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Acting was pretty great. It could get a little heavy handed at times, and I can't see that 15 degree camera tilt without thinking about the 60s Batman TV show, but no major complaints.

Meryl Streep killed it. From the very beginning of the film, even before the drama with PSH gets rolling, she owns every scene she's in. Not a likable character necessarily, but not the 'villain' I went in expecting her to be. She obviously cares about the church, her sisters, and those kids, and ultimately isn't afraid to be the big scary principal that all the kids hate and fear if it's for (what she perceives to be) their own good. Out of all the characters in the film, she seems the only one willing to sacrifice her self for her beliefs. The problem there is she isn't afraid to sacrifice others too, and her beliefs might not be all that solid to begin with.

But as for the 'doubts' she mentions at the end of the film (btw I agree they could have done without her actually shouting the title of the movie there) I don't think that they had a thing to do with the priest, at least not consciously. I think the doubts she deals with are in her faith and in the church. We're talking about a woman who thinks ball point pens and Frosty the Snowman spell the downfall of civilization - Not exactly the outlook of a person who has thrown their faith into an all powerful all loving God, you know?

Meanwhile you have this likable, charismatic priest who has a warm personable attitude and these progressive views that make him easier to relate to. But, I could also see how a guy like that could be very manipulative if he wanted to be - like showing the pressed flowers to Sister James. Was that sincere or was he just trying to look good? You'd see how he'd behave quite differently depending on what company he was in, which I think we all do to a degree, but that made him a lot harder to pin down than Sister Aloysius. Like Sister James I wanted him to be innocent. I do think there were subtle things in his body language that had me thinking otherwise (saying "no" while nodding "yes" for example, during that heated ass scene that leads to his resignation) At the same time, doing things like openly hugging a male student in a crowded hallway - while unacceptable by today's standards - doesn't seem like the actions of a man who had anything inappropriate to hide.

It's interesting that before any allegations some into play (and I went into the movie having no idea what it was about), I was slightly uncomfortable at the sight of a priest and an altar boy alone together. Nothing inappropriate was taking place on screen, or even in the subtext necessarily, but I guess the real life scandals that have come to light in the past years have painted my own perceptions. Even though this movie takes place in the 60s, I got the impression aht Sister Aloyisus had at some point seen some scandals of her own which tainted her worldview too.

The big strength of the writing was how masterfully ambiguous it was. Every line of dialogue, every facial expression, every action was open to interpretation.

Father Flynn had something in his past that was haunting him, likely to do with his sexuality. It seemed like a strong possibility that he was gay, NOT a pedophile, which could also explain why he would relate to Donald Miller and want to watch out for him. And maybe he only resigned to get away from crazy ass Sister Aloysius. Or hell, maybe he really was messing with those kids. Guess we'll just have to wait for the sequel.

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DOUBT [View all] , queenisisdivine, Fri Dec-26-08 09:05 PM
 
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RE: DOUBT
Dec 27th 2008
1
tuesday
Dec 27th 2008
2
I cracked up at the little kid doin the mashed potatoes
Dec 28th 2008
3
That was funny.
Dec 28th 2008
7
Really solid, if unspectacular flick (SPOILERS)
Dec 28th 2008
4
RE: Really solid, if unspectacular flick (SPOILERS)
Dec 28th 2008
9
an absolute acting clinic by all three main actors...
Dec 28th 2008
5
Yes!
Dec 28th 2008
8
The acting was phenomenal, but I still found the film problematic
Dec 28th 2008
6
What was the film's overall message?
Dec 28th 2008
10
      Well ****SPOILERS, obviously****
Dec 28th 2008
11
           I disagree with ever sentance you wrote.
Dec 28th 2008
12
           Well, that's just a shame
Dec 28th 2008
14
                Yes, obviously SHE endorses those things...not the film though.
Dec 28th 2008
16
                     But the film was saying being resistant to chace is okay...
Dec 28th 2008
20
                          i don't think anyone agrees with your analysis
Jan 04th 2009
35
                          lol
Jan 05th 2009
36
                          I don't particularly care if anyone agrees with me or not
Jan 05th 2009
38
                          The last line of the film...
Jan 06th 2009
41
                               RE: The last line of the film...
Jan 06th 2009
42
                                    Okay, now that I've seen this, I'm ready. *puts in mouthguard*
Jan 06th 2009
43
           Why do you feel the film endorsed those things?
Dec 28th 2008
13
           RE: Why do you feel the film endorsed those things?
Dec 28th 2008
15
                Streep's character was scared of change, but the film wasn't.
Dec 28th 2008
17
                     True.
Dec 28th 2008
18
                     RE: Streep's character was scared of change, but the film wasn't.
Dec 28th 2008
19
           I'm sorry, my dude, but I think you missed it.
Dec 29th 2008
22
           You're 100% accurate
Dec 29th 2008
24
           ^^^ The response I was looking for.
Dec 29th 2008
25
           I can only speak on my own interpretations of what I saw
Dec 29th 2008
26
                I think you're almost there, but you're still missing it.
Dec 30th 2008
28
           ^^watched a different movie
Dec 30th 2008
27
                lol
Jan 05th 2009
37
i enjoyed it. *spoilers*
Dec 29th 2008
21
Sparked some excellent drive home discussion
Dec 29th 2008
23
Absolutely brilliant script and performances
Dec 30th 2008
29
LOL! I didn't want to mention it, fam
Dec 30th 2008
30
      After he aint throw a hissy-fit with arms flailing after *spoiler*......
Dec 31st 2008
31
      He did look EXACTLY like Andrew Bynum.
Jan 06th 2009
44
RE: DOUBT
Dec 31st 2008
32
great story.
Jan 01st 2009
33
RE: Belief Systems Shattered
Jan 02nd 2009
34
this is movie is great and leaves for great discussion...
Jan 05th 2009
39
I'll talk more later, but it's great.
Jan 06th 2009
40
Solid, but not great.
Jan 29th 2009
45
the last line bothered me, too
Feb 02nd 2009
46
the acting in this movie is AMAZING
Feb 02nd 2009
47
I wasnt feelin (no pun) PSH as the priest @ 1st but he killed it
Feb 03rd 2009
48
Strongest film of the year
Feb 08th 2009
49
      i thought this was much better than the reader
Feb 08th 2009
50
Doubt 2: Doubt Harder
Jul 11th 2009
52
most gangsterest nun ever
Jan 01st 2010
53
it was okay.
Jan 01st 2010
54

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