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Ketchums
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56. "I actually do give points for working hard..."
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Fri Sep-02-11 08:14 AM by Ketchums

  

          

If I actually have evidence of them working hard. As an example, I'll bring up Oddisee and Black Milk. I think they work hard because of the amount of music they release at any given time - a couple years ago, these dudes were dropping several full albums within a year's time - and the high quality that comes with those. I think hard work can also be determined by the amount of detail found in the music, whether it's nuances in production or detail in lyrics. Big Sean comes across as a hard worker to me too - a couple years ago, not only was this dude dropping his mixtapes tough, but this dude was touring like crazy, and he was dropping guest verses on *everybody's* shit. Just seemed like he was never content. Same with Curren$y, dude drops a prolific amount of material that, IMO, stays at a certain level of quality.

This isn't to say that being prolific or having intricacy ultimately defines working hard, because I already know there are holes in that reasoning if those are rigid rules. Just saying that these are things that can sometimes signify the hard work to me.

Hard work does get points though, because super formulaic music often seems like it wasn't worked hard on. Again, not a catch-all for anything that's formulaic, because some people are formulaic and wack no matter how hard they work, but it's an occasional barometer. But if I can't see the effort at all, I'm less likely to support - because if you don't take your own work seriously, why should I as a consumer?

On the other hand, when I actually do believe that an artist worked hard, I'm likely to identify with that concept of dedication, and I give my support as much as I can - be it through buying the album, ticket sales, spreading the word, etc.

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i don't give artists/entertainers points for 'working hard'. [View all] , SoWhat, Tue Aug-16-11 06:10 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
What Can They Get with Your Points?
Aug 16th 2011
1
they'd need enough points to buy up all the high speed cable internet
Aug 16th 2011
2
      So Your Point System is Worthless...
Aug 16th 2011
3
           should i give more points for 'hard work'?
Aug 16th 2011
4
                'Hard Work' is Context Not Content
Aug 16th 2011
6
                I assume that's the theory.
Aug 16th 2011
13
                if you're not buying their product
Aug 16th 2011
8
                     Have YOU spent $ on an act bc they worked hard?
Aug 16th 2011
10
                          what I've spent on or why is irrelevant here
Aug 17th 2011
20
                               how does hearing that an act 'works hard' impact your appreciation?
Aug 17th 2011
23
                                    My appreciation of what?
Aug 17th 2011
26
                                         the music. the act as a whole.
Aug 17th 2011
27
                                              ummm... it depends.
Aug 17th 2011
28
                                                   Co-signage...
Aug 17th 2011
29
Who is considered to be a "hard worker"?
Aug 16th 2011
5
RE: Who is considered to be a "hard worker"?
Aug 16th 2011
7
Ye, Yonce, Gagz, MJ.
Aug 16th 2011
11
      RE: Ye, Yonce, Gagz, MJ.
Aug 16th 2011
14
           music biz is a lot less
Aug 17th 2011
19
           Oh GTFOHWTBS
Aug 17th 2011
21
                RE: Oh GTFOHWTBS
Aug 17th 2011
34
                     Oh STFU
Aug 17th 2011
35
                     RE: Oh STFU
Aug 17th 2011
36
                          Yeah really.
Aug 17th 2011
37
                               RE: Yeah really.
Aug 17th 2011
42
                                    At least you admit this, and that's all I care about.
Aug 18th 2011
44
                                    RE: At least you admit this, and that's all I care about.
Aug 18th 2011
48
                                         ...aaandd also still sucks.
Aug 18th 2011
49
                                              LMAO
Sep 02nd 2011
58
                                    Also... re: 'living his dream'
Aug 18th 2011
45
                                         a lot of ppl think you can only make good music if you love it
Aug 18th 2011
46
                                              I'm just sickened by this whole romantic notion of artistry
Aug 18th 2011
47
                                              RE: I'm just sickened by this whole romantic notion of artistry
Aug 23rd 2011
52
                                              Co-sign.
Aug 18th 2011
50
                     this really is ridiculous.
Aug 23rd 2011
53
is this a spinoff of something else? i missed the convo.
Aug 16th 2011
9
Yes.
Aug 16th 2011
12
I Will Say This, The More They Brag About Working Hard...
Aug 16th 2011
15
it really struck me when Ye said he deserved to win some Grammy
Aug 16th 2011
17
First Of All Never Take Mr.West's Comments Seriously
Aug 17th 2011
18
      dude, i lost about 2 weeks of sleep over that comment.
Aug 17th 2011
24
Amen...
Aug 17th 2011
30
James Brown said he was the hardest working man in showbusiness
Aug 16th 2011
16
Tim Tebow
Aug 17th 2011
22
      his album sucked. n/m.
Aug 17th 2011
25
I don't give them points for ''doing their thing''...
Aug 17th 2011
31
This is especially true for hip hop producers...
Aug 17th 2011
32
amen.
Aug 17th 2011
33
RE: This is especially true for hip hop producers...
Aug 17th 2011
43
Only stupid musicians work hard. Making music is as easy as breathing.
Aug 17th 2011
38
lol
Aug 17th 2011
39
^hates the hardest working man in showbiz
Aug 17th 2011
40
yes. i like a lazy genius more than someone hard working and average.
Aug 17th 2011
41
RE: i don't give artists/entertainers points for 'working hard'.
Aug 19th 2011
51
Agree with this 100%
Aug 23rd 2011
54
i equate this with artists who are prolific
Sep 02nd 2011
55
agree 100% nm
Sep 02nd 2011
57

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