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38. "If you've ever been a wine guy, Jadot is a GREAT Beaujolais"
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Mon Jan-30-23 02:57 AM by Nodima

  

          

I'll admit, when casting was announced this (Bill) was one of the ones I was actually most skeptical of, if only because a very accomplished HBO alum originated the role (W. Earl Brown) and I could still easily see him in this version of it but Offerman really, really nailed it. I also loved how much focus there was on establishing a sense of place and history here (in the game, it's known as Bill's Town and purely a trap laden stealth section) because if you're going to purposefully avoid a lot of the gameplay sections, it's nice to have a better sense of who these guys are.


Edit because I let the comparative mind take over: Murray Bartlett and Nick Offerman delivered a beautiful story about appreciating the little pleasures of being alive choosing optimism over bitterness, and I get why the non-player viewers have been so taken with this episode. It's an episode that could totally stand on its own with or without the show buttressing it and evinces why these post apocalypse, zombie adjacent narratives have amassed such power in this pre-dystopian moment we envision ourselves living in.


Bill & Frank is a great reminder that even surrounded by loss and pain, even just one person can make it all acceptable and even background noise.


-----GAME STUFF BELOW-----



That being said, Joel and Bill have a really interesting rapport in the game and it's through that relationship that Ellie starts to get a better read on who Joel is, and what the people outside the QZ might mostly be like. Originally, this is where the battery comes into play, as Bill owns a truck and knows where a battery is and the three of them go on a mini adventure to get the truck running.

Narratively, that's a pretty big change, but in terms of characterization the letter Bill writes to Joel contains a decent chunk of a letter Joel finds in Bill's house. However, in the game that letter is from Frank to Bill, alongside a hanging Frank who committed suicide after an apparent argument between him and Bill. It's one of the more artfully subtle moments in the game but I think they repurposed it pretty craftily.

It would have been nice to see these versions of Ellie and Bill have some kind of interaction because they have SUCH different views of the world's past and future in the game, but removed from the fan lens this episode runs perpendicular to the first in that it takes some very explicit detours from the game and makes the show all the better for it. Bill's story in the game is mostly about survivalism and paranoia, with Frank a literally specter in his living room, which is maybe a little too dark for a 9 episode week to week blockbuster drama.


-----NO MORE GAME STUFF-----


I'm now officially purely stoked to see what they do and don't bring over from the game going forward.

Posting this outside of game related because it has nothing to do with the narrative but I do love the contrast between the Linda Ronstadt song Joel and Ellie listen to in the truck as they hit the highway in the show and the Hank Williams song they listen to in the game.

Game (there's a hard cut to this song, but I can't find anyone identifying the first song they play, so) - Hank Williams' "Alone and Forsaken" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIuRHp0gxAY

Show - Linda Ronstadt "Long Long Time" (with an emphasis on the "love will abide, take things in stride" opening line) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIuRHp0gxAY

I'll really enjoy if the show continues to have this sort of subtle, metatextual conversation with its source material.

As a totally random musical aside, I felt like if I were the musical director of this show I'd have argued so hard for Jessica Pratt's "Back, Baby" to play over the credits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHwq8AUOCc8



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The Last of Us (HBO, 2023) [View all] , will_5198, Mon Jan-16-23 12:34 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
I get to be a "book reader" this time!
Jan 16th 2023
1
they changed this bc of covid
Jan 16th 2023
4
I noticed this
Jan 16th 2023
11
      We’ve come a long way since DOOM
Jan 17th 2023
12
           tbf
Jan 17th 2023
16
Pedro Pascal is the hardest working man in Hollywood right now
Jan 16th 2023
2
Never played the games but Ellie is mad annoying in that ep
Jan 16th 2023
3
They might've gotten a little too clever with this, too
Jan 18th 2023
18
ha, her character bugged me too
Feb 25th 2023
79
the game was just a TV show with dogshit interactive sequences
Jan 16th 2023
5
It changed my breathing in a few spots.
Jan 16th 2023
6
Yup
Jan 16th 2023
9
the teenage girl made me so mad when she went outside
Jan 25th 2023
32
loooved the game, was psyched for this
Jan 16th 2023
7
Thought it was dope. Getting amazing reviews so far.
Jan 16th 2023
8
Great first ep.Love the logic behind the outbreak
Jan 16th 2023
10
Yeah that opening studio scene was really good.
Jan 17th 2023
13
Hate for it to become political, but the anti-government folks are going
Jan 17th 2023
14
Huge fan of both games....
Jan 17th 2023
15
daaaayyyum....!!!
Jan 17th 2023
17
Intense, legitamately scary, well acted.
Jan 18th 2023
19
I really enjoyed it
Jan 18th 2023
20
nice Depeche drop
Jan 19th 2023
21
2-2. Great start
Jan 23rd 2023
22
well that was BRISK.
Jan 23rd 2023
23
I'm feeling like there should be more FEDRA involvement
Jan 23rd 2023
26
      It seems like FEDRA is content being dictators in the QZ
Jan 23rd 2023
27
2nd ep was a lot better
Jan 23rd 2023
24
100%
Jan 23rd 2023
25
i thought they were both very good
Jan 25th 2023
31
Just read a pretty cool theory after Episode 2
Jan 24th 2023
28
Nice.
Jan 25th 2023
30
Anyone notice in Ep1, a few of people in the QZ
Jan 24th 2023
29
I’m captivated and locked in but this shit makes me itch.
Jan 28th 2023
33
^^^^^infected!!
Jan 28th 2023
34
*dead*
Jan 30th 2023
36
Wow
Jan 29th 2023
35
This episode was great, it was one of the best hours of TV I’ve seen
Jan 30th 2023
37
I haven’t been this emotional since The Walking Dead (TellTale game)
Jan 30th 2023
39
This is an interesting response.
Jan 30th 2023
41
      I’ve only played the intro to the remastered TLoU.
Jan 30th 2023
43
           The storylines and graphics for the first game
Feb 21st 2023
76
                I really hope they make major changes to the storyline for the second
Feb 21st 2023
77
                     Since you played both games, I'll ask you.
Mar 17th 2023
109
                          I'd wager you'd have a slightly more negative reaction than I did.
Mar 18th 2023
110
                               To shed more clarity on why I disliked the second game
Mar 20th 2023
113
                                    I haven't played either game, but after watching this full season
Mar 20th 2023
115
I’d like my final glass of wine less chalky please
Jan 30th 2023
40
man that was boring as hell
Jan 30th 2023
42
Yeah this show really isn't doing it for me.
Jan 30th 2023
44
Amazing episode. Nick Offerman killed it.
Jan 30th 2023
45
Same
Jan 31st 2023
46
Great episode
Jan 31st 2023
47
The window shots are simple but so emblematic of the series
Jan 31st 2023
50
Gay Ron Swanson gotta be one of the most secure apocalypse buddies ever
Jan 31st 2023
48
If I had to live through an apocalypse
Jan 31st 2023
49
facts
Feb 01st 2023
52
wow
Feb 01st 2023
51
Next weeks ep is gonna be a tough one...
Feb 06th 2023
53
Mostly just game comparison stuff in this one
Feb 06th 2023
54
Ep 5 drops on Friday
Feb 09th 2023
55
Episode 5 (spoilers)
Feb 11th 2023
56
You knew it was going to happen…
Feb 11th 2023
57
Can’t say I would behave any differently.
Feb 11th 2023
58
at least all the sad parts are out of the way now!
Feb 12th 2023
59
More spoilers
Feb 14th 2023
66
These eps are FUCKING GUT WRENCHING
Feb 15th 2023
67
Man...
Feb 13th 2023
60
RE: Man...
Feb 13th 2023
61
Oh, 100%. A master class in world building.
Feb 14th 2023
62
Great Casting as well
Feb 14th 2023
63
I didn't know the actor who plays Henry.
Feb 14th 2023
64
This has been an interesting conversation to see come up
Feb 15th 2023
68
5 for 5 so far
Feb 14th 2023
65
they should've saved ep 5 for this week
Feb 15th 2023
69
Dark weeks, especially on shows like this, are killers
Feb 15th 2023
70
This was a wild departure!
Feb 20th 2023
71
I initially disliked this change here but.....
Feb 20th 2023
72
I know nothing about the source material but
Feb 21st 2023
73
yes...
Feb 21st 2023
74
I doubt Joel dies since this has been renewed for season 2
Feb 21st 2023
75
last of us? more like This Is Us
Feb 24th 2023
78
Flashback, filler episode
Feb 27th 2023
80
Not a filler. It's a part of the actual game.
Feb 28th 2023
81
      Games have filler too.
Feb 28th 2023
82
      hm touché
Mar 01st 2023
85
      I know that it’s part of the game but it still felt like a filler epis...
Feb 28th 2023
83
           RE: I know that it’s part of the game but it still felt like a filler ...
Feb 28th 2023
84
           Is "moving the story forward" a new thing in the streaming era?
Mar 01st 2023
86
           This love experience is a MASSIVE part of her backstory.
Mar 01st 2023
88
                didnt get any if that from the ep
Mar 01st 2023
89
Can we get a little bit more of the infected is my only gripe
Mar 01st 2023
87
hands insde, weve reached Sopranos nobody got capped territory
Mar 08th 2023
96
episode 8 should have been stretched over two episodes
Mar 06th 2023
90
Agreed. I thought it was really good
Mar 06th 2023
91
Yeah I would agree with that
Mar 06th 2023
92
Religious folks that be on bullshit…
Mar 06th 2023
93
yall would complain it didnt need 2 lol
Mar 16th 2023
107
could have plenty of gamer notes for this one, BUT
Mar 08th 2023
94
*I'll pop your knee cap off* is some gangsta sh*t
Mar 08th 2023
95
coming back to this
Mar 10th 2023
98
geezus that was amazing..Ellie is a trip
Mar 09th 2023
97
I firmly believe this should've had a normal 10-12 episode run.
Mar 13th 2023
99
the game really ended like that? Naughty Dog was on one
Mar 13th 2023
100
      RE: the game really ended like that? Naughty Dog was on one
Mar 14th 2023
102
      ^THIS^... for most people that played the game those doctors & nurses...
Mar 14th 2023
103
      I agree with this. I feel like the show started strong and faded down
Mar 14th 2023
104
           It kinda dumped a whole lot of ideas on the floor like Anna did Ellie
Mar 14th 2023
105
           They sent so much time on backstories and flashbacks
Mar 15th 2023
106
as someone who didnt play the game i dont get the hype with the show.
Mar 14th 2023
101
Played the game for the 1st time and watched the show in sync. Show >>>
Mar 17th 2023
108
Interesting!
Mar 19th 2023
111
      Higher highs.
Mar 20th 2023
114
Binged this over the weekend. Loved it.
Mar 20th 2023
112

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