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"Sara Quin of Tegan & Sara writes open letter on Tyler, the Creator (swip..."


  

          

didn't see this posted yet, however I think it could lead to an interesting discussion on here

http://teganandsara.com/news/a-call-for-change/

a call for change

When will misogynistic and homophobic ranting and raving result in meaningful repercussions in the entertainment industry? When will they be treated with the same seriousness as racist and anti-Semitic offenses? While an artist who can barely get a sentence fragment out without using homophobic slurs is celebrated on the cover of every magazine, blog and newspaper, I’m disheartened that any self-respecting human being could stand in support with a message so vile.

As journalists and colleagues defend, excuse and congratulate ‘Tyler, the Creator,’ I find it impossible not to comment. In any other industry would I be expected to tolerate, overlook and find deeper meaning in this kid’s sickening rhetoric? Why should I care about this music or its “brilliance” when the message is so repulsive and irresponsible? There is much that upsets me in this world, and this certainly isn’t the first time I’ve drafted an open letter or complaint, but in the past I’ve found an opinion – some like-minded commentary – that let me rest assured that my outrage, my voice, had been accounted for. Not this time.

If any of the bands whose records are held in similar esteem as Goblin had lyrics littered with rape fantasies and slurs, would they be labeled hate mongers? I realize I could ask that question of DOZENS of other artists, but is Tyler exempt because people are afraid of the backlash? The inevitable claim that detractors are being racist, or the brush-off that not “getting it” would indicate that you’re “old” (or a faggot)? Because, the more I think about it, the more I think people don’t actually want to go up against this particular bully because he’s popular. Who sticks up for women and gay people now? It seems entirely uncool to do so in the indie rock world, and I’ll argue that point with ANYONE.

No genre is without its controversial and offensive characters- I’m not naive. I’ve asked myself a thousand times why this is pushing me over the edge. Maybe it’s the access to him (his grotesque twitter, etc). Maybe it’s because I’m a human being, both a girl and a lesbian. Maybe it’s because my mom has spent her whole adult life working with teenage girls who were victims of sexual assault. Maybe it’s because in this case I don’t think race or class actually has anything to do with his hateful message but has EVERYTHING to do with why everyone refuses to admonish him for that message.

It is not without great hesitation and hand wringing that I enter into the discourse about Tyler, the media who glorifies and excuses misogyny and homophobia, and the community of artists that doesn’t seem remotely bothered by it. I can only hope that someone reading this might be inspired to speak out. At the very least, I will know that my voice is on record.

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Sara Quin of Tegan & Sara writes open letter on Tyler, the Creator (swip... [View all] , Deluge, Sun May-15-11 11:01 AM
 
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Lesbian (c) Manolo
May 15th 2011
1
Lol
May 15th 2011
38
RE: Sara Quin of Tegan & Sara writes open letter on Tyler, the Creator (...
May 15th 2011
2
i find it funny she brought up race because i wonder if she has an issue
May 15th 2011
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RE: i find it funny she brought up race because i wonder if she has an i...
May 15th 2011
5
well she obviously doesnt realize that syd is a gay female and in the gr...
May 15th 2011
7
      i'm sure she doesn't
May 15th 2011
9
           it definitely would be. especially with this in mind:
May 15th 2011
11
you really trying to turn this letter around on her????
May 15th 2011
6
      she has a point and a right to feel the way she does
May 15th 2011
8
Plus, I mean, I think it has more due to the insular world of music hip-...
May 15th 2011
12
I'm not sure she'd be less offended if she did
May 15th 2011
41
      RE: I'm not sure she'd be less offended if she did
May 15th 2011
43
Waiting for Ashley to come in and talk about how OF plays instruments...
May 15th 2011
3
If you don't keep up with my comments in totality
May 15th 2011
58
      And if you kept up with my comments, you would see I say this...
May 16th 2011
102
           Keep up with you? LOL. You callin MY name out.
May 16th 2011
105
                you called out everybody for not saying shit about other rapper's conten...
May 16th 2011
106
                     Cmon son. Reply 3. You said my name. But you accuse ME of
May 16th 2011
108
                          It was in your own post....
May 16th 2011
110
                               LOL. Fam, you reachin HARD.
May 16th 2011
111
                                    I'm reaching??? you act like a stan who has Tyler over their shoulder......
May 16th 2011
113
                                         Oh ok, you're using this post to air your feelings about
May 16th 2011
142
                                              different post, same topic... you MAD!
May 16th 2011
149
Odd Future really isn't meant for anyone but the emerging generation
May 15th 2011
10
LOL
May 15th 2011
13
^clearly doesn't understand existentialism
May 15th 2011
15
      *has flashbacks to 'deep' dorm room discussions in freshman year*
May 15th 2011
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           ...
May 15th 2011
20
                My laughter at your naively self-serious appeal to Sartre
May 15th 2011
24
                     You could change the tone of his response and have a comedian read it...
May 15th 2011
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                     Okay, so I'm not the only one who sees it, right?
May 15th 2011
27
                          it's especially funny if you know who that is
May 15th 2011
29
                     No, it really wasn't.
May 15th 2011
49
                          I did address your point.
May 15th 2011
52
                               Who gives a fuck if it came off as generic, it's certainly true.
May 15th 2011
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                                    LOL You young bammas can't even forge your own mythology.
May 15th 2011
59
                                         Yes grandpa, tell me a story.
May 15th 2011
64
                                         Here's a story for you:
May 15th 2011
67
                                         RE: That's an awesome book. Very much worth the read.
May 15th 2011
82
                                              I've skimmed passages here and there over the years
May 15th 2011
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                                         Both of you have a point.
May 15th 2011
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                                         hohoho.
May 15th 2011
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                                              I ain't mad at the kids at all... Let 'em have their fun.
May 15th 2011
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                                                   Yah....
May 15th 2011
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                                                   yeah but.. you can't give young people a foul for..
May 16th 2011
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                                                        RE: yeah but.. you can't give young people a foul for..
May 16th 2011
128
                                                        punk didn't innovate youth angst though....
May 16th 2011
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                                                             RE: punk didn't innovate youth angst though....
May 16th 2011
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                                                        I ain't mad at them for that either.
May 16th 2011
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                                                             exactly...
May 16th 2011
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                                                             You know you're wrong for this
May 16th 2011
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                                                             yow- 10rs later they'll 'change the game' with french cuffs...
May 17th 2011
159
These are rich kids from the burbs.. what the fuck are you talkin about?
May 15th 2011
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What does that have to do with anything?
May 15th 2011
47
LOL why does everybody think that?? They damn sure ain't from the
May 15th 2011
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his name is Tyler
May 16th 2011
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I was just talking shit really... Don't know too much about them...
May 16th 2011
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      Does that mean that they don't have valid opinions?
May 16th 2011
150
           who said anything about black artists in particular??
May 17th 2011
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                The music would be completely different, though.
May 17th 2011
171
                RE: who said anything about black artists in particular??
May 17th 2011
179
lol. your screename fits you perfectly
May 16th 2011
137
RE: Odd Future really isn't meant for anyone but the emerging generation
May 15th 2011
36
Bitch Suck Dick is a parody of Lil B...
May 15th 2011
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      No, that's not the real reason.
May 15th 2011
50
      No, that's your perception.
May 15th 2011
51
           Oh, I know you're in the middle of college.
May 15th 2011
54
                Completely ignore what I'm saying again, that's cool.
May 15th 2011
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                     You're not listening, son: I *am* addressing what you're saying.
May 15th 2011
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                          You are so right
May 15th 2011
63
                               I didn't say none of that.
May 15th 2011
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                                    ya
May 15th 2011
73
                                         but would that be progressive... or retrogressive?
May 15th 2011
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                                         This:
May 15th 2011
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                                              hahaha
May 15th 2011
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                                                   I'll say this.....
May 15th 2011
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      off this subthread, I listened to that song
May 15th 2011
71
wtf?
May 15th 2011
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I'm looking for a dog-track running avi reading this bullshit
May 15th 2011
85
RE: Odd Future really isn't meant for anyone but the emerging generation
May 16th 2011
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I totally agree. Kids reflect the society they live in, regurgitate it e...
May 16th 2011
136
oh, god.
May 16th 2011
146
HAHA@this 'voice of a generation' stuff
May 17th 2011
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      There are loads of voices...he's just one of em
May 17th 2011
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Nobody has a right to not be offended.....unfortunately
May 15th 2011
14
RE: Nobody has a right to not be offended.....unfortunately
May 15th 2011
18
of course people are going to be protesting this shit
May 15th 2011
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Honestly, it's hard for me to walk through any critique by an outsider
May 15th 2011
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this^^^^
May 15th 2011
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in a world where someone tries to make COMMON controversial
May 15th 2011
34
you pretty much worded what ive been thinking for 2 days
May 15th 2011
35
well said
May 16th 2011
145
how about this: everybody may be asked to account for their words
May 17th 2011
160
RE: Sara Quin of Tegan & Sara writes open letter on Tyler, the Creator (...
May 15th 2011
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....
May 15th 2011
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Dumb
May 15th 2011
28
Oh, come on, be harder on yourself !
May 16th 2011
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it's so many topics to sing/rap about. so what if a person only wants to
May 15th 2011
30
wat
May 15th 2011
86
he's gonna make a song about this...then she'll be REAL offended
May 15th 2011
31
Like she said, she just wants her opinion on record.
May 15th 2011
32
LMAO. The Sweatiest Figure In Music Entertainment Today...
May 15th 2011
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Not sure about this one
May 15th 2011
37
      LMAO
May 15th 2011
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lol. dumb bitch.
May 15th 2011
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^^^proof that OFWG is for ignorant people
May 15th 2011
61
      ignorant as fuck but i swear i wont change up (c) domo
May 15th 2011
100
Her opinion is totally valid and I kinda agree with it
May 15th 2011
40
Don't remember uproar like this with Jigga or...
May 15th 2011
42
Really, those seem like good comparisons to you?
May 15th 2011
44
      slick rick is a pretty good one
May 15th 2011
45
      Okay, I'll give him Slick Rick
May 15th 2011
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           First of all, there was some uproar about some of those guys
May 16th 2011
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      In terms of misogyny, yes
May 15th 2011
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Dear homos: We've already been through this, and you took an L
May 15th 2011
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RE: Sara Quin of Tegan & Sara writes open letter on Tyler, the Creator (...
May 15th 2011
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It's also her free speech right to comment about how she dislikes it.
May 15th 2011
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      RE: It's also her free speech right to comment about how she dislikes it...
May 15th 2011
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           Your argument makes no sense
May 16th 2011
123
                Bullseye !
May 16th 2011
132
This thread is a beautiful mess so far.
May 15th 2011
70
If thats all it is, why are you and so many others so mad?
May 15th 2011
72
*SMH* Look dude....I dig some of Earl's album. I really do.
May 15th 2011
75
well said!
May 15th 2011
95
RE: *SMH* Look dude....I dig some of Earl's album. I really do.
May 16th 2011
103
this bullshit again?
May 16th 2011
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and that's what both their fans and detractors should remember
May 15th 2011
76
reason & logic actually n/m
May 15th 2011
77
you can say that for 99 percent of hip hop now and yesterday
May 15th 2011
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lol this is all *i'm* saying:
May 15th 2011
89
^This one right here
May 15th 2011
97
She gets more pussy than me so I can't criticise.
May 15th 2011
78
shes 100% right. ppl are aggressively hypocritical nm
May 15th 2011
79
Fan of Tyler, the only problem I have w/the content is it's gettin old
May 15th 2011
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you can say that same for 99 percent of hip hop
May 15th 2011
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      Right? Cocaine and murder rap ain't old though. Niggas talk
May 15th 2011
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      not exactly...
May 16th 2011
104
      As someone who thinks 'Goblin' was a boring album....
May 16th 2011
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           RE: As someone who thinks 'Goblin' was a boring album....
May 16th 2011
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                it wont
May 16th 2011
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      while every other genre of music has millions of topics to sing about.
May 17th 2011
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I think people are missing the point of the criticism
May 15th 2011
93
Except for the fact that she's wrong.
May 16th 2011
107
cmon.
May 16th 2011
114
      ^^^^
May 16th 2011
115
you know what would've been a way more provocative angle?
May 16th 2011
116
that would require her to actually listen to it
May 16th 2011
119
Tyler's response:
May 16th 2011
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lmao. TROLL TROLL TROLL...
May 16th 2011
120
really, is that what he said? that's kind of a let down...
May 16th 2011
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      To be honest, I'm kinda glad he didn't invoke any of that.
May 16th 2011
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      I know but.. "suck my dick" ?
May 16th 2011
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      Tyler is just a kid who got lucky.
May 16th 2011
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           >Jay Z signed that rat chick from England who kept making those weird an...
May 16th 2011
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           side appreciation for saying "this isn't rocket science"
May 16th 2011
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           this resonated with me
May 17th 2011
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      yep, emphasis on the childish
May 16th 2011
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      See post 70
May 16th 2011
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           Yeah. That pretty much sums it up for me now.
May 16th 2011
134
i mean...i guess..she got her points
May 16th 2011
141
i admit i don't get odd future.
May 16th 2011
147
She should have made a diss song about Tyler
May 16th 2011
148
odd future = this generations D12
May 17th 2011
156
Sounds Like Someone Got Caught Up In The OFWGKTA Hype
May 17th 2011
157
this is pretty well put together actually...
May 17th 2011
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All this yappity yap about a group that won't even be around next year
May 17th 2011
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      It is?
May 17th 2011
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      RE: All this yappity yap about a group that won't even be around next ye...
May 17th 2011
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           RE: All this yappity yap about a group that won't even be around next ye...
May 17th 2011
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                RE: All this yappity yap about a group that won't even be around next ye...
May 17th 2011
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                     these guys arent going away that quickly
May 17th 2011
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                          RE: these guys arent going away that quickly
May 17th 2011
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                               dude
May 17th 2011
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                                    RE: dude
May 17th 2011
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                                         last i checked goblin was about to do 40-50k in week 1
May 17th 2011
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q - does it matter OFs fanbase is 90% white?
May 17th 2011
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of course it doesn't. at least not in this discussion
May 17th 2011
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      RE: of course it doesn't. at least not in this discussion
May 17th 2011
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           You got it.
May 17th 2011
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                you cant be anti everything and be anti file sharing
May 17th 2011
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wolf gang
Jul 05th 2012
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RE: wolf gang
Jul 05th 2012
183
lofl
Jul 05th 2012
185
      YES!
Jul 05th 2012
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People are SO sensitive these days
Jul 05th 2012
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