperspace ring…
Sep 06th 2023
13
           The energy signature would have been the dead giveaway
Sep 08th 2023
15
                She did see the energy signature and called that they
Sep 08th 2023
16
      not quite done yet, but this is clearly Ahsoka's fault lol
Mar 09th 2024
62
I thjnk theres more to Marrok still just not
Sep 06th 2023
10
      Yeah I mentioned above that he was nightsister magic controlled.
Sep 06th 2023
11
I'm not a Star Wars guy. At all.
Sep 08th 2023
14
Yeah…I feel like the initial plan for Disney+ Star Wars was to
Sep 09th 2023
17
      I never understood the argument of people being lost
Sep 11th 2023
18
      This right here is key...
Sep 11th 2023
19
           The timeline is really the only part that keeps me confused.
Sep 12th 2023
21
                That's definitely understandable - especially with a character like
Sep 13th 2023
25
      I think you're really overestimating the importance of knowing any of th...
Sep 12th 2023
20
           You're absolutely right.
Sep 13th 2023
24
Part Five: Shadow Warrior
Sep 12th 2023
22
Incredible.
Sep 12th 2023
23
RE: Incredible.
Sep 13th 2023
26
      I agree with this. She was 14 at the beginning of TCW, and
Sep 14th 2023
27
Did you guys think it was worthy of being in movie theaters?
Sep 14th 2023
28
Honestly it’s a bit weird to me for any mid-season TV
Sep 14th 2023
29
With the writers and actors strike, I’m sure theaters will take
Sep 15th 2023
30
I would have loved to watch 4 & 5 on a theater screen!
Sep 15th 2023
31
Nah. It was good where it was at on Disney Plus.
Sep 17th 2023
34
I guess this may be becaus i have no knowledge of clone wars
Sep 15th 2023
32
This was a good episode.
Sep 17th 2023
33
Part 6: Far, Far Away
Sep 19th 2023
35
RE: Part 6: Far, Far Away
Sep 19th 2023
36
I loved this episode.
Sep 20th 2023
37
      RE: I loved this episode.
Sep 21st 2023
39
           Yeah. I think Filoni especially puts a lot of that thought into
Sep 21st 2023
40
                RE: Yeah. I think Filoni especially puts a lot of that thought into
Sep 22nd 2023
43
                     Something else was noticed regarding character names…
Sep 24th 2023
45
                          Star Wars Explained just posted a video explaining those names...
Sep 26th 2023
46
Nigga look like he been eating good during exile.
Sep 21st 2023
38
      Rim World Fried Chicken be delivering and he ain't goin say nothing
Sep 21st 2023
41
           Hahaha,
Sep 22nd 2023
42
                LMAO!!!
Sep 22nd 2023
44
Part 7: Dreams and Madness
Sep 26th 2023
47
Part 7: The Jedi, the Witch, and the Warlord
Oct 03rd 2023
48
Second watch (and that should say Part 8 above)...
Oct 04th 2023
49
Why can't Ahsoka ever just win a fight?
Oct 04th 2023
50
      Agreed...
Oct 04th 2023
51
           she did take out Morgans whole operation in about 20 mins of work
Mar 10th 2024
63
Are Nighttroopers a thing?
Oct 04th 2023
52
Specifically for troopers this is new. But reanimation isn’t new.
Oct 05th 2023
53
      That kinda makes sense
Oct 05th 2023
54
           I took it as Thrawn wanting them to know that the mission
Oct 05th 2023
55
                I think it was both. Since Thrawn specifically asked if
Oct 06th 2023
56
Interesting to see where it will go in season 2.
Oct 06th 2023
57
      No idea. They could take it either way.
Oct 06th 2023
58
i cant read anything written here bc i havent actually watched yet
Feb 22nd 2024
59
Welcome on board!
Feb 22nd 2024
60
      i started watching CW on DVDs from Blockbuster 😂
Feb 22nd 2024
61

Lobby Pass The Popcorn topic #748908 Previous topic | Next topic
Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.25
Copyright © DCScripts.com