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Doubt.

we are told how it holds us all together in terms of crisis of faith.

we let's talk about the 3 characters.

before that, the irony and tragedy of this entire movie is that the most insignificant character in the entire movie is Donald Miller. He is the MacGuffin.

Donald being possibly molested is not important to Sister Aloysius, Father Flynn, or Sister James.

Sister James has a crisis of faith. She is wholesome to fault to the naked eye. Christ is perfect and free from flaws. and thats how she views here faith and herself. the perfect world. thats what she likes. not the real one. And anything that gets in the way of that, she needs to get rid of. Thats why she was so quick to believe Father Flynn in their initial 3-way meeting, and then again Flynn convinced here when hey talked one-on-one. Who cares if Donald is was molested or not. God is great, all is honky dory.

Sister Aloysius has a crisis of faith alright. She is consumed with the power she has at that school because she is powerless within the confines of the church infrastructure where she has to answer to the men above her. It sticks in her craw. Especially when she has to answer to guy who she has his number in Father Flynn. She has an axe to grind. And if Flynn is molesting that kid, then that wets her appetitie and the hunt is on to take him down. Her zeal is not in the name of the Lord or to provide justice for Donald. Its to quench her thirst and empower herself in her mind to take down the very thing that keeps her down within the church.

What he belives and having justification for what he does is the only similarity that Flynn has with Aloysius and James. In contrast to the two women, Father Flynn is sure of himself. there is doubt with him. no ambivalence on whether he is doing the right thing. Father Flynn doesn't have the same crises that James and Aloysius has. In fact, its why Aloysius is threatened by him. He has HER number. He even broke her down crying in their classic scene like she normally breaks down the students in that school. He is simply wrong in his behavior. He is at a point of no return. There is no struggle with him. Donald isn't being molested...its love, compassion. i.e., who cares about Donald.


another bigger issue is that, the 60's have nothing to do with this. Its the fact that this stuff is going on in the Church amongst Nuns and Priests. people of God, who are above this kind of infighting, power-trips, etc.? right? lol

just a great movie, man.

<--- we've got bush!

  

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DOUBT [View all] , queenisisdivine, Fri Dec-26-08 09:05 PM
 
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RE: DOUBT
Dec 27th 2008
1
tuesday
Dec 27th 2008
2
I cracked up at the little kid doin the mashed potatoes
Dec 28th 2008
3
That was funny.
Dec 28th 2008
7
Really solid, if unspectacular flick (SPOILERS)
Dec 28th 2008
4
RE: Really solid, if unspectacular flick (SPOILERS)
Dec 28th 2008
9
an absolute acting clinic by all three main actors...
Dec 28th 2008
5
Yes!
Dec 28th 2008
8
The acting was phenomenal, but I still found the film problematic
Dec 28th 2008
6
What was the film's overall message?
Dec 28th 2008
10
      Well ****SPOILERS, obviously****
Dec 28th 2008
11
           I disagree with ever sentance you wrote.
Dec 28th 2008
12
           Well, that's just a shame
Dec 28th 2008
14
                Yes, obviously SHE endorses those things...not the film though.
Dec 28th 2008
16
                     But the film was saying being resistant to chace is okay...
Dec 28th 2008
20
                          i don't think anyone agrees with your analysis
Jan 04th 2009
35
                          lol
Jan 05th 2009
36
                          I don't particularly care if anyone agrees with me or not
Jan 05th 2009
38
                          The last line of the film...
Jan 06th 2009
41
                               RE: The last line of the film...
Jan 06th 2009
42
                                    Okay, now that I've seen this, I'm ready. *puts in mouthguard*
Jan 06th 2009
43
           Why do you feel the film endorsed those things?
Dec 28th 2008
13
           RE: Why do you feel the film endorsed those things?
Dec 28th 2008
15
                Streep's character was scared of change, but the film wasn't.
Dec 28th 2008
17
                     True.
Dec 28th 2008
18
                     RE: Streep's character was scared of change, but the film wasn't.
Dec 28th 2008
19
           I'm sorry, my dude, but I think you missed it.
Dec 29th 2008
22
           You're 100% accurate
Dec 29th 2008
24
           ^^^ The response I was looking for.
Dec 29th 2008
25
           I can only speak on my own interpretations of what I saw
Dec 29th 2008
26
                I think you're almost there, but you're still missing it.
Dec 30th 2008
28
           ^^watched a different movie
Dec 30th 2008
27
                lol
Jan 05th 2009
37
i enjoyed it. *spoilers*
Dec 29th 2008
21
Sparked some excellent drive home discussion
Dec 29th 2008
23
Absolutely brilliant script and performances
Dec 30th 2008
29
LOL! I didn't want to mention it, fam
Dec 30th 2008
30
      After he aint throw a hissy-fit with arms flailing after *spoiler*......
Dec 31st 2008
31
      He did look EXACTLY like Andrew Bynum.
Jan 06th 2009
44
RE: DOUBT
Dec 31st 2008
32
great story.
Jan 01st 2009
33
RE: Belief Systems Shattered
Jan 02nd 2009
34
I'll talk more later, but it's great.
Jan 06th 2009
40
Solid, but not great.
Jan 29th 2009
45
the last line bothered me, too
Feb 02nd 2009
46
the acting in this movie is AMAZING
Feb 02nd 2009
47
I wasnt feelin (no pun) PSH as the priest @ 1st but he killed it
Feb 03rd 2009
48
Strongest film of the year
Feb 08th 2009
49
      i thought this was much better than the reader
Feb 08th 2009
50
up for DVD
Jul 11th 2009
51
Doubt 2: Doubt Harder
Jul 11th 2009
52
most gangsterest nun ever
Jan 01st 2010
53
it was okay.
Jan 01st 2010
54

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