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50. "You actually think most artists sell everywhere?"
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>I feel like you bought that East/West bullshit.
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>I'm speaking from a consumer's perspective
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>Do you think all those acts I named get deals, videos,
>etc...if they aren't going to sell any records in half the
>country?

Selling records to half of the country would be a dream for any record label. That's millions of people! That's the majority of the damn country. NY bias was very real so it's not about buying East vs West bullshit. Hip Hop started in NY and they were very protective of it for a long time. You actually think Compton's most wanted sold a lot of records East of the Mississippi? Those artists didn't need to because there are plenty of people out West in the Midwest and in the South to support those artists. The same is true in reverse nowadays. You weren't about to hear Mobb Deep or Jeru down South. You think every artist that gets signed to a deal sells everywhere? All artists have markets they do well in and markets that they don't do well in...that doesn't mean they can't have a career.
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>Take the Geto Boyz for example
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>When my minds playin tricks broke, nobody was like, oh wait a
>minute, these boyz aren't from around here, they might be from
>that other coast, let's not buy their stuff

You do realize that the song you are using as an example was from their FOURTH album. You want to honestly argue that "Read These Nikes" and "Mind Of A Lunatic" were getting major attention in New York back then? Mind Playing Tricks was a hit song that crossed over and got played everywhere eventually but all you need to do to realize the point I'm making is actually listen to early Geto Boy records like Do It Like It G.O. where they are complaining about the lack of respect and play they get on the East Coast.

>HELL NO. That shit was dope, and that's all it had to be
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>My bol had a DJ Magic Mike tape, i can still hear the
>
>Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, Bass, Bass
>
>"A few kids liking an album does not equal Hip Hop unification
>during those times. That's just not the case. NWA in general
>got no radio play back then and certainly didn't get the type
>of attention on the East Coast that they did in the West or
>South. It was extremely rare back then for a Hip Hop group
>from the West to even play venues in NY."
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>And I'm telling you you're wrong.
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>NWA DID get play out here.
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>I can't speak on what the West and the South was playing to
>compare so I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with
>about who gave them more attention.
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>I still remember this girl gettin dissed because everytime she
>came around my bol would start singin...I got a fat girl on my
>jock
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>Everybody was rocking Raiders gear.
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>Don't even get me started on 2 Live Crew
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>As far as getting booked at venues, media, and print
>etc...there was a stigma over the entire genre
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>Folks thought going to a hip-hop show was like going to
>Vietnam
>
>Couple that with the imagery of west coast videos, and I think
>it might be easy to infer the reason why a club owner might be
>hesitant to book them
>
>You act like acts other than RUN DMC were getting booked for
>arena shows

Whodini, Kurtis Blow, The Fat Boys, Beastie Boys, DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince, Beastie Boys, LL Cool J, PE, Fresh Fest...I could on and on. Plenty of Hip Hop acts played big venues.
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>Hip-hop shows were done in hole in the wall clubs, and an act
>flyin out to the east from the west would definitely be losing
>money

Lose money? By 1992? Come on man. Look I'm not talking about all of the hype about East or West but the reality is in general NY Radio, press, etc were not fucking with West Coast or Southern artists back then. There was not this unified Hip Hop nation where region didn't matter. Of course their are always going to be pockets of people who go against that and eventually those barriers came down but don't act as if they weren't there. Shit New York used to give shit to Philly and even other areas of New York like Long Island so they certainly weren't fucking with people they perceived to be country and rocking jeri curls especially when they were coming with what was seen as negative records back then when most NY artists were promoting unity and some sense of Black pride. NWA, Geto Boys, Too Short, were perceived as taking Hip Hop back lyrically and socially. Tim Dog's only hit was Fuck Compton a song basically dissing the entire West Coast. There's a reason for that...he wasn't alone in how he felt. The shit came up all the time at the New Music Seminar, in interviews and magazines. You ask any Southern or West Coast artist who was around then about how hard it was to break into that NY East Coast fan base and they will tell you. Quik, Cube, Dre, Too Short, Scarface will all tell you how hard it was back then.
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Let's go back in time to 1992 to the anticipation/release of The Chronic [View all] , Black N Proud, Sat Sep-24-11 12:48 AM
 
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RE: Let's go back in time to 1992 to the anticipation/release of The Chr...
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oh man the deep cover song had dropped and the hype was on
Sep 24th 2011
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Did you know the minute you heard Deep Cover....
Sep 24th 2011
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oh no doubt i was at a house party and folks was like check out
Sep 24th 2011
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RE: oh no doubt i was at a house party and folks was like check out
Sep 24th 2011
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      oh Man back then Cube was on the Pulse
Sep 24th 2011
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           Very interesting post, especially the part on Pac. Great points.
Sep 24th 2011
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                it doesn't get talked about in that way or content, however
Sep 24th 2011
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                     It really is interesting at how things have changed drastically.
Sep 24th 2011
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                          hip hop especially because it wasn't that long ago you got old
Sep 24th 2011
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RE: Did you know the minute you heard Deep Cover....
Sep 24th 2011
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RE: oh man the deep cover song had dropped and the hype was on
Sep 25th 2011
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A lot of people were doubting Dre
Sep 24th 2011
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I was interested in hearing about the doubters too.
Sep 24th 2011
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      he was doubted because NWA was a Brand
Sep 24th 2011
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           RE: he was doubted because NWA was a Brand
Sep 24th 2011
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                he also had time to map things out
Sep 24th 2011
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                     It really is interesting when you look back at it.
Sep 24th 2011
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                          it wasn't nearly as corperated as it is now
Sep 24th 2011
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I can only speak personally.....
Sep 24th 2011
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Good point, great read...
Sep 24th 2011
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i'd argue
Sep 24th 2011
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      There's some truth to this.
Sep 25th 2011
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People knew it was going to be pretty big
Sep 24th 2011
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Great story and post. Thanks
Sep 24th 2011
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RE: People knew it was going to be pretty big
Sep 26th 2011
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1992 was a different time
Sep 24th 2011
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all true Co Sign
Sep 24th 2011
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In the moment
Sep 24th 2011
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Couldn't agree more.
Sep 25th 2011
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What kind of hypothetical is this?
Sep 24th 2011
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That album catapulted him to celebrity
Sep 24th 2011
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      But you're hypothetically asking:
Sep 24th 2011
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           No, what I'm saying is
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                One could easily make an argument that...
Sep 24th 2011
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                     Well that is kind of the argument I'm tryin to make
Sep 24th 2011
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                          The Nas/"Illmatic" comparison is moot with Dr. Dre
Sep 24th 2011
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                               No shit
Sep 24th 2011
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                                    lol
Sep 25th 2011
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Great read, thanks!
Sep 24th 2011
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That's some serious revisionist history
Sep 24th 2011
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      revisionist history or not, i can only speak from my perspective
Sep 24th 2011
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      I'm merely correcting your statement about Hip Hop's lack of coastal iss...
Sep 24th 2011
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           So you think all those acts I named get deals
Sep 24th 2011
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                     Yeah and no
Sep 26th 2011
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                          RE: Yeah and no
Sep 26th 2011
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                          In the early days absolutely
Sep 27th 2011
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                               I feel like you're taking bits and pieces from different eras
Sep 27th 2011
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                                    My point is the Chronic broke down Coastal Biases
Sep 28th 2011
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                                         I'm not from NYC
Sep 28th 2011
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                                              Ok we're obviously talking about different things here
Sep 29th 2011
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                                                   Boyz n the Hood...1991
Sep 29th 2011
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                                                        So now you're bringing up movies?
Sep 29th 2011
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      Agreed, there's a lot of revisionism here
Sep 28th 2011
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G Thang
Sep 24th 2011
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i never anticipated anything Dre put out: ever
Sep 24th 2011
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RE: i never anticipated anything Dre put out: ever
Sep 26th 2011
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I also remember the anticipation/release of
Sep 24th 2011
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I remember the commercial for it
Sep 24th 2011
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From a youngsters perspective
Sep 25th 2011
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      Ren's verse on '100 Miles' is one of the best in rap music, period
Sep 26th 2011
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Yes I. Take a hit of the Chronic with Dr. Dre. December 15th. Right
Sep 24th 2011
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RE: Let's go back in time to 1992 to the anticipation/release of The Chr...
Sep 24th 2011
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I first heard it on my sky tell pager
Sep 24th 2011
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you can't even appreciate what daytona spring break '93 was like...
Sep 24th 2011
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RE: Let's go back in time to 1992 to the anticipation/release of The Chr...
Sep 24th 2011
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I couldn't tell you a
Sep 25th 2011
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we were getting our driver's licenses then.
Sep 25th 2011
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nothing on the Chronic was as good as "Deep Cover"
Sep 25th 2011
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I laughed.
Sep 25th 2011
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This was EXACTLY how I felt
Sep 25th 2011
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lmao... how does it feel to be different?
Sep 25th 2011
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sorry i was never into "G FUNK" .....
Sep 25th 2011
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      I can actually see an East Coast head feeling that way
Sep 26th 2011
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      RE: I can actually see an East Coast head feeling that way
Sep 26th 2011
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      I think that might have been my favorite album cut
Sep 28th 2011
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      come on bro, you had to TRY not listening to that album... it owned
Sep 26th 2011
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      A whole lot of that album isn't what's become known as "G-Funk" though
Sep 28th 2011
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      RE: A whole lot of that album isn't what's become known as "G-Funk" thou...
Sep 28th 2011
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      Cmon dogg...
Sep 28th 2011
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           never said it was smooth...
Sep 28th 2011
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lol the east coast bias is strong with this one
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      I'm talkin steroid enhanced 800 bench press maximum strong
Sep 28th 2011
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Hmm...
Sep 25th 2011
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RE: Hmm...
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RE: Let's go back in time to 1992 to the anticipation/release of The Chr...
Sep 26th 2011
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it was more of a regional thing
Sep 26th 2011
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I actually learned who Dre + Snoop were b/c of my Godsister from
Sep 28th 2011
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Great Post
Sep 26th 2011
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Last CD I bought that came in that long cardboard box
Sep 27th 2011
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Ha Yeah I Remember That
Sep 27th 2011
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had just moved to LA summer of 92...i remember the day
Sep 28th 2011
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who was ghost writing for dre on 'the chronic'?
Sep 28th 2011
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I thought it was Snoop and DOC no? Maybe Kurupt too?
Sep 28th 2011
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Mostly DOC I Think
Sep 28th 2011
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Possibly Deadly Threatt. Possibly MF Grimm
Sep 28th 2011
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For real? I never heard this.
Sep 28th 2011
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      I heard from a few cats that Threat ghost-wrote for a lot...
Sep 29th 2011
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RE: who was ghost writing for dre on 'the chronic'?
Sep 28th 2011
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      Is Haven't You Heard Good?
Sep 29th 2011
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           i loved it
Sep 30th 2011
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