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14. "I don't see much of a defense there. "
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You're mostly just saying "hey, it's not so bad!", which is a less than moving defense.

At any rate... DOFP and Apocalypse are trash.

I shit on DOFP at the time and I don’t recall being alone, so I don’t know where “retroactive” comes in.

Apocalypse doubled down on everything bad about DOFP.

But that’s not even why it’s a dumpster fire of a franchise.

First, they’ve overplayed their strength. They’ve continually focused WAY too much on Mag & Xavier. WAY too much. Yes, those obnoxious caps are necessary. It’s been the Logan, Erik & Chuck show since the beginning and they’ve done very little to make other characters’ matter. The only other character given as much significance as them?
Fucking Mystique.

Jean was basically just Logan’s love interest in the og trilogy. Ice Man? Don’t make me laugh. His “big moment” was a generic beam battle where he turned into a block of ice. Storm, the goddess, just looks up into the sky in a trance. Rogue was aight but they didn’t need Ms Marvel to make her *thee* Rogue we all know and love. DOFP was the absolute worst in this regard. Bishop was basically worthless in a movie that should have given him more- and more important- screen time than anyone else.

Sure, we’ve had some great fan service along the way. X2 gave us stellar performances of Beast and Nightcrawler. Quicksilver is easily one of the best heroes we’ve seen across the entire superhero movie landscape during the last five years. We got a Deadpool movie that turned out to be one of the best love letters to a comic book character that we’ve seen on film. Deadpool, Magneto, Xavier, and Logan were cast nearly without flaw and I only say “nearly” to be diplomatic.

First Class was an excellent reboot before they went all MORE COWBELL! On us.

For a franchise that came with a treasure trove of world-building ingredients of a seemingly “just add water” variety, they’ve dropped the ball and lowered the bar to “it makes money, so fuck it” levels that are currently surpassed only by Paramount’s live action animation adaptions. Plus they did head-scratching shit like cast the goofiest looking, Stifler-faced guy possible as Stryker. Yeah, I found it really fucking distracting because I kept waiting for him to say “what the fuck are you guys doing here?”

With such a deep roster and history it shouldn’t have been a thing to create separate films for other characters, hero and villain alike, turning X-Men films into collective culminations of smaller, more focused stories. The over-emphasis on Logan/Magneto/Charles/Mystique over the course of 6 films coupled with the treatment of most other characters as cameos as well as the painfully bland execution of villains WHO SHOULD BE GREAT has brought this whole thing down to a merely passing grade for mindless summer blockbusters. I don’t even want to speculate on who does what, where, when, why or how.

Meanwhile I’m suddenly salivating for Justice League to see how Diana functions as a leader and how Bruce is able to recruit Aquaman and Cyborg with his asshole persona.

I want to see how the Guaradians of The Galaxy have grown as individuals as well as a ragtag family of misfits. I want to see if Teen Groot is a snarky, arrogant asshole or an angsty, overly philosophical douchebag and I want to see how pulls that off saying three words. I want to see if Rocket has finally accepted himself, if Drax falls in love with Mantis despite finding her physically repulsive, and Adam Fucking Warlock. I want to see Howard the Duck again.

I can’t wait for Ragnorak because I NEED to see how Thor gets fucked up and how he & Hulk/Bruce interact and get the hell off that planet. I want to see Thor’s reaction to seeing Hulk again even though I’ve seen it ten times in the trailer already.

And on, and on, and on.

I feel absolutely none of that exuberance or intrigue with the X-Men because it’s become such a predictable, paint by numbers affair in a bad way. The issue isn’t that it’s formulaic, Hell, all these movies are formulaic. It’s that the formula just kind of sucks and they haven’t earned an ounce of excitement or affection for anyone at this stage. Scratch that; Quicksilver was a goddamned revelation and yes, the promise of something creative and hilarious involving him does something to elevate things. But after that? I can’t think of a single character I care about. I can’t think of a single thread of this saga that I can’t wait to see unfold. There’s no mystery to unravel and nobody to fall in love with.

It’s got nothing to do with timelines, though that doesn’t help.
It’s certainly not because they’re not Marvel- but the lack of well-constructed connectedness IS a glaring flaw.

It’s because they’ve rested on the strength of well-casted leads for far too long and not only haven’t developed anyone else, they’ve basically plucked the same notes with each of them without much variation. ***Logan is the exception there. That’s something that would have covered for an awful lot of lack in other departments.

  

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X-Men: Dark Phoenix (Simon Kinberg, 2018) [View all] , bwood, Wed Jun-14-17 12:45 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Jessica Chastain don't deserve this shit
Jun 14th 2017
1
NOPE. She signed on. She's absolutely deserving.
Jun 14th 2017
3
This will be trash.
Jun 14th 2017
2
I have no faith in Simon Kinberg...
Jun 14th 2017
4
      I never understood why they gave Mystique any screen time at all
Jun 14th 2017
5
im with it.
Jun 14th 2017
6
They have no respect for the source material
Jun 14th 2017
7
for fuck sake
Jun 14th 2017
8
Seems like they're rushing to make it.
Jun 15th 2017
9
just blow it up and don't touch it for five years
Jun 15th 2017
10
Too much Mystique, she ain't really that important
Jun 15th 2017
11
*sigh* Alright, well, I'll defend this then...
Jun 15th 2017
12
DOFP had its detractors at the time
Jun 15th 2017
13
And they have nothing new to add to Charles/Magneto
Jun 15th 2017
15
To add to both of your points
Jun 15th 2017
16
First Class has grown on me a bit
Jun 15th 2017
18
      And that's another problem. Quanitity over quality
Jun 15th 2017
19
Yep. I don't think they've advanced that narrative at all.
Jun 15th 2017
17
Valid points, and much better explained than others I've heard.
Jun 15th 2017
20
Y'all gotta stop with the bias bullshit
Jun 15th 2017
22
      We'll stop when it stops being a thing.
Jun 15th 2017
23
      Should've known you'd come in here with this shit
Jun 15th 2017
24
           RE: Should've known you'd come in here with this shit
Jun 20th 2017
31
      Maybe, but I only hated 2 movies, see above.
Jun 16th 2017
26
https://media.tenor.com/images/547931dce5ae02e83f58146f07509b0b/tenor.gi...
Jun 15th 2017
25
nah more than 2 of them joints suck
Jun 15th 2017
21
there are only 3/4 stinkers in the x-men franchise
Jun 17th 2017
27
      I don't understand the first class love
Jun 19th 2017
29
           The major failure of FC to me was the follow up
Jun 19th 2017
30
So Fox retconned Phoenix from X-Men 3
Jun 18th 2017
28
the people who claim x-men films are well-liked are so weird to me
Jun 20th 2017
32
yeah....these last few were immediately forgettable.
Jun 24th 2017
33
RE: the people who claim x-men films are well-liked are so weird to me
Jul 04th 2017
35
      Logan is an X-Man, but is "Logan" an X-Men movie???
Jul 04th 2017
36
      so, when you were done cherry picking examples
Jul 04th 2017
37
           It's not cherry picking when he posted the most recent x-men films
Jul 05th 2017
39
           RE: so, when you were done cherry picking examples
Jul 05th 2017
41
                there seems to be a miscommunication
Jul 15th 2017
44
Looks like Magneto is gonna be doing the same shit he's been doing
Jul 04th 2017
34
Why not make an R-rated Magneto flick?
Jul 05th 2017
38
that's a really cool idea
Jul 05th 2017
40
      They've literally tried this already
Jul 05th 2017
42
           RE: They've literally tried this already
Jul 11th 2017
43
                1st Class was 1st Class...
Mar 30th 2018
64
I told y'all Simon Kinberg was wrong for this.
Aug 30th 2017
45
I'm the biggest defender of these movies...
Aug 31st 2017
46
RE: I told y'all Simon Kinberg was wrong for this.
Dec 07th 2017
49
There was never anything right about it. It was always going to be trash...
Dec 07th 2017
50
First look at the film.
Dec 07th 2017
47
boring
Dec 07th 2017
48
      RE: Villians
Dec 07th 2017
51
      if they can do a good Thanos anything is possible
Dec 08th 2017
53
           you think so?
Dec 08th 2017
54
      I'm content with Logan being the end of that universe.....
Dec 08th 2017
52
This bullshit got pushed back
Mar 27th 2018
55
either it's getting canned or they're retooling it for the MCU
Mar 27th 2018
56
Way I look at it is this.
Mar 27th 2018
57
That's an excellent point
Mar 27th 2018
58
I'm literally laughing out loud at this... this shit not being retooled ...
Mar 28th 2018
61
Reason for delay. (partial swipe)
Mar 27th 2018
60
      They won't hear you, tho.
Mar 30th 2018
63
LMAO. This shit is trash and that was apparent from jump.
Mar 27th 2018
59
phoenix is one of my favorite story lines
Mar 29th 2018
62
Ding dong the witch is dead!!!
Apr 30th 2018
65
Am I the only one who doesn't want the Xmen in the MCU?
Apr 30th 2018
66
a couple of years ago i would've been with you
Apr 30th 2018
67
Not right now, at least.
Apr 30th 2018
68
You're not.
May 01st 2018
70
So this means...
May 01st 2018
69
that leaked trailer on reddit looks bad
Sep 26th 2018
71
Looks like a standard X-Men movie. If you're already on board with those...
Sep 26th 2018
72
      it looks like Apocalypse pt 2
Sep 26th 2018
73
Trailer niggas
Sep 27th 2018
74
i care (c) luke
Sep 27th 2018
75
why are they doing this.
Sep 27th 2018
76
So now SHi'ar, no Lilandra?
Sep 27th 2018
77
Like I said up there^^^ I enjoy these more than not, BUT...
Sep 27th 2018
78
I'm going to see it, but it looks like garbage
Sep 27th 2018
79
Keep Evan, Sansa can go too.
Sep 27th 2018
80
Trash...Glass in theaters 1-18-19
Sep 28th 2018
81
Release date moved from Feb 14 to June 7.
Sep 28th 2018
82
Dark Phoenix | Official Trailer
Feb 28th 2019
83
better than the other trailers but . . .
Feb 28th 2019
84
None of this looks *bad* to me.
Feb 28th 2019
85
this looks like dookie
Feb 28th 2019
86
Its Dark! I'm upset!
Feb 28th 2019
87
Not a fan of the trailer
Feb 28th 2019
88
Haven't seen it, but I know it's absolute trash
Feb 28th 2019
89
I kind of like the trailer but I have no interest in this
Feb 28th 2019
90
Dark Phoenix | Final Trailer
Apr 17th 2019
91
im surprised j law is still showing up for these things.
Apr 17th 2019
92
      she never had a problem phoning in a performance.
Apr 17th 2019
93
           Ha!
Jun 11th 2019
99
Saw this shit Monday night.
Jun 05th 2019
94
Cotdamn. This shit hella flopped.
Jun 10th 2019
95
I think New Mutants was shelved altogether
Jun 11th 2019
96
      The official word was that New Mutants will be released April 3, 2020
Jun 11th 2019
97
It's just as bad as the last couple.
Jun 11th 2019
98
dogshit
Jun 18th 2019
100
Back In 2017 I Was Hyped, But In 2019 This Was A Disaster
Aug 16th 2019
101

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