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Subject: "Amen OP Amen. He's been a gimmick his whole career but"
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Artful Dodger
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Fri Feb-17-12 12:13 PM
97. "Amen OP Amen. He's been a gimmick his whole career but"
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look at who mentored him from jump - the master of gimmicks. Puff.
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I'll tell you what the problem with R&B is
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Wed Feb-15-12 11:27 AM
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*pause for my agenda*
SoWhat
Feb 15th 2012
1
How funny this is post #1
OldPro
Feb 15th 2012
3
it's my agenda. lol
SoWhat
Feb 15th 2012
5
I credit Rod almost as much as I do Q
OldPro
Feb 15th 2012
14
*throws hands in the air*
SoWhat
Feb 15th 2012
15
you're describing how 'clear' and 'slick' the "thriller" album sounds.
Joe Corn Mo
Feb 15th 2012
25
i do not understand the origin of the Cult of Temperton
SoWhat
Feb 15th 2012
26
Are you serious? His legacy is incredible.
Artful Dodger
Feb 15th 2012
35
sure, but his importance in MJ's material is overstated.
Joe Corn Mo
Feb 15th 2012
40
No I think your throwing the baby and the bathwater out....
Artful Dodger
Feb 15th 2012
48
this isn't the post to argue this.
Joe Corn Mo
Feb 15th 2012
51
I do, but not as it relates to Michael Jackson
Dr Claw
Feb 15th 2012
36
i gave up trying long ago.
SoWhat
Feb 15th 2012
42
As I said i don't wan to get bogged down on this but
OldPro
Feb 15th 2012
47
it's all good.
SoWhat
Feb 15th 2012
53
Right I'm talking about the sound
OldPro
Feb 15th 2012
34
as does
Dr Claw
Feb 15th 2012
38
correct
Dr Claw
Feb 15th 2012
4
Can we have an honest and objective discussion about this?
imcvspl
Feb 15th 2012
2
IT'S OVER!!! SOUL, R&B, HIP-HOP, ALL THINGS OF THE PAST!!
imcvspl
Feb 15th 2012
13
^^^
SoWhat
Feb 15th 2012
16
...done by bedroom ''composers'' fumbling around on their laptops...
Jakob Hellberg
Feb 15th 2012
19
there's a feedback loop between bedroomers and those with other means
imcvspl
Feb 15th 2012
23
Ha!!!
Jakob Hellberg
Feb 15th 2012
28
yeah.
Joe Corn Mo
Feb 15th 2012
31
what happened between that era and now?
Dr Claw
Feb 15th 2012
6
I see we're on the same track
OldPro
Feb 15th 2012
8
it's also telling that a lot of the better artists out there
Dr Claw
Feb 15th 2012
11
I've always been drawn to self contained acts for this very reason
OldPro
Feb 15th 2012
17
The Hip-Hop ethos infected R&B.
Teknontheou
Feb 15th 2012
12
I think it's because it's not easy to pull off
OldPro
Feb 15th 2012
20
Full Disclosure
OldPro
Feb 15th 2012
7
I've been arguing this for years, though.
AFKAP_of_Darkness
Feb 15th 2012
9
last line - dead.
Artful Dodger
Feb 15th 2012
22
Yeah I've said this about neo-soul too
OldPro
Feb 15th 2012
24
yeah, your neosoul post deeply affected my thinking
AFKAP_of_Darkness
Feb 15th 2012
29
Damn you brought it wit this -
Artful Dodger
Feb 15th 2012
33
The thing about those 90s joints...
OldPro
Feb 15th 2012
37
Excellent point - I blame Jermaine Dupree haha.
Artful Dodger
Feb 15th 2012
41
Don't even get me started wth that dude
OldPro
Feb 15th 2012
55
hahahaha... dead. EXACTLY. EXACTLY.
Artful Dodger
Feb 15th 2012
65
in the '80s that would have meant
Dr Claw
Feb 15th 2012
45
The Prince "clones" were doomed from the start
OldPro
Feb 15th 2012
59
true
Dr Claw
Feb 15th 2012
64
I like a few things from Survivin' in the 80's
OldPro
Feb 15th 2012
67
Yeah... I was just kind of shocked @ the abrupt change
Dr Claw
Feb 15th 2012
69
I don't think good songwriting (tm) would change a thing...
Jakob Hellberg
Feb 15th 2012
43
lost in the sauce...
Dr Claw
Feb 15th 2012
56
They want good songs.... they just may not know it
OldPro
Feb 15th 2012
58
i think this is it. people just want crap.
GumDrops
Feb 16th 2012
83
That could be true, but one thing I have noticed since the 90s
AFKAP_of_Darkness
Feb 16th 2012
84
isnt that just people wanting to appear superior
GumDrops
Feb 16th 2012
85
hmm... that's an interesting way of looking at it.
AFKAP_of_Darkness
Feb 16th 2012
86
i def think that with youtube etc
GumDrops
Feb 16th 2012
88
I think (relative) sophistication is just a ''gimmick'' too though...
Jakob Hellberg
Feb 16th 2012
87
I agree, most of the A-list guys these days would be C-list
Nodima
Feb 15th 2012
10
Wait - farewell? I blame Pop music.
Artful Dodger
Feb 15th 2012
18
Yeah man I have to step away
OldPro
Feb 15th 2012
30
Aw man. Damn, I'm gonna miss your posts and insight bro.
Artful Dodger
Feb 15th 2012
32
i agree with everything you wrote.*
Joe Corn Mo
Feb 15th 2012
21
agree wholeheartedly - re: the importance of songwriting (my rant)
Selah
Feb 15th 2012
27
yeah... we need some better marriages between
Warren Coolidge
Feb 15th 2012
39
Good singers used to make fun music too
OldPro
Feb 15th 2012
44
THAT SONG SUCKED ASS!!!!
imcvspl
Feb 15th 2012
46
I'm not ashamed to say I like the song too
OldPro
Feb 15th 2012
49
incidentally thoughts on this "Green Light"
imcvspl
Feb 17th 2012
98
:(
Nodima
Feb 15th 2012
52
This is exactly why "serious" acts are afraid to let their hair down lik...
OldPro
Feb 15th 2012
57
This isn't about choice of direction it's about the actual song
imcvspl
Feb 15th 2012
60
But see you're showing what the real problem is
OldPro
Feb 15th 2012
62
Truth. Raw truth.
Artful Dodger
Feb 15th 2012
66
I didn't put my stick in this thread you did, OG post
imcvspl
Feb 15th 2012
71
First off all pop isn't created equal
OldPro
Feb 15th 2012
73
you're missing my point
imcvspl
Feb 15th 2012
74
Really man you off in left field somewhere
OldPro
Feb 15th 2012
75
Green Light is the mad note. i love that song
araQual
Feb 15th 2012
78
bbbut lemme finish first
imcvspl
Feb 15th 2012
79
I can say this about 100s of classic songs
OldPro
Feb 16th 2012
90
Mostly by my own doing
imcvspl
Feb 16th 2012
91
RE: This is exactly why "serious" acts are afraid to let their hair down...
murph71
Feb 15th 2012
61
i liked it too
GumDrops
Feb 16th 2012
82
yup...it definitely does NOT suck ass lol
DolphinTeef
Feb 15th 2012
63
well its simple the industry and R&B went more toward
mistermaxxx08
Feb 15th 2012
50
I think the producer is every bit as important as the song writer
OldPro
Feb 15th 2012
54
well then that hurts your argument because it is the writer
mistermaxxx08
Feb 15th 2012
80
I agree about the writing but I also say that...
BlackandProud
Feb 15th 2012
68
"and they don't have any joy in their voices" (c) my mom.
Joe Corn Mo
Feb 15th 2012
70
Man this is more than a mouthful - I concur in every way.
Artful Dodger
Feb 15th 2012
72
i think its just too pop
GumDrops
Feb 15th 2012
76
edit
OldPro
Feb 15th 2012
77
if you got a Brenda Russell or a Leon Ware composing
mistermaxxx08
Feb 15th 2012
81
the problem is URBAN RADIO!
tapedeck
Feb 16th 2012
89
agree..
chinyre
Feb 16th 2012
92
funnily enough, the new usher song is almost a modern classic
GumDrops
Feb 17th 2012
93
Usher is an empty vessel
OldPro
Feb 17th 2012
94
lol
SP1200
Feb 17th 2012
95
Usher has talent and yet it never went to match the hype
mistermaxxx08
Feb 17th 2012
99
yes and NO
Calico
Feb 17th 2012
96
I don't dislike all mainstream R&B now
OldPro
Feb 17th 2012
100
Chris Rock nailed it on "Champagne" back in '97
DJR
Feb 17th 2012
101
Wow and I thought it had to do with these soulless fucks like Dr. Luke
Ampex 472
Feb 17th 2012
102
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