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"hey artistes: we WILL d/load ur shit. n if it SUX? we ain't buyin"


  

          

(a rant)

simple.fucking.formula.

i'm sick of seeing the same ol "lay down UR hard-earned cash so artists can keep doing what they're doing" bullshit. as far as i'm concerned, artists can make their money offa selling their product themselves online and at LIVE shows (which is where the real proving ground is, and also where artists got the potential to make lifelong fans who WILL buy their shit...if it doesn't suck ass, of course). it's a fucking LIE that everyone buys everything that they love anymore, so can we stop acting like this is some ideal we as music aficionados have to live up to? music is out there everyfuckingwhere. if i can expand my knowledge and palette via downloading, then fuck you i'm not gonna let some half-assed pride bout how things used to be done stand in the way of that.

why should i or anyone else in this day n age follow that old annoying mantra of "PAY FOR THIS or u are a tyrant who is killing music"? we all know it's not like that anymore. actually to ME it seems like the pressure should be on the "artistes". are u putting ur foot into ur work? does it sound GOOD? FINE then i will either purchase or think about purchasing and most-definitely see you live. drop some doodoo and demand fan-loyalty and compensation? u can go fuck urself. musicians don't have a monopoly on self-righteous pay-me-just-becos-i-do-art douchebaggery. if we wanna take a chance on ur shit, we will. but nowadays...we have OPTIONS, and that's pissing ppl off. i think more than anything it's the fact consumers have some power in the way things work now.

i feel like, ok everyone rails against labels and SUITS for turning music into a business devoid of passion or originality or any of that touchy-feely shit we associate with so-called "real" music. but im fuckn sick of artists who are clinging to the same old system the suits enforce when they say shit like this. the game's changed forever dude, we hear ur shit whether u like it or not. and the only way i can see it benefiting artists, is if their shit don't STINK. the onus is on artists to deliver, otherwise WHY the fuck would anyone drop some cash on it? unless ur an artist/group with a huge fanbase (commercial or underground) with ppl ready n willing to spend on whatever new product thats available (due to a good rep that's usually built up over time due to constant release of GOOD MUSIC). but even then, we'll still be downloading becos u just never fucking know anymore what's gonna move u and what's not. if we got that luxury as (cash-strapped) consumers, why wouldn't we take it? and if ur an artist who's worried bout making ends meet? GET A SECOND JOB. holy shit, we're not automatically programmed to support all ur asses.

"taking a chance" on something doesn't cut it anymore. i used to take plenty of chances that cost me $30-$35 a pop. now it's been almost 3yrs since i last bought a physical album on CD cos i got duped too many times (HOW many times have u heard this line or something similar to it? cos it's the fucking truth, not some whiny excuse: TROOF).

i mean isn't it time this debate EVOLVED a little? are artists just scared that consumers are gonna freely obtain their shit without blindly buying off the strength of one or two good singles all the time? and what about indy artists re-iterating the same tired industry shit about consumers = evil & musicians = entitled? how the fuck does that compute in an indy setting? are we sposed to buy out of sympathy? lol. i mean cmon. no artist out there is ENTITLED to ur money. CONSUMERS, on the other hand, are entitled to NOT PAY FOR SHITTY MUSIC.

thoughts?

V.

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hey artistes: we WILL d/load ur shit. n if it SUX? we ain't buyin [View all] , araQual, Fri Feb-25-11 09:34 PM
 
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but you are ENTITLED to download their work for free, right?
Feb 25th 2011
1
nope, i never said we're entitled to d/l it for free
Feb 25th 2011
2
      Why are we entitled not to pay for shitty music though?
Feb 25th 2011
3
           I'm so sick of this whole fuckin' thing man, seriously...
Feb 25th 2011
6
           lol it's not the consumer's fault it costs money tho, is it?
Feb 25th 2011
8
                at what point do YOU grow up
Feb 25th 2011
12
                I mean, seriously: WTF kinda logic is that?
Feb 25th 2011
15
                0_0...HOW does that relate to the consumption of music, sir?
Feb 25th 2011
17
                It's not a dumb analogy at all. it is in fact quite apt.
Feb 25th 2011
18
                     im usually adept at analogies but this one seems a stretch
Feb 25th 2011
19
                          oh ? Shall I explain it then?
Feb 25th 2011
21
                               *sigh* Thank you, 'KAP.
Feb 28th 2011
202
                it costs money to start a business, but if you're not providing
Feb 27th 2011
178
                     False analogy.
Feb 27th 2011
190
                          they weren't meant to be exact.. it's the principle. which is
Feb 27th 2011
191
                               Problem is: 'quality' is objective.
Feb 27th 2011
192
                u guys keep pulling out this "entitlement" thing
Feb 25th 2011
16
                     and I already cleared that point up for you.
Feb 25th 2011
20
                          but i never claimed the d/loading itself as an entitlement
Feb 26th 2011
26
                               You didn't explicitly call it an entitlement.
Feb 26th 2011
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                you should know better than anybody how this shit goes...
Feb 25th 2011
14
                     RE: you should know better than anybody how this shit goes...
Feb 25th 2011
22
                          The point you continue to miss is:
Feb 26th 2011
24
                          and how long do you think that would last?
Feb 26th 2011
33
           hmm i spose im just sick of the whole structure of the system
Feb 25th 2011
7
                RE: hmm i spose im just sick of the whole structure of the system
Feb 25th 2011
11
see, HERE'S the shit that irks me about that argument though...
Feb 25th 2011
4
*Cliff Huxtable*
Feb 25th 2011
5
RE: *Cliff Huxtable*
Feb 27th 2011
174
^^where I'm at with this.
Feb 25th 2011
13
Jokers love that ''live show/buy a t-shirt'' line
Feb 25th 2011
23
I notice Qual still ain't answer this question.
Feb 26th 2011
25
im getting to it ya wordy mofos
Feb 26th 2011
27
      oh so you admit that you don't buy albums.
Feb 26th 2011
29
           admit? i stated it in my original post, dingus:
Feb 26th 2011
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                you keep on talking about 'obliged'
Feb 26th 2011
31
                I said the SAME thing up top....
Feb 26th 2011
34
                yep... that shit is just damaging to art in the long run
Feb 26th 2011
37
                     if by "probably" you mean "Sure as Shit"....
Feb 26th 2011
40
                     riiight...cept i've been doing it for years
Feb 26th 2011
41
                          ok, well without being snide, let me ask you something...
Feb 26th 2011
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                               furthermore...
Feb 26th 2011
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                               RE: furthermore...
Feb 26th 2011
46
                               well i guess my experience with it stops at a point
Feb 26th 2011
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                                    I think this is the point of contention:
Feb 26th 2011
47
                                         son....
Feb 26th 2011
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                is it sunday already?
Feb 26th 2011
53
                You keep saying "duped"....
Feb 27th 2011
176
its even better when ppl say, i loved ur last album....
Feb 26th 2011
64
      u have merch for sale be happy people even buy that shit!!
Feb 26th 2011
66
           are you being serious or sarcastic?
Feb 26th 2011
67
           i am dead ass.
Feb 26th 2011
78
                then i think your point is moot unless u feel the same abt...
Feb 26th 2011
79
                     i dont even understand what ur talking about
Feb 26th 2011
81
                     nike puts a logo on their shoes
Feb 26th 2011
153
                          ^^REALNESS^^
Feb 26th 2011
155
                          *thunderous applause*
Feb 26th 2011
156
                          RE: nike puts a logo on their shoes
Feb 26th 2011
161
                          id argue that you are absolutely wrong about that
Feb 26th 2011
166
                               RE: id argue that you are absolutely wrong about that
Feb 26th 2011
168
                          The shirt is not bootleg tho!!!
Feb 26th 2011
173
                               *cough*
Feb 27th 2011
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                                    i dont wanna fight with you dude
Feb 27th 2011
186
                     no offense, but is the guy/girl who designed the de la soul...
Feb 26th 2011
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                          if you dont understand that thats a different issue than we ...
Feb 26th 2011
147
                               i don't understand how it's a different issue n/m
Feb 26th 2011
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                                    sorry
Feb 26th 2011
160
                                         don't worry ima buy the album next week
Feb 26th 2011
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                                              not quite sure
Feb 26th 2011
165
                                                   RE: not quite sure
Feb 26th 2011
167
                                                        i agree and get all that
Feb 26th 2011
169
                                                             specifically its a fuck you to artists whose music sucks
Feb 26th 2011
171
           I can't speak for him, but your argument kinda went wrong here:
Feb 26th 2011
102
                but no ones buying a shirt if he doesn't put out dope music
Feb 26th 2011
107
                so, the 12 yr olds buying Pink Floyd shirts @ Target are PF fans?
Feb 26th 2011
113
                     my bad i didnt know haji was in pink floyd
Feb 26th 2011
119
                     I'm speaking in general terms. You know that...
Feb 26th 2011
135
                          of course selling a sock isnt selling a shirt but should a
Feb 28th 2011
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                     to quote you: HORRIBLE analogy n/m
Feb 26th 2011
                          okay... I SHOULD've said this:
Feb 26th 2011
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                               they very well might be
Feb 26th 2011
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                Mybad for not replying to this first i am on my phone
Feb 26th 2011
125
                     but at the end of it all: ARE THEY BUYING HIS MUSIC?
Feb 26th 2011
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                          no but they bought other products SOLELY BECAUSE HE MAKES...
Feb 26th 2011
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                               period.
Feb 28th 2011
209
ok, well i HAVE bought albums months later.. even a year
Feb 27th 2011
180
I said I wasn't gonna let it bug me, but fuck it...here goes.
Feb 25th 2011
9
lol before i retort, NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK ON U
Feb 25th 2011
10
      nah, it's all good. In-Depth Music Discussion, my man...
Feb 26th 2011
36
btw I apologize if I've come off particularly strident in here
Feb 26th 2011
32
ye ye same here, it's all love right? lol
Feb 26th 2011
35
yeah... I've procrastinated enough for the night myself.
Feb 26th 2011
43
that's ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL I'm saying.
Feb 26th 2011
38
      LOL!
Feb 26th 2011
39
The Funny Part About All This Is The Stuff I Think Is Terrible Sells
Feb 26th 2011
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as a consumer, i'm always looking for the best price i can find
Feb 26th 2011
50
the reality and how ppl want it to be is 2 diff things
Feb 26th 2011
52
yup.
Feb 26th 2011
56
      interesting but....
Feb 26th 2011
58
           okay.
Feb 26th 2011
59
                agreed
Feb 26th 2011
142
I totally understand and even agree with that.
Feb 26th 2011
65
RE: I totally understand and even agree with that.
Feb 28th 2011
203
TRUTH
Feb 27th 2011
177
My 2 cents (AFKAP and Disco are going to be more annoyed)
Feb 26th 2011
51
This doesn't annoy me at all.
Feb 26th 2011
68
me too
Feb 26th 2011
69
I've long had this theory that modern fans actually hate musicians
Feb 26th 2011
73
      if its good... they might buy it for $10... if its GREAT!?
Feb 26th 2011
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      As much as people claim to feel music on a spiritual level
Feb 26th 2011
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           hahaha you just summarized my thoughts in 1 great sentence
Feb 26th 2011
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           instrumentals
Feb 26th 2011
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           Well that coud be cool for musicians and DJ
Feb 26th 2011
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           so now people want even MORE shit?
Feb 26th 2011
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           don't get me wrong : IT SHOULD BE ENOUGH
Feb 26th 2011
132
                so when did it BECOME not enough?
Feb 26th 2011
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                     since the music is available for free
Feb 26th 2011
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           I'll speak for myself.
Feb 26th 2011
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                Good idea for a compilation if you're trying to reach certain consumers
Feb 26th 2011
139
                     *avy*
Feb 26th 2011
143
           RE: As much as people claim to feel music on a spiritual level
Feb 26th 2011
93
                The CODIFICATION of economic systems is created by man
Feb 26th 2011
123
                     you and Marx have more in common than you may think, huh
Feb 26th 2011
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                          see, if I start exploring the economic imperatives here
Feb 26th 2011
134
                               should tell you something n/m
Feb 26th 2011
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      in a hip-hop context...you reap what you sow
Feb 26th 2011
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           It's bigger than hip-hop (c) DP
Feb 26th 2011
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RE: This doesn't annoy me at all.
Feb 26th 2011
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not what I'm talking about.
Feb 26th 2011
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      RE: not what I'm talking about.
Feb 26th 2011
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           Nope.
Feb 26th 2011
99
                so basically you're stuck
Feb 26th 2011
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                     okay... I see you have expended any logical rebuttal.
Feb 26th 2011
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                          not necessarily but i'm a consumer
Feb 26th 2011
118
RE: This doesn't annoy me at all.
Feb 26th 2011
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I have no problem with the majority of this.
Feb 26th 2011
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      RE: I have no problem with the majority of this.
Feb 26th 2011
120
           I'll do my best to explain...
Feb 26th 2011
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                *DING*
Feb 26th 2011
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                RE: I'll do my best to explain...
Feb 26th 2011
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                     RE: I'll do my best to explain...
Feb 26th 2011
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buy indie, steal corporate
Feb 26th 2011
54
well...yeah
Feb 26th 2011
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my thoughts
Feb 26th 2011
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the part abt "not stealing" is a cop out tho
Feb 26th 2011
62
No it's not.
Feb 26th 2011
100
that's a HORRIBLE analogy.
Feb 26th 2011
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      No it's not.
Feb 26th 2011
131
           that's the same shit I just said...
Feb 26th 2011
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                RE: that's the same shit I just said...
Feb 26th 2011
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bingo.
Feb 26th 2011
114
RE: my thoughts
Feb 28th 2011
204
afkap/disco dj/et al...you're just not living in reality
Feb 26th 2011
60
you feel like explaining why or is just saying that conclusive?
Feb 26th 2011
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downloading/illegal donwloading is reality
Feb 26th 2011
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      yeah, I see that you haven't even read my posts
Feb 26th 2011
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           artists owe nothing to fans
Feb 26th 2011
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                If you are consuming someone's products
Feb 26th 2011
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                     yeah, you don't get reality
Feb 26th 2011
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                          uhhh... what have I BEEN saying here?
Feb 26th 2011
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                               the problem is you're passing blanket judgments on all "fans"
Feb 26th 2011
111
                                    Yeah, make it about me.
Feb 26th 2011
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                                         i am addressing the issues, sorry if you missed that n/m
Feb 26th 2011
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this makes no sense.
Feb 26th 2011
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      irony
Feb 26th 2011
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           are we gonna play "The Lesson Game" or are we gonna talk music?
Feb 26th 2011
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                homie, this is EXACTLY what you did in your response
Feb 26th 2011
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                     you're right. I'm an asshole.
Feb 26th 2011
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                          yeah, so am i
Feb 26th 2011
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btw... i hate your post
Feb 26th 2011
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lol so do i
Feb 26th 2011
70
and ANOTHER fucking thing: the hypocrisy of music fans.
Feb 26th 2011
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we all know what blankets did to the natives.
Feb 26th 2011
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If it fits, wear it.
Feb 26th 2011
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      it dont fit me just felt like saying something clever
Feb 26th 2011
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we can end it all with this.
Feb 26th 2011
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you are making so many judgements and assumptions that...
Feb 26th 2011
101
but one can try...
Feb 26th 2011
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It's like you are TRYING to keep missing my point.
Feb 26th 2011
124
      you should just cut-n-paste...
Feb 26th 2011
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      maybe you're doing a poor job at it?
Feb 26th 2011
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           Again: NOPE! to all of the below.
Feb 26th 2011
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                ill take the last word then
Feb 26th 2011
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You're flailing.
Feb 26th 2011
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      dude... seriously. I am tired of explaining myself
Feb 26th 2011
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           Yes!!!!!!!!!
Feb 26th 2011
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                fair enough.
Feb 26th 2011
152
                     Just want to clarify myself here.....
Feb 26th 2011
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                          #kaboom.
Feb 27th 2011
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I actually do the "pay for it if it's dope" thing.
Feb 26th 2011
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and this post is great i don't know why yall hate it.
Feb 27th 2011
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and like I said before...
Feb 27th 2011
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but why the fuck would i care about that as an artist when i have
Feb 27th 2011
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RE: and this post is great i don't know why yall hate it.
Feb 27th 2011
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      lol if my idea was just sellig tshirts it wouldnt be something im
Feb 27th 2011
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           Well good....
Feb 27th 2011
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                see that's the type of shit i'm talking about.
Feb 27th 2011
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                     T-Shirts are a must....
Feb 28th 2011
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                          i hear you. the only thing with that is quality tshirts are not cheap
Feb 28th 2011
211
How the fuck did this thread get 180 replies?
Feb 27th 2011
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or you could just skip over the thread *shrug*
Feb 28th 2011
205
what hurts the artist is not knowing how many are downloading...
Feb 27th 2011
187
Good question...
Feb 27th 2011
188
That Depends On What You Want, Listeners Or Supporters
Feb 27th 2011
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I do download, but I reserve it for...
Feb 27th 2011
194
chuuuuuurch
Feb 27th 2011
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this post
Feb 27th 2011
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RE: this post
Feb 27th 2011
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      RE: this post
Feb 27th 2011
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           wild wild yall
Feb 27th 2011
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just admit we want music (or films) for free
Feb 28th 2011
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^^^
Feb 28th 2011
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      many people have admitted that already
Feb 28th 2011
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           that was never my point, though.
Feb 28th 2011
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                not really arguing with particular people about particular points
Feb 28th 2011
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lol @ all that anger then....thoughts?
Feb 28th 2011
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I wish I could buy music but I work 2 hours a day
Feb 28th 2011
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digital downloads are worth NOTHING....
Feb 28th 2011
217
Question: When Will Labels Stop Leaking Their Artist's Albums?
Mar 04th 2011
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