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"imcvspl's Deep Thoughts: The Foil MC"


  

          

First a definition

The foil in literature is the character that offsets the main character to help emphasize the main character while detracting the main character's faults with their own. It's most commonly recognized though in comedic duos like Laurel and Hard, Abbot and Costello, Amos and Andy, Fred and Barney, etc. One character is the leading man who is supposed to be the smart lead that does everything right while their partner is the bumbling fool. In comics it's the sidekick to the hero. It's also the straight man. You get the picture.

So the MC foil is the one in the group that's of lesser skill or presence who holds it down, but isn't supposed to be as good as the lead MC. It works well for a number of reasons. Multiple voices help in hip-hop because it helps draw attention to the spit as the voices change rather than seeming like a run on sentence. Only MC's of certain caliber can really hold that lane down. And not all of them want to.

Let's be real. It's impossible to spit 100% 100% of the time. Over the course of an album by example... really hard to do. But if you're only responsible for 50% of the spit on the album, well that makes it a lot easier to appear to come of 100% 100% of the time. This is the technical reason a solo artist with solo albums they hold down under their belt is more impressive than an artist in a group with the same number of albums. But that was a tangent.

The foil is the person dropping that other 50% and they have to be able to hold their own too. But it's a contrast to the lead MC. How about some examples:

Public Enemy - perhaps the most divergent pairing, but it really worked. Would Chuck D have been able to do half the stuff he was able to do if Flav wasn't offsetting him, just by being Flav. I mean do you remember Mista Chuck?

Outkast - I always say there wasn't a foil on the first album, and that the majority of folk couldn't even tell them apart. It managed to work for them because of their own uniqueness but by the second album it was becoming clear the differences between them. It's debatable who was the foil. I mean people obviously want to say Dre, but when you think about it, Boi has been the same character througout, while Dre has become a 'character' even if it is who he really is.

Organized Konfusion - Pharoah fucking Monch. Perhaps one of if not *the* greatest lead in a duo of all time. I actually think a Flav like character for him could have worked better than his solo effort. As far as Organized was concerned though Prince Po has to be the hardest working foil ever. But in the end it kind of worked against him.

The Roots - Black Thought may be second behind Monch. But on the real Malik B could have been just as good but Thoughts work ethic kept him at the top. Post Malik there was a lot done to offset Thought. Of late the whole MMJB have been integral in that, and it's good because it really does allow him to be the Alpha male.

Wu-Tang - It's up for debate, and equally up for grabs as to who is the lead. RZA is the leader, but who is the lead MC changes track to track. I think the battling for that top slot is what makes them work together well as a unit of all Foils.

Tribe - It's always been Tip despite the fact that he has more foil like characteristics. Phife was barely on the first joint. Then started coming to his own on the second. Actually I think at the heart of the beef is that Phife always wanted to be the lead. Didn't really want to accept the foil role. Part of that because of the reaction to him coming out of Low End. Everyone gassed his head to believe he could be the lead. But he never had the work ethic to do it, while Tip was steady grinding.

I'm gonna stop here. Feel free to add on.
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imcvspl's Deep Thoughts: The Foil MC [View all] , imcvspl, Thu Nov-17-11 10:27 PM
 
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thread jack...
Nov 17th 2011
1
this kinda dead's your argument though
Nov 17th 2011
2
      strongly disagree.
Nov 17th 2011
3
      anyway this is cold crush/furious 5 principle...
Nov 17th 2011
4
           oh I agree with you generally
Nov 17th 2011
5
Another one...
Nov 17th 2011
6
The Lox?
Nov 18th 2011
7
I actually think jada is the solo lead and styles and sheek the foils
Nov 23rd 2011
17
Run DMC
Nov 22nd 2011
8
yep
Nov 22nd 2011
10
      DMC was the more lyrical of the two
Nov 24th 2011
26
interesting topic.. but i think with PE and Wu
Nov 22nd 2011
9
this just seems like a roundabout way to say no group rapper
Nov 22nd 2011
11
sounds like you're just butt hurt
Nov 22nd 2011
12
What's your thoughts on Nice & Smooth? That's a tougher call based
Nov 22nd 2011
13
Greg Nice was the lead without a doubt
Nov 23rd 2011
14
      Yeah, it's just interesting because usually the foil is the less serious
Nov 23rd 2011
15
Interesting idea i assume if the foil makes a listenable solo record
Nov 23rd 2011
16
RE: imcvspl's Deep Thoughts: The Foil MC
Nov 23rd 2011
18
let's talk OB4CL for a sec...
Nov 23rd 2011
19
Malik was never on Black Thought's level & never was gonna be
Nov 23rd 2011
20
Malik owned Illadelph with less verses n/m
Nov 23rd 2011
21
      No. Just no.
Nov 23rd 2011
22
      ^^^Opinion More Horrifying Than Dram Stroker
Nov 24th 2011
23
           It's like PORN owning Rising Down
Nov 24th 2011
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                ^^^This Opinion Is Worse Than The Rap Name Of The Guy Its Touting
Nov 24th 2011
25
                     And yet...
Apr 02nd 2012
31
                          Porn told us more about himself on "I Can't Help It"...
Apr 02nd 2012
38
                               my bad this wasnt directed at you, primus
Apr 02nd 2012
39
                                    forgot how to post...lol
Apr 02nd 2012
40
Kast is interesting... i think i'd say they had 2 leads.. BUT i think
Nov 24th 2011
27
Was Supeb Ghost's foil... hmmm
Jan 06th 2012
28
GLC, never been in a group but always kills features
Jan 06th 2012
29
Tyler is definitely more on point flow-wise when Earl is present..
Jan 06th 2012
30
Bone Thugs N Harmony?
Apr 02nd 2012
32
Little Brother
Apr 02nd 2012
33
Cypress Hill
Apr 02nd 2012
34
NWA
Apr 02nd 2012
35
I'm struggling to think of new groups
Apr 02nd 2012
36
Leaders of the New School
Apr 02nd 2012
37
how about Clipse?
Apr 02nd 2012
41
Wait...did WTT turn Jay-Z into Kanye's foil?
Apr 02nd 2012
42
a similar instance of this is Waka/Gucci recently
Apr 02nd 2012
44
Travis Porter.
Apr 02nd 2012
43
good post
Apr 02nd 2012
45
Just to clear this up, Run was nice as fuck
Apr 02nd 2012
46
      Run was the "little engine that could"
Apr 02nd 2012
47
What About Brand Nubian?
Apr 03rd 2012
48
Goodie Mob
Apr 03rd 2012
49

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