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39. "aight, the reasons...."
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Americans, on a whole, are very purtianical psychologically...

Morally, we seem to have a split personality...we are openly fascinated with sex and violence but at the same time have ridiculously staunch judgmental standards...

We flock to movies, television, and music that peddle sex and violence in copious amounts but when it happens in real life we see it in a very black and white way...we are outraged by the baring of Janet Jackson's breast and we cant handle the sight of a penis(it must NEVER be erect)on-screen but we love to strip our vixens and consume pornography in enormous amounts...we vehemently condemn people who indulge in certain behaviors and chalk it up to a defect in their humanity...

As far as The Wire is concerned, it looks at crime and violence in an entirely different way than we are used to....the lines are very blurred...some of the "good guys"(cops, politicians)are just as morally bankrupt, if not MORESO than the "bad guys"(drug dealers, addicts, thieves)...

so far, the most morally upstanding person on the show is Omar(a vicious stick up artists and homosexual), the most intellectual person on the show was Stringer Bell(a drug kingpin), the most diplomatic person was Prop Joe(also a drug kingpin), and the kindest person on the show is Bubbles(a heroin addict)...

the most vile people on the show are people like Rawls, Burrell, Valchek, Landsman, Royce, etc...all public servants...

Pearlman carries on affairs with married men...Greggs shuns her parental responsibility and cheats on her partner...McNulty is a womanizer and heavy drinker...so on and so on....the LEAST capable officer in the bunch is a young white man(Prez)...

Americans need CLEAR and distinct denotation of who is "good" and who is "bad" in their entertainment....which is why most characters in film and TV are archetypes and/or caricatures...and when the ideas about who is "good" and "bad" are blurred--much like they are in real life--its hard to swallow for alot of people...

we need bad guys to be completely rotten and devoid of humanity so we can root for their destruction and feel justified when they suffer...we need our good guys to be pretty and not have any moral flaws...for the most part...if someone else made this show, McNulty and Prez would be shining heroes and the boss of everyone...Major Cedric Daniels, Erving Burrell, and Mayor Clarence Royce would not exist...

we want to believe that the criminals in the inner city are less than human monsters that are all sick and demented and need to be eradicated/exterminated...especially so, in the case of the inner city drug dealer...

our society has ingrained in us that the people who engage in illegal activities in the ghetto are the scourge of the Earth and their existences suck away at our quality of life as a whole...

We dare not think that some of those criminals are actually intelligent, reflective, ambitious, and have qualities such as compassion, fear, and heart...we wouldnt believe for a second that some of those people have hopes, dreams, and even skills that are very close to our own...

on that note, The Wire also uncovers some truths that alot of Americans arent willing to face...

for one, the fact that the decay of our inner cities is based on games of politics.....we LOVE to blame the poor, underprivileged, and disenfranchised solely for their own situations...

politicians pretend that their hands are tied and we believe them...and we dont even consider that if a real effort were put forth by law enforcement and government things CAN change....things change based on what it means for people in power...

efforts to help are many times blocked, hindered, and thwarted...and the people in the inner cities suffer and no one cares...

not to say that people dont have a stake in their own destiny, BUT the people we choose to lead, protect, and serve us us have to match that effort...

The Wire puts the children of the ghetto in your face and forces us to look at what they have to deal with...it forces us to realize that many of their choices are based on survival purely and going against the grain in that environment is a Herculean effort....it shows us how these kids are truly left behind and unprotected from the poisonous environment that surrounds them...

a character like Dennis Wise illustrates to us how very difficult it is to turn your life around in our society...

The Wire depicts these people as they really are in these situations and it doesnt gibe with what we have been taught abt these things...

Im sure race is a factor for some viewers, being that the cast is largely Black and white viewers tend not to watch Black themed film and tv....but thats not all of it...

Im sure that the realism is a bit much to take for some viewers....like many of you have mentioned, the story arcs are not neat or compartmentalized into easy bite-sized pieces...there is very little payoff, and any of the characters can meet an unfortunate end...seeing children and civilians murdered in cold blood Im sure is very hard to watch for some....and for those murders to go unsolved and unavenged must enrage some viewers....seeing people live in squalor matter of factly is also a bitter pill...

the lack of big name actors, the non-glorification of violence and sex, and the true to life depiction of the stress and frustration of police work are factors that send some viewers to the remote...

its a shame that The Wire wasnt more popular or recognized with awards, but for those of us who could appreciate it, we love it and defend it to the death...

We need more entertainment like it...

  

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Bringin Up Old Shit, pt 532: Why didnt The Wire find an audience? [View all] , scorpion, Wed Feb-25-09 12:30 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
it requires patience and attention to detail to enjoy.
Feb 25th 2009
1
Slow, depressing, not episodic at all
Feb 25th 2009
2
^^^Underrated reply
Feb 25th 2009
48
Nailed it...
Feb 28th 2009
63
no popular actors is a reason
Feb 25th 2009
3
Better yet, lack of a main character
Feb 25th 2009
22
Stuff like this is more along my lines of thinking
Feb 25th 2009
36
There are tons of successful ensemble shows
Feb 25th 2009
42
Who did The Sopranos have? X-Files? CSI? Entourage?
Feb 26th 2009
51
      RE: Who did The Sopranos have? X-Files? CSI? Entourage?
Feb 28th 2009
62
I guess I have some problems
Feb 25th 2009
4
this is part of my theory
Feb 25th 2009
5
      okay but a lot of stuff has a rabid core audience
Feb 25th 2009
8
           Those are all network shows that rely on ratings
Feb 25th 2009
11
           RE: okay but a lot of stuff has a rabid core audience
Feb 25th 2009
13
race had to play a part
Feb 25th 2009
6
*DING*
Feb 25th 2009
7
So you knew the answer to the question when you posed it.
Feb 25th 2009
9
      I said I had a THEORY.....which I would share later...
Feb 25th 2009
10
           I just made a statement, that's all.
Feb 25th 2009
12
                *extends hand*
Feb 25th 2009
16
                     Right on
Feb 25th 2009
17
                          Yr right
Feb 25th 2009
18
UNDERRATED AND UNDERSTATED REPLY OF THE YEAR!
Feb 25th 2009
38
yeah because black people aren't money makers.
Feb 25th 2009
47
      so the exceptions disqualify the rule?
Feb 26th 2009
52
take another glance my friend
Feb 25th 2009
45
Too realistically hood and working class. Too Baltimore
Feb 25th 2009
14
yeah, the pretty factor wasn't huge on that show
Feb 25th 2009
15
the Sopranos wasnt a "sexy" cast, either...
Feb 25th 2009
19
yeah, that chick's titties were right. i need to look her up
Feb 26th 2009
54
this is depressing
Feb 25th 2009
20
you can say the exact same things about The Sopranos
Feb 25th 2009
21
      The difference...
Feb 25th 2009
23
           I disagree
Feb 25th 2009
25
                i'd say that the sopranos was still fairly escapist, in a different way
Feb 25th 2009
28
                     *DING*
Feb 25th 2009
29
                     Cosign
Feb 25th 2009
30
                     Absolutely. But I still don't think it's a soap opera
Feb 25th 2009
31
                          i never said it was a soap opera
Feb 25th 2009
32
it was too real.
Feb 25th 2009
24
It's also a very angry show.
Feb 25th 2009
26
I am going to go out on a limb
Feb 25th 2009
27
      I think The Wire taps into a similar infatuation though
Feb 25th 2009
33
           it wasn't simple voyeurism though. That might've been the problem.
Feb 25th 2009
35
           Cosign.
Feb 25th 2009
37
                RE: Cosign.
Feb 26th 2009
53
most of you guys already touched on it...
Feb 25th 2009
34
^^^summarized my long ass post in 4 sentences^^^
Feb 25th 2009
40
trust me son. you're JUST Getting started...
Feb 25th 2009
43
I think some of you are reading to deeply
Feb 25th 2009
41
good point.
Feb 25th 2009
44
      Yeah, but....
Feb 25th 2009
46
Ya'll are looking too deep into it.
Feb 25th 2009
49
yep, that's part of it.
Feb 26th 2009
50
I heard that Deadwood and Rome did better #'s
Feb 26th 2009
55
"Rome" was awesome though.
Feb 28th 2009
60
Her acting was godawful throughout
Feb 26th 2009
56
"Kima, when did you realize you wanted to be a cop?"
Feb 26th 2009
57
"...and he threw down the bracelets..." <-----TERRIBLE
Feb 28th 2009
59
LOL i forgot about that part of it
Feb 28th 2009
64
Just newly getting into The Wire and I totally thought
May 31st 2020
65
Jemele Hill and Van Lathan have a podcast on The Wire
Jun 10th 2020
66
Did an OKP score the music for this ep?
Jun 11th 2020
68
her speech patterns bothered me the most....
Feb 28th 2009
58
it did find an audience during seasons 4 and 5
Feb 28th 2009
61
The Wire and Sopranos are great shows that would not at all work today.
Jun 11th 2020
67
i dunno man. when the Sopranos came out there were NO shows like it
Jun 12th 2020
69
It didn't find an audience? People literally come to Baltimore from
Jun 16th 2020
70
you realize this post is 11 years old? A LOT has changed
Jun 16th 2020
71
      I have lived in Baltimore the entire time it was filmed
Jun 17th 2020
74
This looks comical when these white drug shows win everything
Jun 16th 2020
72
Netflix has made things very different
Jun 17th 2020
73

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