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42. "i'm ambivalent to this whole line of reasoning, honestly"
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it's unfair to speculate on how much better she could've gotten in future, but essentially saying her music didn't mean shit to ppl BEFORE she became the go-to posthumous r&b goddess ain't fair either (or that we're past the 'Aaliyah is the greatest' worship and can finally see her discog as the average affair that it is...not so). and in reference to her music holding up, that entire argument is subjective in relation to the person's own experience. for instance, u can't discount my love for her music just becos i grew up on her first two albums and associate em with my burgeoning feelings of love, and falling in love for the first time. those are my connections to her music from adolescence into my teens. to ME, her first two albums hold up REAL well. i can acknowledge there was and will be better singers than her that make better music. but at the same time i can pop on either album and listen to em all the way through. even "OIAM" which might sound scattered due to the splitting of the production duties, the Timbo tracks hold up supremely well (as do all of Tim's first-run work with G & Missy n Aaliyah). but "Choosey Lover"? y'all didn't like it? "Got To Give It Up" will still get a party jumpin today. the title track, whether u wanna admit it or not, is also still a big kick in the ass and considered an r&b CLASSIC. she wasn't even 18 at the time. man, the potential she had will always outweigh the scant few albums she managed to release before the plane crash, but i can't clap to denigrating her discog becos of it. her music and my para-social r/ship with her persona say otherwise. if u add the remixes and other assorted Tim-related work she's been involved with, u could compile a great Best Of (and Best Ofs in general are barometers for an artist's greatness now? she got better cuts than those that appeared on "IC4U").

in terms of the kind of sound she was starting to lean toward as she got older with her music, it was slightly darker, add to that the fact she had discovered Lewis Taylor only a year or so before her death, so who knows how that could've influenced her future work.

i think time & place plays a huge part too. ask my anyone my age now (26 and above) in Australia who grew up on the early 90s r&b stalwarts (Kells, Jodeci, Aaliyah, Guy) and they could give a fuck about Keyshia Cole. i dont think ive ever heard a Keyshia song let alone an album. she just never factored into the scene here. Aaliyah was quite prevalent tho, and is still largely appreciated by all the same ppl in my vicinity who i grew up with. i dont know anyone who i associate with from my immediate area (that is, the entire state of Victoria/city of Melbourne) that even knows of or listens to or RATES Keyshia Cole.

lastly, Aaliyah had that extra somethin. i know it's often brought up to justify the worship, but whether it was choosing to roll with Timbo before he was seriously a force to be reckoned with, or the (seemingly maligned) "mystique" factor (the hair over the one eye thing, her general laid back, reserved but fly girl u could kick it with persona), i know *i* loved her as much back then as i did after her passing. i'm not making any of this up to dissuade this largely unnecessary post criticising a dead girl's music who never lived past 22, simply saying whatever made her so loved existed while she was still on this Earth.

but i forget that OKP doesn't like to include personal connections when judging an artist's output or that artist as a whole :/ clearly her music meant and continues to mean something and holds up and all that good stuff that makes her worthy of mass praise. for u it's like peering from the outside in, for a lifelong Aaliyah fan it's like u were there from the beginning and were part of the ride so our POV on EVERYTHING is gonna be counter to ur experience. and of course there's all the distortions that come with an artist's untimely demise and all the complicated emotions that arise as a result (wat SoWhat refers to as the "cult" part of the worship). ain't that standard behaviour tho?

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Y'all ain't gonna like this....... but I'm sorry Aaliyah's catalog......... [View all] , OldPro, Thu May-19-11 05:36 PM
 
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Quality over quantity
May 19th 2011
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RE: Y'all ain't gonna like this....... but I'm sorry Aaliyah's catalog.....
May 19th 2011
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Exactly
May 19th 2011
3
      the majority coming from one and a million.
May 19th 2011
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           One and a Million is her best no doubt
May 19th 2011
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                i think you're being unfair to her 3rd album
May 19th 2011
13
                     The songs I like on her 3rd I like more than just about any of her cuts
May 20th 2011
19
I mean you have a point (a weak one) and all but she died at 22
May 19th 2011
6
Heard This Argument Before Many Times.....
May 19th 2011
7
Spot on
May 19th 2011
8
downhill after her work with R.Kelly
May 19th 2011
9
RE: downhill after her work with R.Kelly
May 20th 2011
17
yah,
May 19th 2011
10
*likes this*
May 19th 2011
11
who argues that aaliyah's catalog is strong?
May 19th 2011
12
the Cult of Aaliyah.
May 20th 2011
16
      I work with one of them
May 20th 2011
20
thing is I grew up with Keyshia Cole and STILL know more Aaliyah
May 19th 2011
14
I wouldn't go that far. Let it go is my shit forever. Love was a hitter
May 19th 2011
15
Love is an off-key, warbly piece of shit.
May 20th 2011
18
Dude "Take Me Away" is everywhere right now
May 20th 2011
21
      I live in Omaha, NE and don't use the radio
May 20th 2011
32
aaliyah's LPs are interesting r&b artifacts at best BUT...
May 20th 2011
22
So the fact that Aaliyah had access to a legendary producer
May 20th 2011
23
      regardless of how singers like A + KC are portrayed
May 21st 2011
41
but she was cuter than Keyshia tho
May 20th 2011
24
RE: but she was cuter than Keyshia tho
May 20th 2011
26
RE: but she was cuter than Keyshia tho
May 20th 2011
27
Better not say this around Black women around 30
May 20th 2011
25
That does seem to be the demo doesn't it?
May 20th 2011
28
that's absolutely the demo
May 20th 2011
29
Peer group
May 20th 2011
37
man this girl in my hip-hop studies class
May 20th 2011
33
I recommend all of her albums!
May 20th 2011
30
Journey To The Past LIVE
May 20th 2011
31
even one in a million isnt nearly as good as ppl made out
May 20th 2011
34
The Timbaland cuts hold up extremely well.
May 20th 2011
35
      RE: The Timbaland cuts hold up extremely well.
May 20th 2011
36
disagree - she has some enduring jams. many current stars won't
May 20th 2011
38
'jams' and 'catalog' aren't the same shit tho
May 20th 2011
39
      true - her catalog of jams is still better than many that have come up
May 23rd 2011
52
her music stood out to me more than Keyshia's does
May 20th 2011
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nobody's in here saying you can't have that connection
May 21st 2011
46
      but every artist or band have got 'teh crazy' fanatics
May 21st 2011
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           nah we're not talking about people like you
May 21st 2011
48
                ok das is ein cool, then
May 21st 2011
49
his music started to become interesting when she dropped that
May 21st 2011
43
that album was a grower, it's only the last couple yrs that ive dug it
May 21st 2011
44
Aaliyah was jammin..period
May 21st 2011
45
I wish I had the money to buy her catalog
May 23rd 2011
50
RE: Y'all ain't gonna like this....... but I'm sorry Aaliyah's catalog.....
May 23rd 2011
51
Easy... they both have catalogs
May 23rd 2011
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      RE: Easy... they both have catalogs
May 23rd 2011
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RE: I think a lot of people got caught up in the sadness of her death.
May 23rd 2011
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it's not that strong....but her last album was solid, and to me
May 23rd 2011
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RE: it's not that strong....but her last album was solid, and to me
May 24th 2011
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