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 D'angelo - Brown sugar |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 1
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| Meshell Ndegeocello - Plantation Lullabies |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 2
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 RE: Meshell Ndegeocello - Plantation Lullabies |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 72
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| i think the labeling is key. |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 3
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| Sons of Soul is a very good candidate. |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 18
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| i meant House of Music, not Sons of Soul. |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 20
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| just when I was about to cosign you on Sons of Soul |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 22
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 it's a post-neo-soul album |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 24
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| I was going to posit the Heavies'* first record, but this same issue |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 25
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 Without a doubt. |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 30
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| You guys keep articulating why Joi is the answer |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 34
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| I'll have to think about that. |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 39
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| Listening again now...Blueprint is there. |
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Jul 31st 2014 | 126
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| I remember Joi's album being a bit too... weird. |
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Jul 31st 2014 | 127
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| Oh it definitely is |
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Jul 31st 2014 | 129
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| i see that. |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 43
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| There's an IMO important principal difference... |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 74
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| only to add to your point, i think, |
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Jul 29th 2014 | 82
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| but that's what Neo Soul is. |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 26
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| I consider House of Music Retro Soul |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 35
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| Cosign. nm |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 37
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| which album has the DJ Quik appearance? |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 41
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| House of Music. |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 59
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| The hip-hop element can't be discounted. |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 36
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| but see: DJ Quik. |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 45
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| I typically don't think of Tony Toni Tone as neo-soul either |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 46
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| sons of soul absolutely married hip-hop with |
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Jul 29th 2014 | 92
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| |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 4
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| why post-hip-hop |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 23
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| I don't mean post-hip-hop in the sense of 'after hip-hop' |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 63
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| I agree with this idea |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 66
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| I can see where you're going with Zhane, though. But |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 5
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| It's funny you mention the whole dance thing |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 10
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| I feel the same way. |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 19
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| RE: I feel the same way. |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 61
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| Was Take Care *that* big? |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 69
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| RE: Was Take Care *that* big? |
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Jul 29th 2014 | 93
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| saw her live in manchester on the 30th July |
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Jul 31st 2014 | 128
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| Yeah that's a wack take... |
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Jan 26th 2022 | 184
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| Brown Sugar |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 6
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| Joi's "The Pendulum Vibe" has been given that title |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 7
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| ding! |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 8
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| Baduism |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 9
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| I kind of don't think of Brown Sugar as Neo-Soul either. |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 17
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| if you don't think BS is Neo Soul then what is Neo Soul IYO? |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 27
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| Brown Sugar was too hood to be Neo Soul |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 33
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| All the other usual suspects. Badu, Jill Scott, Benet, Dwele, Maxwell |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 44
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| RE: Baduism |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 28
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| I think Baduism is so clearly defined Neo-Soul that we have to know |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 48
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| Baduizm was the first *fully-formed* neo-soul album, I'll agree |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 54
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| RE: Baduizm was the first *fully-formed* neo-soul album, I'll agree |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 79
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| I feel like Baduizm is the answer here. |
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Jul 30th 2014 | 96
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| I agree with the general consensus |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 11
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| if you gonna start counting at Soul II Soul |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 12
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| I'm not "counting" at Soul II Soul |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 16
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| lol. you gon fall off that shaky limb, brah. |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 13
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| Yeah I was thinking that is not how I would define Neo-Soul at all |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 15
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| but Soul II Soul's 1989 records don't sound like Soul records. |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 21
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| I am not convinced Neo-Soul is required to evoke 70s soul music |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 29
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| isn't that what makes it 'neo' though? |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 31
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| Yeah I agree with that. I am just saying it doesn't have to be 70s soul |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 38
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| ok.... I guess I can get with that. |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 40
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| i dunno any Neo Soul records evoking the 50s and mixing it w/HH. |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 51
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| Do you consider Stepchild neo-soul? |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 56
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| i dunno who they is. |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 57
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| Stepchild's shit is so hard to find now |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 60
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| oh i hear why Stepchild fell off. |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 65
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| I think artist who are influenced by Sam Cooke, Otis Reading & Early |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 67
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| who? |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 68
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| Yes, it's a shaky limb but |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 55
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| i disagree about Soul II Soul |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 14
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| I'm intrigued by this... |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 32
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| Hip-Hop Soul = R&B sang over Hip-Hop tracks. |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 47
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| But both tracks come from "neo-soul" albums |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 58
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| the version of 'Bag Lady' i'm talking about didn't appear on an album. |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 64
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| Okay, let's try Mary J. Blige's "My Life" = HHS |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 70
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| if 'Bag Lady' (Cheeba Sac Mix) ain't HHS then there is no HHS. |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 71
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| Erykah Badu is considered a neo-soul artist |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 76
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| so what? |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 77
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| Can we agree that Ghetto Heaven is the bridge |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 42
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| Hmmm.... that's interesting. |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 49
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| naw. |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 50
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| In my mind, Ghetto Heaven is a proto-Neo Soul song, but |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 52
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| in my mind GH has nothing to do w/Neo Soul. |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 53
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| I was thinking Arrested Development |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 62
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| no love for Groove Theory? |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 73
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| I think Brown Sugar pre-dates it. |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 75
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| I never thought of Groove Theory as neo-soul |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 78
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| I have a question... |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 80
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| interesting question... |
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Jul 28th 2014 | 81
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| Yah... |
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Jul 29th 2014 | 83
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| RE: Yah... |
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Jul 29th 2014 | 84
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| Wait did you say Mary J could really sing? |
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Jul 29th 2014 | 86
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| Yes. And Badu could not. |
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Jul 31st 2014 | 117
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| Brown Sugar was not labeled 'neo-soul' at the time of its release though |
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Jul 29th 2014 | 85
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| regardless of WHEN it was called neo-soul... |
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Jul 30th 2014 | 94
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| But it wasn't that either. |
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Jul 30th 2014 | 97
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| the first album to be labeled neo-soul was Baduizm |
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Jul 30th 2014 | 98
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| Something being illustrated by all of this |
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Jul 30th 2014 | 99
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| I never saw Lauryn Hill as part of neo-soul |
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Jul 30th 2014 | 102
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| She had Mary J and D' on the album |
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Jul 30th 2014 | 106
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| Brown Sugar birthed Neo-Soul... |
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Jul 31st 2014 | 116
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| That's not what you said at first, though. |
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Jul 31st 2014 | 121
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| Baduizm was the first album labeled neo-soul when it dropped |
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Jul 31st 2014 | 125
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| Dionne Farris, anyone? |
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Jul 29th 2014 | 87
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| Too BRC soul |
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Jul 29th 2014 | 88
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| ^^^ |
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Jul 29th 2014 | 89
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| In theory we would have been better with a broader BRC influence |
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Jul 29th 2014 | 90
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| Good Point. |
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Jul 29th 2014 | 91
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| what do dat stand fo? |
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Jul 30th 2014 | 100
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| Black Rock Coal-ition |
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Jul 30th 2014 | 101
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| I remember mailing out for my BRC membership |
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Jul 30th 2014 | 103
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| They messed up by trying to make it too much of an org |
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Jul 30th 2014 | 104
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| True. |
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Jul 30th 2014 | 105
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| That was my time. They got me and several others on WBAI |
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Jul 30th 2014 | 108
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| Maxwell Gets My Vote |
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Jul 30th 2014 | 95
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| Unofficial: sons of soul/ official: brown sugar |
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Jul 30th 2014 | 107
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| i just don't hear Neo-Soul in SoS. |
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Jul 30th 2014 | 109
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| Slow Wine, Pillow and I Couldnt keep it to myself???? |
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Jul 30th 2014 | 110
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| nope. |
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Jul 30th 2014 | 112
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| To me..neo was rhodes and a rim shot or tribe inspired drums |
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Jul 30th 2014 | 115
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| it also requires a certain 'warmth' in the production. |
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Jul 31st 2014 | 119
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| Wow, to me, "I couldn't keep it to myself" sounds more 70's than a lot o... |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 132
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| 'Lovin You' is very Neo Soul, IMO. |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 135
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| I think it was obviously a precursor |
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Jul 30th 2014 | 111
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| Fender Rhodes + 808 = Neo Soul? |
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Jul 30th 2014 | 113
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| that was pretty much the formula, i thought. |
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Jul 31st 2014 | 118
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| Don't think there's much 808's in neo-soul. |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 161
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| thanks, smart guy. |
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Aug 02nd 2014 | 164
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| depends on ones definition of so-called 'Neo-Soul' obviously, but for ME... |
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Jul 30th 2014 | 114
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| Dunno, but I'm fairly certain it came out of London |
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Jul 31st 2014 | 120
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| Agreed. Omar's Nothing Like This and Des'ree's Feel So High |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 133
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| So let's talk about location. It's either Philly or London right? |
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Jul 31st 2014 | 122
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| of those 2 - Philly. |
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Jul 31st 2014 | 123
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| Home and birthplace can be 2 totally different things. |
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Jul 31st 2014 | 124
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| anita baker |
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Jul 31st 2014 | 130
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| Stop the presses, Gum may have just 'dropped the mic'... |
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Aug 03rd 2014 | 168
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| But then why not Phyllis Hyman? |
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Apr 27th 2020 | 172
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| erykah badu |
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Jul 31st 2014 | 131
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| Been hinting at it all post but I think the hip-hop link is overstated |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 134
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| ^ this is how i see it. |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 136
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| If you remove the sampled drums |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 137
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| it still doesn't make their music NS or proto-NS. |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 159
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| Sowhat has convinced me on SIIS. |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 160
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| The Neo-Soul era officially began |
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Aug 02nd 2014 | 162
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| i haven't said all of the group's music is HHS. |
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Aug 02nd 2014 | 163
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| Which brings me back |
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Aug 02nd 2014 | 165
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| The acapella version of Back To Life, playboy. |
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Aug 02nd 2014 | 166
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| Sorry to upset you... |
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Aug 02nd 2014 | 167
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| Incidentally to drive home my Joi point |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 138
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| Amoeba Cleansing Syndrome was some BRC shit, though |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 139
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| RE: Amoeba Cleansing Syndrome was some BRC shit, though |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 140
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| We had bootleg cassettes of ACS in 96 n/m |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 142
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| "last gasp" implies that there was a public reaction to it |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 143
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| I don't think I care about the 'public' reaction as such |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 145
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| the lack of public release can be seen as the nail in the coffin |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 147
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| right. nm |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 150
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| if you was in the loop, you had the promo in summer of 97. |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 144
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| as I said in reply #108, 90 - 94 was my BRC era |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 146
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| btw who were you playing with? |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 149
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| I do play bass but I wasn't playing with nobody back then lol |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 151
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| I auditoned as a guitarist for The Nubian Souljahs in 92 |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 153
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| Agreed |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 141
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| And oddly enough, the neo-ish tracks were the least interesting |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 148
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| Connecting posts |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 152
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| I never really thought about it this way |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 154
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| The name Rachid sounds familiar but I can't place it... |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 155
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| RE: I never really thought about it this way |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 156
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| The old neo-soul mythos went so deep |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 157
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| wow!!! |
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Aug 01st 2014 | 158
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| RE: Been hinting at it all post but I think the hip-hop link is overstat... |
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Jan 26th 2022 | 185
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| when did the words "neo soul" first come outta kedar's mouth? |
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Aug 04th 2014 | 169
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| I just heard Billy Lawrence's Paradise (1997) for the first time recentl... |
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Apr 23rd 2020 | 170
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| Reality was so dope to me |
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Apr 25th 2020 | 171
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| Such a dope ass discussion. |
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Jan 07th 2022 | 173
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| Where do folks think soul and/or R&B stand today? |
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Jan 07th 2022 | 174
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| Damn this whole post made me miss the old OKP... |
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Jan 09th 2022 | 178
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| Yeah. |
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Jan 10th 2022 | 179
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| RE: Damn this whole post made me miss the old OKP... |
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Jan 11th 2022 | 180
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| i read thru the whole post this evening like a good book. |
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Jan 15th 2022 | 183
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| Omar "There's Nothing Like This" |
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Jan 07th 2022 | 175
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| Joi - "The Pendulum Vibe" June 28 1994 |
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Jan 09th 2022 | 176
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| I would consider Native Tongues & Soul II Soul as precursors to the Neo-... |
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Jan 09th 2022 | 177
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| "They're doing Tribe shit" (c) Phife (when asked about neo-soul.. |
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Jan 11th 2022 | 181
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| Omar? |
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Jan 13th 2022 | 182
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