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OldPro
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"I'm worried we've spiraled into a Sweet & Low period"


  

          

I'm unapologetic in my opinion that music today is more vibrant and fun than it was 10-15 years ago... but I have to say I'm very disappointed that this is not transferring over to the stage. Theatrics and spectacle alone does not make one sound or perform like a star... unfortunately an alarming number of those old enough to know better seem to have forgotten this. Making things even more worrisome is we have a new generation coming that has never known what real "sugar" tastes like. I'm serious when I say this worries me ... it's not just hyperbole.

It may be coincidental that the Sweet & Low star is gaining a stranglehold in a period directly after the passing of the greatest Pop Star of the last 40 years... but I think there's a connection. Of course the move towards counterfeit superstars goes back before MJ's passing... the minute MJ left the stage and became a full time TMZ item the opening was there. The music industry had already been taking short cuts for close to two decades but now they were in a pickle... failing to develop and nurture talent at the expense of short term profit meant the bench was thin and in some cases completely empty. The so-call "Neo-Soul" movement boasted of a return to musicianship and "real" songs but it didn't have any of the pizazz that could fill the void left by the greats of yesterday. Of the two that did one was a dude basically doing arena karaoke and the other was a woman with a lack of radio friendly hits. And Hip-Hop... We all know Hip Hop had the personalities but fell pitifully short as a genre that could produce quality live acts.

It was clear the slack would have to be taken up by those closest to MJ's pop tree... The Boy Band off-shoots, Usher, sister Janet and her clones. Thing is all these acts could mimic the moves & theatrics of MJ but to a varying degree all fell short of the substance that sustained Michael all those years.... talent and the drive to create.

Now here we sit about 10 years later with a new crop of "stars"... the difference is these performers have also been inspired by the failed replacements of the post MJ era. That "middle" generation did a respectable job at times but it was still a long way from what any of us over 40 became accustom to when we were young. My worry is the further we move away from the age of the stage, the more bloated and fake it's going to get. We have people today going into a frenzy anytime they see outrageous outfits, lifts, pyrotechnics, and a gang of people on stage... proclaiming it the "best shit ever" and throwing out GOAT status based solely on the spectacle. Old heads you can't be afraid to step up and call this bullshit for what it is. Sitting out there and co-signing shit you should know better of just to avoid grumpy old man jokes isn't helping anyone. Step up and share the knowledge you have... if you have a niece, nephew or younger brother or sister show them what performances used to be about. Get out those old video tapes or forward on some links... and if Prince comes to your town, go out there and get them a ticket so they can witness with their own eyes what a real live show looks and SOUNDS like. It might be too late to turn this back but that doesn't mean you are supposed to give up and just accept a substitute as the genuine article. It's up to us to teach the children that just because it's sweet doesn't mean it's sugar.


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I'm worried we've spiraled into a Sweet & Low period [View all] , OldPro, Fri May-06-11 08:48 AM
 
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i fux w/this.
May 06th 2011
1
lol
May 06th 2011
4
Ha!
May 06th 2011
6
I'm stealing "get off my lawn" though. n/m
May 09th 2011
61
you know I agree with this post.
May 06th 2011
2
I agree with this
May 06th 2011
3
      but I think the ability to rock a stage
May 06th 2011
49
I said the same thing but the niggers here wasn't having it
May 06th 2011
5
agreed. grabbing the torch without adding fuel to the fire.
May 06th 2011
7
Yeah maybe I shouldn't have said cosigned
May 06th 2011
8
Let's make this a little more specific
May 06th 2011
9
Why don't you tell us why it doesn't deserve to be called such?
May 06th 2011
11
Too easy
May 06th 2011
16
let's do it.
May 06th 2011
18
LMAO
May 06th 2011
22
Dude I have a long boring day at work ahead of me
May 06th 2011
25
I don't like that style of argument.
May 06th 2011
24
      I usually don't either.... but in this case it works though
May 06th 2011
32
For me it's as easy as no instruments
Sep 16th 2011
106
in all honesty, i've never heard that before.
May 06th 2011
14
Do you mean you never heard this called a great performance?
May 06th 2011
29
i've never heard the song before. amazing, right?
May 06th 2011
35
      like... you had to have been in a cave in Tibet, right?
May 06th 2011
36
           lol
May 06th 2011
39
           Like, I can't summon the songs to memory on my own
May 06th 2011
42
           hell, i "acquired" the album pretty early in the game.
May 06th 2011
41
                It's the only Kanye album I found nothing I liked
May 06th 2011
43
Tone is locking in on it right here
May 06th 2011
34
ALL OF THE LIGHTS!!!
May 06th 2011
19
that's the reason why Jay Z can sell out & tour in general.
May 06th 2011
20
are people really saying that? seriously?
May 06th 2011
52
1. he's not surrounded by 3-4 dudes who shout every other lyric.
May 10th 2011
85
*placeholder*
May 06th 2011
10
aight you're right and but i think your answer is wrong
May 08th 2011
56
doesn't MJ himself deserve a good amount of blame for this?
May 06th 2011
12
when have you ever counted, Turkey?
May 06th 2011
15
Well played!
May 06th 2011
28
      I ain't gonna popular here....
May 06th 2011
53
           i feel you on that.
May 10th 2011
94
He does in the same way I "blame" Prince for the death of black bands
May 06th 2011
23
      RE: He does in the same way I & blame & Prince for the death of black ba...
May 06th 2011
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           I'm taking exception to the word "blame" you used in that first post
May 06th 2011
46
                lets not get too hung up on that word, its blame in the same way Nirvana
May 06th 2011
47
                     Yeah in reading your second post I don't think we're at odds at all
May 06th 2011
48
man....
May 06th 2011
13
okay, player?
May 06th 2011
17
rotfl......
May 06th 2011
21
Let me make this clear.....this isn't a let's bitch about new music post
May 06th 2011
26
      *notes obvious Warren Coolidge bait*
May 06th 2011
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      I thought the real WC bait
May 06th 2011
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      hence my statement
May 06th 2011
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           I don't think they do
May 06th 2011
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                for me
May 06th 2011
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                     I see what you're saying
May 06th 2011
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                          hopefuly this happens soon...i think it will
May 06th 2011
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                          RE: I see what you're saying
May 06th 2011
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Nah, its dat new SPLENDA
May 06th 2011
44
I'mma let y'all finish, but : DAM FUNK SUCKS TO INFINITYx
May 06th 2011
51
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
May 08th 2011
57
that ain't exactly a bad thing
May 09th 2011
59
I hope you feel better now that you got that out
May 09th 2011
63
Feeling Great, My Nigga
May 09th 2011
66
      If I'm breathing I'm happy
May 09th 2011
67
lol
May 10th 2011
75
^^^hasn't seen Dam live.
May 10th 2011
80
Who puts on a good live show in your opinion?
May 07th 2011
54
Foreign Exchange rocks shit.
May 09th 2011
62
I will agree fully, after finally seeing them.
May 09th 2011
65
From the 90s until now huh?
May 09th 2011
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      RE: From the 90s until now huh?
May 09th 2011
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came back in here to say
May 08th 2011
55
You're So Critical On One Genre (R&B) But Not On The Others (Rock)
May 09th 2011
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I'm only going to speak on what I can intelligently speak on
May 09th 2011
60
Live performances in Rock aren't great right now either
May 09th 2011
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See This I Know Which Is Why I Brought It Up
May 09th 2011
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      Well I didn't take it that way
May 09th 2011
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oh, you listen to rock?
May 10th 2011
78
I watched a good part of the Gaga show on HBO this weekend
May 09th 2011
64
RE: I watched a good part of the Gaga show on HBO this weekend
May 09th 2011
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Did you ever see her debut performance?
May 10th 2011
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What!
May 10th 2011
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      It's because she plays piano.
May 10th 2011
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      the Alicia Keys factor.
May 10th 2011
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      LMFAO
May 10th 2011
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      Good question...
May 10th 2011
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      that was dEs
May 10th 2011
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           damn... I can NOT believe I couldn't remember that.
May 10th 2011
90
      I was impressed with her voice too
May 10th 2011
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      RE: It's because she plays piano.
May 10th 2011
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      I haven't seen any recent footage
May 10th 2011
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in her defense...
May 10th 2011
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      Yeah and there's nothing wrong with that
May 10th 2011
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           RE: Yeah and there's nothing wrong with that
May 10th 2011
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RE: I'm worried we've spiraled into a Sweet & Low period
May 09th 2011
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^^^went from sugar to saccharin
May 10th 2011
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Just curious.... what do y'all think about Beyonce's live show?
May 10th 2011
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RE: Just curious.... what do y'all think about Beyonce's live show?
May 10th 2011
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RE: I'm worried we've spiraled into a Sweet & Low period
Sep 16th 2011
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RE: I'm worried we've spiraled into a Sweet & Low period
Sep 16th 2011
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      RE: I'm worried we've spiraled into a Sweet & Low period
Sep 16th 2011
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           wild hunnid
Sep 16th 2011
100
Not sure what block's point of upping this thread was
Sep 16th 2011
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great thread
Sep 16th 2011
102
you get what you begat....lol.
Sep 16th 2011
103
^ a great, concise summation.
Sep 16th 2011
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      smh.
Sep 16th 2011
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           I don't know what you're talking about. Sounds like you have beef.
Sep 16th 2011
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Sep 16th 2011
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^^Now this is an analysis that I can ride with^^
Sep 16th 2011
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WHY "live performances don't matter" to current artists
Sep 16th 2011
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Sep 16th 2011
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