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Wed Feb-29-12 07:10 PM by Brew

          

But that said, I don't totally agree with you that none of those things worked for him. Some people already touched on some of my points but I have a few things to add so I'll try to go point by point.

>When Nas took chances it never worked for him. Why? I mean,
>"You Owe Me", "You Want See Me Tonight"

These didn't work critically with his die hards but they were successful in the mainstream. That said, they were awful, awful songs. And he certainly didn't fit on that style of song. He attempted to step outside his comfort zone(s) and as far as quality goes, he did fail. As far as what I think he set out to do with the songs (sell > quality) he succeeded.


>Untitled LP, Hip Hop
>is Dead LP and other "Against The Grain" attempts to make a
>statement.

These didn't fail at all, IMO. HipHop is Dead and Untitled both sold fairly well. They also produced some midstream hits. At the same time, they maintained a high quality IMO (I love most of both, only a few duds on each), and I think also the opinion of his truer fans who appreciate what he tried to do conceptually while still maintaining that certain rawness that most of us want out of Nas because that's where he sounds his best.


>It seem like he always fall a little short unless
>he make his RAW Nasty Nas songs that we all seem to love. His
>commercial attempts or "concept" LP's always seem to not be
>accepted.

This is what I meant by "victim of his early success". Illmatic worked because it was so short, he was able to stay in his most comfortable zone, which is that raw, ghetto poetry and narratives. Of course the production didn't hurt either. But let's be honest, as lyrically potent as that album is it's not as if he was switching up flows and changing from song to song. Most songs flowed much the same. Don't get me wrong, it's PERFECT in my opinion, I'm just saying it's not like he was switching flows from song to song. It was just so short that the boom bap and rawness of that album didn't have a chance to get stale. And also, again, the beats never get old.

But in my experience, most of the people who bitch and moan about Untitled and HipHop is Dead (whether it's because they are attempts at "concept albums" or because they aren't "raw" enough, which by the way isn't true at all...listen to Money Over Bullshit) are people that are absolutely fixated on Illmatic and will never ever be satisfied unless he drops Illmatic2. I think Nas lacks the dynamic personality and presence which would have allowed him to succeed in his attempts at mainstream hits, but I don't think he's failed quite like you put it. He's had his ups and downs like any MC ever, but I think he's had far far more highs than lows.

Oh...and Distant Relatives was dope as fuck too. I love that that was the road he took for his collaboration album. I saw them live at the House of Blues in Boston and they were incredible.


Now, Nas is my favorite MC but it appears taking
>chances never jump off for him....or do they in your opinion?
>
>peace

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When Nas took chances it never worked for him. Why? [View all] , Thanes1975, Wed Feb-29-12 05:01 PM
 
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he always at his best when he's just "nas being nas."
Feb 29th 2012
1
Nas may have the worst ear for beats
Feb 29th 2012
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      agree
Mar 06th 2012
53
           Pretend or disagree?
Mar 06th 2012
58
                My bad, "ever" or "in hip history" was indeed strong.
Mar 06th 2012
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                ^^^^^ just speaking all kinds of truths and shit...
Mar 06th 2012
65
actually
Feb 29th 2012
2
RE: actually
Feb 29th 2012
3
generally the masses are stupid
Feb 29th 2012
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      RE: generally the masses are stupid
Feb 29th 2012
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RE: actually
Feb 29th 2012
6
in what world is "One Mic" a commercial song?
Feb 29th 2012
21
      you answered your own question
Mar 01st 2012
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           what?
Mar 01st 2012
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                once mic was released to radio and sold as a single
Mar 06th 2012
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                     "the basic definition of commerical is 'for sale'" (c) Selah
Mar 06th 2012
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"Big things" was his worst thing ever to me. I HATED him trying to
Feb 29th 2012
7
agreed. He was better on 'Heaven'.
Mar 01st 2012
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RE: "Big things" was his worst thing ever to me. I HATED him trying to
Mar 01st 2012
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      lol, i love that line though
Mar 07th 2012
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One could argue "Made U Look" as a lead single was very much a risk
Feb 29th 2012
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Eh, I get what you mean but it was directly in his own lane for sure
Feb 29th 2012
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RE: One could argue "Made U Look" as a lead single was very much a risk
Feb 29th 2012
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I'd certainly say it was more of a risk than 'You Owe Me' was
Mar 05th 2012
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Nas is like
Feb 29th 2012
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'Distant Relatives' was a niche success and very successful
Feb 29th 2012
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Strongly DISAGREE with this thread
Feb 29th 2012
13
RE: He's a victim of his own early success...
Feb 29th 2012
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Same here.
Mar 01st 2012
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Agreed but I just want to point out one thing
Mar 01st 2012
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      Yea - you're most likely right.
Mar 01st 2012
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It's a great thing
Feb 29th 2012
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lets see did he do a Country Project? Blues project? Blue grass?
Feb 29th 2012
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RE: lets see did he do a Country Project? Blues project? Blue grass?
Feb 29th 2012
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yeah Man he wanted to Be in the same Boat as Jay Z
Mar 01st 2012
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RE: lets see did he do a Country Project? Blues project? Blue grass?
Feb 29th 2012
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I thought Distant Relatives was borderline classic
Feb 29th 2012
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Yep.
Mar 01st 2012
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RE: Yep.
Mar 01st 2012
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the lesson loves this album
Mar 01st 2012
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As a longtime Nas fan, I didn't like it.
Mar 01st 2012
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I'm not big on reggae either and was terrified to listen to the album lo...
Mar 01st 2012
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      ^^^^^^ happened the same exact way for me.
Mar 01st 2012
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      Top 5 all-time live show.
Mar 05th 2012
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      Yea man. They absolutely killed it.
Mar 05th 2012
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      RE: ^^^^^^ happened the same exact way for me.
Mar 06th 2012
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      I saw the tour (which was great) before I heard the album in full
Mar 05th 2012
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           For sure.
Mar 06th 2012
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lol, i hated that album
Mar 06th 2012
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truthfully speaking because HipHop listeners don't allow for
Mar 01st 2012
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RE: truthfully speaking because HipHop listeners don't allow for
Mar 01st 2012
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realest talk
Mar 01st 2012
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Truth.
Mar 01st 2012
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Even though this is true, this isn't really what we mean with Nas...
Mar 06th 2012
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problem w/Electric Circus is it sucked.
Mar 06th 2012
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      RE: problem w/Electric Circus is it sucked.
Mar 06th 2012
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      Electric Circus did NOT suck...Yin/Yang twins' music sucks, Soulja
Mar 07th 2012
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      that record sux.
Mar 09th 2012
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      c'mon dawg. you can't be so obtuse.
Mar 07th 2012
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Most of the time he takes chances, he sells more records
Mar 01st 2012
31
nas - illmatic = mic geronimo
Mar 06th 2012
52
      I hope you get AIDS and die
Mar 09th 2012
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i don't agree.
Mar 01st 2012
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RE: i don't agree.
Mar 01st 2012
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Frankly the joints you speak of sound uninspired
Mar 05th 2012
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RE: Frankly the joints you speak of sound uninspired
Mar 05th 2012
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RE: Frankly the joints you speak of sound uninspired
Mar 05th 2012
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      RE: Frankly the joints you speak of sound uninspired
Mar 05th 2012
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because he's not a good musician.
Mar 06th 2012
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^ that.
Mar 06th 2012
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RE: because he's not a good musician.
Mar 06th 2012
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WOW at the 105BPM cutoff. Because he gets RAW on Nasty which
Mar 06th 2012
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LOL
Mar 06th 2012
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Dude needs a good executive producer/A&R
Mar 06th 2012
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RE: Dude needs a good executive producer/A&R
Mar 07th 2012
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The last time he experimented with his flow was IWW
Mar 07th 2012
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That's just not true
Mar 07th 2012
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      those last three, not so much.
Mar 07th 2012
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      RE: those last three, not so much.
Mar 07th 2012
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      RE: That's just not true
Mar 07th 2012
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dogmatic bullshit.
Mar 07th 2012
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i've never disagreed with any of this...he the best "writer" to ever rap
Mar 09th 2012
85
kelis
Mar 06th 2012
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RE: kelis
Mar 09th 2012
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