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18. "Numbers ain't nuthin' but a number"
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Mon Apr-12-10 12:01 AM by buckshot defunct

  

          

>I can remember when just about ALL the Marvel and DC titles
>were like that: settled in, allowed to age and not constantly
>subjected to "reboots" and zero-issues. Where have those days
>gone?

What's funny is that the new hot gimmick is to un-reboot titles to switch back to their original, larger numberings. Captain America jumped from issue #50 to #600, because somebody crunched some numbers and realized that's how many issues of Captain America had been printed since that time he punched Hitler. I guess studies have shown that the number 600 is more marketable than the number 51.

Fantastic Four pulled the same stunt for what became its 500th issue (the month before that? Issue 70 came out)

Since you were there looking for recent issues of long running titles, I'm assuming you're aware of that trend already, but I just figured I'd throw that out there.


>Honestly, I blame the big "events": "Crisis," "Zero Hour,"
>"Secret Wars," "Civil War," the death of Superman and the
>like. It was only after you started seeing these huge,
>sweeping events that a serious case of A.D.D. clearly hit the
>industry.

Yeah but the readers share some of that blame too - If you look at the sales figures, it's the same for very damn book (with the exception of The Walking Dead and maybe 3 others) Every month is a steady decline. First issues are always huge, then every month a title will shed readers no matter how good it might be. What the market seems to be saying is that they can't 'BE STILL'. So give the people what they want, right?

I mean think about it - you're at the register and suddenly you're hit by the crushing realization that you've bought 200+ straight issues of The Avengers. You'd probably kill yourself, or worse, stop reading comics. By breaking it up like they do, you rarely buy more than 50 of anything... Or so it seems.


>I flipped to the back of one book and saw that they're
>starting the Flash over. AGAIN. FOR WHAT?

Because the last reboot sucked mad balls


>One given superteam, eight hundred different storylines to try
>and follow. Then it's over in a year, and here they come with
>Issue Zero again? Spinoffs and spinoffs of spinoffs all over
>the damn stands--it's too confusing. Current readers: How do
>y'all keep up and make the room in your lives for this mess?

You just kind of get used to it, I guess. For me personally, I follow the writers/artists moreso than I follow characters/titles, so I bounce when they bounce.

Plus, those long running titles tend not to be the best stuff on the shelves, imo. See lonesome_d's recommendations above.

>Okay, that's it.

Okay, goodnight...

>No, that's NOT it:

OH SNAP

>Once upon a time, when these stories would make their way to
>visual media, the origins and characteristics of certain
>characters were CANON. They were CONSISTENT with what you read
>in the books (and I'll even give the assorted "Superfriends"
>shows credit for that, to a degree). NOW, though?--I can't
>deal with eight or nine different Batmans. The progression
>onscreen from Caped Crusader (see: the 60's TV series and all
>the cartoons leading up to the animated series of the 90's) to
>Dark Knight worked out--then, they went and clowned THAT up! A
>bunch of non-canon one-offs and "what-if" scenarios. ONE
>BATMAN AT A TIME, DAMN!

Batman's tricky because at any given moment there's like 50 Batman books on the shelf, and most of them don't even try to pretend to be canon. I don't feel like the "core" titles are all that disjointed at the moment, but to be honest there's only one that I've been paying attention to.

>And the Ultimates. Fuck them, seriously.
>
>One book, one movie, ONE FUCKING STORY for each character and
>each team. Damn all this alternate-reality shit. I thought the
>"Crisis" was designed to solve problems like this, but here we
>go again, I suppose.

Yeah I don't think Crisis had anything to do with The Ultimates.

And yeah, the 'Ultimate Universe' as a whole did get a little bit muddled over time. But 'The Ultimates' itself? Like, the Millar/Hitch title? Fucking greatness. Sometimes you gotta stop sweating what's "canon" and just appreciate a book for what it is.

>I'd like your input on this. No Twitter-shit, either...gimme
>some complete sentences.

brb

  

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A general gripe about Marvel and DC comics today. [View all] , DarkStar, Sun Apr-11-10 05:53 PM
 
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ultimately, the majors are about their money
Apr 11th 2010
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I get that they've gotta keep it fresh.
Apr 11th 2010
2
      yeah, i feel what you're saying
Apr 11th 2010
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           There are children in Ethiopia starving for paper.
Apr 11th 2010
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                I'm glad I skimmed over this
Apr 11th 2010
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I also revisited the comic shop recently
Apr 11th 2010
3
I know--I'm like, 'Really?'
Apr 11th 2010
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      RE: I know--I'm like, 'Really?'
Apr 11th 2010
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This occured to me, as well:
Apr 11th 2010
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the zombies shit completely eludes me
Apr 11th 2010
7
I'm hip.
Apr 11th 2010
9
couldn't disagree more
Apr 12th 2010
24
RE: This occured to me, as well:
Apr 12th 2010
25
"DarkStar of Earth.... you have great rage in your heart..."
Apr 11th 2010
10
Nope. Sorry.
Apr 11th 2010
11
      Well, shit, then come whine on THESE.
Apr 11th 2010
12
I'm sorry, but this image is cracking me up
Apr 11th 2010
13
honestly, I came late to comics, and I don't really care
Apr 11th 2010
15
Complete cosign on ASM. n/m
Apr 11th 2010
17
^^ Almost too much truth
Apr 11th 2010
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and again, my theory: all the best Lessonaires read comics.
Apr 11th 2010
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I am inherently insulted.
Apr 12th 2010
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      *blink*
Apr 13th 2010
30
           sorry, D.
Apr 14th 2010
31
And on the opposite end of that....
Apr 12th 2010
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I definitely favor reboots.
Apr 12th 2010
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While reboots don't bother me, but I am growing tired of major events
Apr 12th 2010
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Thank you all for at least TRYING to take me seriously.
Apr 12th 2010
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It wasn't easy, but you're welcome
Apr 13th 2010
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the comics readers in COTW are about the nicest guys on OKP
Apr 13th 2010
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