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"What do you consider the first Neo-Soul Album?"


  

          

I am thinking it's Zhane's first album. It seem like all the neo-soul aesthetics were there (though of course it wasn't labeled as such).

I could be wrong and convinced otherwise though. What do you think?




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What do you consider the first Neo-Soul Album? [View all] , Buddy_Gilapagos, Mon Jul-28-14 01:56 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
D'angelo - Brown sugar
Jul 28th 2014
1
Meshell Ndegeocello - Plantation Lullabies
Jul 28th 2014
2
RE: Meshell Ndegeocello - Plantation Lullabies
Jul 28th 2014
72
i think the labeling is key.
Jul 28th 2014
3
Sons of Soul is a very good candidate.
Jul 28th 2014
18
      i meant House of Music, not Sons of Soul.
Jul 28th 2014
20
           just when I was about to cosign you on Sons of Soul
Jul 28th 2014
22
                it's a post-neo-soul album
Jul 28th 2014
24
                I was going to posit the Heavies'* first record, but this same issue
Jul 28th 2014
25
                Without a doubt.
Jul 28th 2014
30
                You guys keep articulating why Joi is the answer
Jul 28th 2014
34
                     I'll have to think about that.
Jul 28th 2014
39
                     Listening again now...Blueprint is there.
Jul 31st 2014
126
                          I remember Joi's album being a bit too... weird.
Jul 31st 2014
127
                               Oh it definitely is
Jul 31st 2014
129
                     i see that.
Jul 28th 2014
43
                There's an IMO important principal difference...
Jul 28th 2014
74
                     only to add to your point, i think,
Jul 29th 2014
82
                but that's what Neo Soul is.
Jul 28th 2014
26
                     I consider House of Music Retro Soul
Jul 28th 2014
35
                     Cosign. nm
Jul 28th 2014
37
                     which album has the DJ Quik appearance?
Jul 28th 2014
41
                          House of Music.
Jul 28th 2014
59
                     The hip-hop element can't be discounted.
Jul 28th 2014
36
                          but see: DJ Quik.
Jul 28th 2014
45
                               I typically don't think of Tony Toni Tone as neo-soul either
Jul 28th 2014
46
                                    sons of soul absolutely married hip-hop with
Jul 29th 2014
92
Jul 28th 2014
4
why post-hip-hop
Jul 28th 2014
23
      I don't mean post-hip-hop in the sense of 'after hip-hop'
Jul 28th 2014
63
           I agree with this idea
Jul 28th 2014
66
I can see where you're going with Zhane, though. But
Jul 28th 2014
5
It's funny you mention the whole dance thing
Jul 28th 2014
10
      I feel the same way.
Jul 28th 2014
19
      RE: I feel the same way.
Jul 28th 2014
61
           Was Take Care *that* big?
Jul 28th 2014
69
                RE: Was Take Care *that* big?
Jul 29th 2014
93
      saw her live in manchester on the 30th July
Jul 31st 2014
128
           Yeah that's a wack take...
Jan 26th 2022
184
Brown Sugar
Jul 28th 2014
6
Joi's "The Pendulum Vibe" has been given that title
Jul 28th 2014
7
ding!
Jul 28th 2014
8
Baduism
Jul 28th 2014
9
I kind of don't think of Brown Sugar as Neo-Soul either.
Jul 28th 2014
17
if you don't think BS is Neo Soul then what is Neo Soul IYO?
Jul 28th 2014
27
      Brown Sugar was too hood to be Neo Soul
Jul 28th 2014
33
      All the other usual suspects. Badu, Jill Scott, Benet, Dwele, Maxwell
Jul 28th 2014
44
RE: Baduism
Jul 28th 2014
28
I think Baduism is so clearly defined Neo-Soul that we have to know
Jul 28th 2014
48
      Baduizm was the first *fully-formed* neo-soul album, I'll agree
Jul 28th 2014
54
           RE: Baduizm was the first *fully-formed* neo-soul album, I'll agree
Jul 28th 2014
79
I feel like Baduizm is the answer here.
Jul 30th 2014
96
I agree with the general consensus
Jul 28th 2014
11
if you gonna start counting at Soul II Soul
Jul 28th 2014
12
I'm not "counting" at Soul II Soul
Jul 28th 2014
16
lol. you gon fall off that shaky limb, brah.
Jul 28th 2014
13
Yeah I was thinking that is not how I would define Neo-Soul at all
Jul 28th 2014
15
but Soul II Soul's 1989 records don't sound like Soul records.
Jul 28th 2014
21
      I am not convinced Neo-Soul is required to evoke 70s soul music
Jul 28th 2014
29
           isn't that what makes it 'neo' though?
Jul 28th 2014
31
                Yeah I agree with that. I am just saying it doesn't have to be 70s soul
Jul 28th 2014
38
                     ok.... I guess I can get with that.
Jul 28th 2014
40
                     i dunno any Neo Soul records evoking the 50s and mixing it w/HH.
Jul 28th 2014
51
                          Do you consider Stepchild neo-soul?
Jul 28th 2014
56
                          i dunno who they is.
Jul 28th 2014
57
                               Stepchild's shit is so hard to find now
Jul 28th 2014
60
                                    oh i hear why Stepchild fell off.
Jul 28th 2014
65
                          I think artist who are influenced by Sam Cooke, Otis Reading & Early
Jul 28th 2014
67
                               who?
Jul 28th 2014
68
Yes, it's a shaky limb but
Jul 28th 2014
55
i disagree about Soul II Soul
Jul 28th 2014
14
      I'm intrigued by this...
Jul 28th 2014
32
           Hip-Hop Soul = R&B sang over Hip-Hop tracks.
Jul 28th 2014
47
                But both tracks come from "neo-soul" albums
Jul 28th 2014
58
                     the version of 'Bag Lady' i'm talking about didn't appear on an album.
Jul 28th 2014
64
                          Okay, let's try Mary J. Blige's "My Life" = HHS
Jul 28th 2014
70
                               if 'Bag Lady' (Cheeba Sac Mix) ain't HHS then there is no HHS.
Jul 28th 2014
71
                                    Erykah Badu is considered a neo-soul artist
Jul 28th 2014
76
                                         so what?
Jul 28th 2014
77
Can we agree that Ghetto Heaven is the bridge
Jul 28th 2014
42
Hmmm.... that's interesting.
Jul 28th 2014
49
naw.
Jul 28th 2014
50
In my mind, Ghetto Heaven is a proto-Neo Soul song, but
Jul 28th 2014
52
      in my mind GH has nothing to do w/Neo Soul.
Jul 28th 2014
53
I was thinking Arrested Development
Jul 28th 2014
62
no love for Groove Theory?
Jul 28th 2014
73
I think Brown Sugar pre-dates it.
Jul 28th 2014
75
      I never thought of Groove Theory as neo-soul
Jul 28th 2014
78
           I have a question...
Jul 28th 2014
80
interesting question...
Jul 28th 2014
81
Yah...
Jul 29th 2014
83
RE: Yah...
Jul 29th 2014
84
Wait did you say Mary J could really sing?
Jul 29th 2014
86
      Yes. And Badu could not.
Jul 31st 2014
117
Brown Sugar was not labeled 'neo-soul' at the time of its release though
Jul 29th 2014
85
      regardless of WHEN it was called neo-soul...
Jul 30th 2014
94
           But it wasn't that either.
Jul 30th 2014
97
                the first album to be labeled neo-soul was Baduizm
Jul 30th 2014
98
                Something being illustrated by all of this
Jul 30th 2014
99
                     I never saw Lauryn Hill as part of neo-soul
Jul 30th 2014
102
                          She had Mary J and D' on the album
Jul 30th 2014
106
                Brown Sugar birthed Neo-Soul...
Jul 31st 2014
116
                     That's not what you said at first, though.
Jul 31st 2014
121
                     Baduizm was the first album labeled neo-soul when it dropped
Jul 31st 2014
125
Dionne Farris, anyone?
Jul 29th 2014
87
Too BRC soul
Jul 29th 2014
88
      ^^^
Jul 29th 2014
89
      In theory we would have been better with a broader BRC influence
Jul 29th 2014
90
      Good Point.
Jul 29th 2014
91
      what do dat stand fo?
Jul 30th 2014
100
           Black Rock Coal-ition
Jul 30th 2014
101
                I remember mailing out for my BRC membership
Jul 30th 2014
103
                     They messed up by trying to make it too much of an org
Jul 30th 2014
104
                          True.
Jul 30th 2014
105
                          That was my time. They got me and several others on WBAI
Jul 30th 2014
108
Maxwell Gets My Vote
Jul 30th 2014
95
Unofficial: sons of soul/ official: brown sugar
Jul 30th 2014
107
i just don't hear Neo-Soul in SoS.
Jul 30th 2014
109
      Slow Wine, Pillow and I Couldnt keep it to myself????
Jul 30th 2014
110
      nope.
Jul 30th 2014
112
           To me..neo was rhodes and a rim shot or tribe inspired drums
Jul 30th 2014
115
           it also requires a certain 'warmth' in the production.
Jul 31st 2014
119
           Wow, to me, "I couldn't keep it to myself" sounds more 70's than a lot o...
Aug 01st 2014
132
                'Lovin You' is very Neo Soul, IMO.
Aug 01st 2014
135
      I think it was obviously a precursor
Jul 30th 2014
111
           Fender Rhodes + 808 = Neo Soul?
Jul 30th 2014
113
                that was pretty much the formula, i thought.
Jul 31st 2014
118
                Don't think there's much 808's in neo-soul.
Aug 01st 2014
161
                     thanks, smart guy.
Aug 02nd 2014
164
depends on ones definition of so-called 'Neo-Soul' obviously, but for ME...
Jul 30th 2014
114
Dunno, but I'm fairly certain it came out of London
Jul 31st 2014
120
Agreed. Omar's Nothing Like This and Des'ree's Feel So High
Aug 01st 2014
133
So let's talk about location. It's either Philly or London right?
Jul 31st 2014
122
of those 2 - Philly.
Jul 31st 2014
123
Home and birthplace can be 2 totally different things.
Jul 31st 2014
124
anita baker
Jul 31st 2014
130
Stop the presses, Gum may have just 'dropped the mic'...
Aug 03rd 2014
168
      But then why not Phyllis Hyman?
Apr 27th 2020
172
erykah badu
Jul 31st 2014
131
Been hinting at it all post but I think the hip-hop link is overstated
Aug 01st 2014
134
^ this is how i see it.
Aug 01st 2014
136
If you remove the sampled drums
Aug 01st 2014
137
it still doesn't make their music NS or proto-NS.
Aug 01st 2014
159
      Sowhat has convinced me on SIIS.
Aug 01st 2014
160
           The Neo-Soul era officially began
Aug 02nd 2014
162
                i haven't said all of the group's music is HHS.
Aug 02nd 2014
163
                     Which brings me back
Aug 02nd 2014
165
                          The acapella version of Back To Life, playboy.
Aug 02nd 2014
166
                               Sorry to upset you...
Aug 02nd 2014
167
Incidentally to drive home my Joi point
Aug 01st 2014
138
      Amoeba Cleansing Syndrome was some BRC shit, though
Aug 01st 2014
139
           RE: Amoeba Cleansing Syndrome was some BRC shit, though
Aug 01st 2014
140
           We had bootleg cassettes of ACS in 96 n/m
Aug 01st 2014
142
           "last gasp" implies that there was a public reaction to it
Aug 01st 2014
143
                I don't think I care about the 'public' reaction as such
Aug 01st 2014
145
                the lack of public release can be seen as the nail in the coffin
Aug 01st 2014
147
                     right. nm
Aug 01st 2014
150
           if you was in the loop, you had the promo in summer of 97.
Aug 01st 2014
144
                as I said in reply #108, 90 - 94 was my BRC era
Aug 01st 2014
146
                     btw who were you playing with?
Aug 01st 2014
149
                          I do play bass but I wasn't playing with nobody back then lol
Aug 01st 2014
151
                          I auditoned as a guitarist for The Nubian Souljahs in 92
Aug 01st 2014
153
           Agreed
Aug 01st 2014
141
           And oddly enough, the neo-ish tracks were the least interesting
Aug 01st 2014
148
           Connecting posts
Aug 01st 2014
152
                I never really thought about it this way
Aug 01st 2014
154
                     The name Rachid sounds familiar but I can't place it...
Aug 01st 2014
155
                     RE: I never really thought about it this way
Aug 01st 2014
156
                          The old neo-soul mythos went so deep
Aug 01st 2014
157
                          wow!!!
Aug 01st 2014
158
RE: Been hinting at it all post but I think the hip-hop link is overstat...
Jan 26th 2022
185
when did the words "neo soul" first come outta kedar's mouth?
Aug 04th 2014
169
I just heard Billy Lawrence's Paradise (1997) for the first time recentl...
Apr 23rd 2020
170
Reality was so dope to me
Apr 25th 2020
171
Such a dope ass discussion.
Jan 07th 2022
173
Where do folks think soul and/or R&B stand today?
Jan 07th 2022
174
Damn this whole post made me miss the old OKP...
Jan 09th 2022
178
Yeah.
Jan 10th 2022
179
RE: Damn this whole post made me miss the old OKP...
Jan 11th 2022
180
i read thru the whole post this evening like a good book.
Jan 15th 2022
183
Omar "There's Nothing Like This"
Jan 07th 2022
175
Joi - "The Pendulum Vibe" June 28 1994
Jan 09th 2022
176
I would consider Native Tongues & Soul II Soul as precursors to the Neo-...
Jan 09th 2022
177
"They're doing Tribe shit" (c) Phife (when asked about neo-soul..
Jan 11th 2022
181
Omar?
Jan 13th 2022
182

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